ICBM
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Post by ICBM on Mar 6, 2016 11:28:39 GMT -5
Sooo....is this HHH's doing? Developmental/performance center, wrestling centric vs entertainment centric, different approach completely than WWE creative usually goes for. I don't keep up very much but I think I remember him being the HMFIC of the performance center (is it development center or performance center I forget?) I'd assume so since he was doing all the interviews for it when the news broke. So does the IWC at large give him a pat on the back? Or do old hurts un-do his effort?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 6, 2016 11:31:45 GMT -5
I'd assume so since he was doing all the interviews for it when the news broke. So does the IWC at large give him a pat on the back? Or do old hurts un-do his effort? I don't know how much more of that can be erased that hasn't already been done so by his figurehead role in NXT. At the very least there's this weird separation of "main roster Triple H" who still hogs the spotlight by being a featured character on TV and "corporate Triple H" who is making an honest go at building for the future and seems more progressive and flexible than Vince.
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Post by jakes on Mar 6, 2016 19:18:16 GMT -5
I haven't gone through every page, so if this has been answered already in sorry. Who from Mexico are they going to work with on this? If New Japan works with CMLL and Lucha Underground works with AAA does that mean that they will get shut out? I don't think this would be much of an issue. I've always gotten the impression that when it comes to Mexico WWE's mentality seemed to be to poach talent on their own, rather than working with other companies. There a lot of wrestlers who work independently outside of AAA and CMLL as well. I'm mostly wondering what they will do for Japanese talent given that New Japan will be working with most of the top companies in Japan for the Super Juniors tournoment.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 6, 2016 22:59:19 GMT -5
How many people are actually missing out? They grant releases to talent that request them so they can work on their overall game/find that spark again, they run pretty regular house shows and workers are being used. If it's about someone like Alex Riley than maybe he should have the balls to request his release so that he can improve? They did the same thing to Sami Callihan & Juice Robinson who were overall much more important and prominent than Riley. What are you even talking about? WWE is aware that that the best talent is out on the indies, yet doesn't seem willing to do the leg work to make the inner workings of their company more like the indies and that really bugs me. Let me put it this way, The hypothetical wrestlers being brought in for this show would be wrestling on a WWE produced show AND on the indies, while many WWE talents would be wrestling ONLY on a WWE produced show. On the indies, every match is a potential main event, whereas in WWE, one's ability to have a "good" match seems to be directly correlated to one's spot on the pecking order or how bad WWE wants to make fetch happen with a guy. In addition to competing with themselves, contracted workers are now also competing with people who aren't even employed and even then really can't even do much to standout because even with Excessive TV and house shows, WWE are poor at time management and obsessed with getting their faves over at the expense of everything else. In regards to releases, one should not need to ask for a release if inversely one does not have to even be signed to wrestle on WWE programming. Okay, but let me ask this: How is this, at its core, not the exact same thing WWE has always done, going back decades, in their use of non-contracted local enhancement talent or dark match try-outs for potential signings? The only difference is that their presence is being hyped and marketed for a change. Otherwise, same concept.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 6, 2016 23:10:46 GMT -5
I'm mostly wondering what they will do for Japanese talent given that New Japan will be working with most of the top companies in Japan for the Super Juniors tournoment. Itami, Nakamura, and the long-awaited return of Jamie-San.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Mar 6, 2016 23:20:29 GMT -5
Nakamura's over the weight limit (he's billed at 229), so he's probably not in it.
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Crappler El 0 M
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Mar 6, 2016 23:24:54 GMT -5
As far as Japanese talent, Kota Ibushi is possible. Nak is reportedly recommending him and Ibushi indicated he'd be interested. Ibushi is now a freelancer. It will be hard to find a bigger name to represent Japan.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 7, 2016 8:44:24 GMT -5
I think you can forget about ever seeing Lyger ever again. New Japan probably wanted to start a business relation with WWE and WWE... stole Shinsuke Nakamura. I'd be pissed too. A couple of misconceptions here. Liger handles his own bookings outside of New Japan. So while he may be a NJPW contracted wrestler, what he does while not on New Japan's time is not. If he wants to make a return and it will not effect a NJPW booking, he can and will. Nakamura was not stolen by WWE. He was contacting them last year before re-signing his yearly NJPW contract about coming to the company. By the time WWE got word he was interested in joining WWE, he already signed it. So they waited until his contract this year before making the move. Same for Styles, Anderson, and Gallows. Okada was the person that WWE was making a hard sell towards and he's staying with New Japan. The current owner and bookers of New Japan are WWE fanboys. WWE rolled out the red carpet for them but there wasn't not going to be a working deal since WWE wants the whole pie not certain slices. New Japan turned themselves into WWE Nippon because of their love for WWE and trying to fight a war with WWE. And history shown that those who go to war with WWE tend to not be the same after tangling with them.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 7, 2016 8:47:15 GMT -5
As far as Japanese talent, Kota Ibushi is possible. Nak is reportedly recommending him and Ibushi indicated he'd be interested. Ibushi is now a freelancer. It will be hard to find a bigger name to represent Japan. Ibushi let it be known in an interview that he wants to wrestle the same place as Nakamura and Generico so the possibility is strong.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 7, 2016 10:14:58 GMT -5
I think you can forget about ever seeing Lyger ever again. New Japan probably wanted to start a business relation with WWE and WWE... stole Shinsuke Nakamura. I'd be pissed too. A couple of misconceptions here. Liger handles his own bookings outside of New Japan. So while he may be a NJPW contracted wrestler, what he does while not on New Japan's time is not. If he wants to make a return and it will not effect a NJPW booking, he can and will. Nakamura was not stolen by WWE. He was contacting them last year before re-signing his yearly NJPW contract about coming to the company. By the time WWE got word he was interested in joining WWE, he already signed it. So they waited until his contract this year before making the move. Same for Styles, Anderson, and Gallows. Okada was the person that WWE was making a hard sell towards and he's staying with New Japan. The current owner and bookers of New Japan are WWE fanboys. WWE rolled out the red carpet for them but there wasn't not going to be a working deal since WWE wants the whole pie not certain slices. New Japan turned themselves into WWE Nippon because of their love for WWE and trying to fight a war with WWE. And history shown that those who go to war with WWE tend to not be the same after tangling with them. Cue HHH driving a tank to Korauken Hall.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Mar 7, 2016 10:43:32 GMT -5
A couple of misconceptions here. Liger handles his own bookings outside of New Japan. So while he may be a NJPW contracted wrestler, what he does while not on New Japan's time is not. If he wants to make a return and it will not effect a NJPW booking, he can and will. Nakamura was not stolen by WWE. He was contacting them last year before re-signing his yearly NJPW contract about coming to the company. By the time WWE got word he was interested in joining WWE, he already signed it. So they waited until his contract this year before making the move. Same for Styles, Anderson, and Gallows. Okada was the person that WWE was making a hard sell towards and he's staying with New Japan. The current owner and bookers of New Japan are WWE fanboys. WWE rolled out the red carpet for them but there wasn't not going to be a working deal since WWE wants the whole pie not certain slices. New Japan turned themselves into WWE Nippon because of their love for WWE and trying to fight a war with WWE. And history shown that those who go to war with WWE tend to not be the same after tangling with them. Cue HHH driving a tank to Korauken Hall. The video will show that it's actually an old Chrysler Lebaron with X-Pac and Road Dogg hanging out the windows brandishing AR-15s.
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Post by 543Y2J on Mar 19, 2016 17:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by moondoggie on Mar 19, 2016 17:49:22 GMT -5
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 19, 2016 19:05:27 GMT -5
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Post by Error on Mar 19, 2016 19:49:54 GMT -5
I hope they make it to the Network. I guess this will end like Breaking (Proving?) Ground but more scripted.
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Post by Johnny on Mar 19, 2016 19:53:29 GMT -5
Wow. This just got (more) real interesting
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Post by Steveweiser on Mar 19, 2016 20:23:13 GMT -5
And these are only the United States qualifying matches - I wonder who gets the European ones. PROGRESS or Revolution Pro?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 20, 2016 8:54:49 GMT -5
So potential EVOLVE names...
Tony Nese Caleb Konley Drew Gulak Zack Sabre Jr Tracy Williams Matt Riddle Johnny Gargano TJ Perkins Potentially Sammi Callihan
and if they are under 220/WWE want to make exceptions Timothy Thatcher Tommaso Chiampa Tommy End Ethan Page
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Post by Fauxnaki on Mar 20, 2016 13:18:46 GMT -5
THE Brian Kendrick better be in it
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Post by marvelocity on Mar 20, 2016 14:53:23 GMT -5
THE Brian Kendrick better be in it I would love to see Paul London in it too. Where's he wrestling now?
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