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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 14, 2016 19:49:01 GMT -5
Which are the risks of the burning hammer? I'm never capable of watching correctly how the opponent lands you get dropped directly on the top of your head with basically no way to roll with the momentum, so your neck takes all of the impact. It should never have been allowed to exist. |
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Post by 2 time pro bowler Fred Dryer on Mar 14, 2016 20:08:55 GMT -5
Seriously. I have no idea why psychology went away. I don't understand this logic of "people know it's fake, so we have to convince it's not by doing insane things that hurt ourselves and shorten our lives" rather then just going with "people know it's predetermined, let's do what's worked for years" As Jim Cornette put it: "The business went from being 2 guys pretending to beat the shit out of each other, with the fans thinking it was legit, to 2 guys ACTUALLY beating the shit out of each other, and nobody caring because they think it's fake.. Who are the marks in this situation?" |
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Mar 14, 2016 20:12:38 GMT -5
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Post by radiantsilvergun on Mar 14, 2016 20:17:17 GMT -5
It's a shitty situation because guys have to do more and more to get noticed/get crowd reactions so you'll have guys constantly diving out of the ring or doing flying headbutts and you combine the fact that a lot of these guys have injuries and shit from before they got signed to WWE as well. It's a massive problem based on "can you top this?" that I mostly blame on AJPW, NOAH and Dragon Gate for escalating. A finisher no longer being a finisher in japan seems to mean "let's do 4 false finishes with it a match", so the wrestlers invent versions that drop the victim right on the head like the Emerald Flowsion Kai and the Tiger Driver 91. And then the Burning Hammer was invented.... PWG changed the game over in America too. So entertaining but there's always that lingering feeling while you watch where you just think "what will happen to these peoples health" |
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Post by molson5 on Mar 14, 2016 20:25:31 GMT -5
Seriously. I have no idea why psychology went away. I don't understand this logic of "people know it's fake, so we have to convince it's not by doing insane things that hurt ourselves and shorten our lives" rather then just going with "people know it's predetermined, let's do what's worked for years" I always hated when people would brag about the injuries wrestlers suffered as some kind of proof that wrestling "isn't fake." Wrestling isn't any less fake or scripted just because some wrestlers think it's cool to get injured. |
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Post by chazraps on Mar 14, 2016 20:27:56 GMT -5
It certainly is a tough thing to do. You want the guys to be safe but at the same if they do every possible thing to keep these guys completely safe, the in ring product would sadly be terrible as a result.There's absolutely no way that's true. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 14, 2016 21:04:39 GMT -5
It's a massive problem based on "can you top this?" that I mostly blame on AJPW, NOAH and Dragon Gate for escalating. A finisher no longer being a finisher in japan seems to mean "let's do 4 false finishes with it a match", so the wrestlers invent versions that drop the victim right on the head like the Emerald Flowsion Kai and the Tiger Driver 91. And then the Burning Hammer was invented.... PWG changed the game over in America too. So entertaining but there's always that lingering feeling while you watch where you just think "what will happen to these peoples health" Before SD retired, I was half expecting a Psycho Driver V that made the Ganso Bomb look safe |
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Mar 14, 2016 21:05:57 GMT -5
Which are the risks of the burning hammer? I'm never capable of watching correctly how the opponent lands Getting dropped directly on your neck. If I remember correctly Misawa always had trouble walking for a few days after taking it and got a stinger from it. WTF, the AJPW/NOAH really went overboard with the moves after all the shit that they pulled. I still rememeber that Kawada Driver that was kicked at 2 |
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Post by 111111 on Mar 14, 2016 22:29:50 GMT -5
Seriously. I have no idea why psychology went away. I don't understand this logic of "people know it's fake, so we have to convince it's not by doing insane things that hurt ourselves and shorten our lives" rather then just going with "people know it's predetermined, let's do what's worked for years" I think video games play a part in this as well. This is the first generation of wrestlers who grew up with games like no mercy instead of the basic Arcade games that barely resembled wrestling of days gone past. Most guys have these insane movesets like they would have assigned to their CAW, kicking out of finishers and spamming finishers is also a game thing. And of course in a wrestling video game there's no storytelling during the match. |
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Post by Tom S on Mar 14, 2016 22:33:52 GMT -5
Watch Jerry lawler vs the miz, the 109 year old Jerry does about 2 moves and the crowd are electric
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 22:35:41 GMT -5
Seriously. I have no idea why psychology went away. I don't understand this logic of "people know it's fake, so we have to convince it's not by doing insane things that hurt ourselves and shorten our lives" rather then just going with "people know it's predetermined, let's do what's worked for years" I think video games play a part in this as well. This is the first generation of wrestlers who grew up with games like no mercy instead of the basic Arcade games that barely resembled wrestling of days gone past. Most guys have these insane movesets like they would have assigned to their CAW, kicking out of finishers and spamming finishers is also a game thing. And of course in a wrestling video game there's no storytelling during the match. Was moveset even a term before the newer video games with customizable moves? I had never heard it at all until I started going on message boards. |
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 14, 2016 22:38:07 GMT -5
Wow, you know it's bad when even the Facebook comments are saying how dumb this is that they did that spot with so little spotlight. |
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Post by Ringmaster on Mar 14, 2016 22:59:50 GMT -5
(Not wwe related) Point in case; Stupid shit like this: Stupid |
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Post by britishbulldog on Mar 14, 2016 23:20:37 GMT -5
(Not wwe related) Point in case; Stupid shit like this: StupidWtf I don't have words. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 14, 2016 23:40:47 GMT -5
I think I broke my neck just looking at that. Ew.
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Post by Brainbustaaah! on Mar 15, 2016 4:21:44 GMT -5
I felt my stomach turn watching that clip and looking at Regal's neck. Thou shalt not compress the vertebrae, and that's damned well why.
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Post by bearned on Mar 15, 2016 4:29:58 GMT -5
(Not wwe related) Point in case; Stupid shit like this: StupidThat is insane. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 5:37:11 GMT -5
I think the whole 'let's do dangerous s*** for real because it's so cool' late 90s/early 2000s movement doesn't get anywhere near the criticism it deserves. Regal wasn't part of that, he emerged in a relatively 'safe' environment and still look what state he's in now.
There must be dozens, maybe hundreds of 40-somethings out there now who don't have a can of beans to their name who live in constant agony because of the bumps they took to please fans/promoters who demanded 'extreme' physical risk every time they walked through the curtain.
Yet that type of wrestling to this day is lionised.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 15, 2016 8:05:38 GMT -5
Watch Jerry lawler vs the miz, the 109 year old Jerry does about 2 moves and the crowd are electric The WWE can really benefit for having Lawler(and Roberts) teaching about psychology at the PC. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 15, 2016 8:22:09 GMT -5
(Not wwe related) Point in case; Stupid shit like this: StupidUgh. Yeah, the insane suplexes need to be a thing of the past. I'm fine with Brock throwing them out since the word is that he's fairly safe, and I love German suplexes that bridge into a pin, but I can live with never seeing a Dragon or half nelson suplex ever again. Also no disrespect to Kobashi but f*** the Burning Hammer. |
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