Professor Chaos
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Jun 29, 2016 20:46:47 GMT -5
Because Fuller didn't go easy on the Pepsi.
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Sephiroth
Wade Wilson
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 29, 2016 21:17:18 GMT -5
Because he has some legit grievances that still haven't been resolved-and he's also got a massive ego which makes him think he is above anyone else having a grievance with him. "I treated a fan like dirt and they got offended? HOW DARE THEY, DON'T THEY KNOW WHO I AM?"
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Post by corndog on Jun 29, 2016 21:47:59 GMT -5
Correct on the question, this led to Punk saying that wrestlers were "indentured servants", not bitter comparing wrestlers to the closest thing to slavery? He then said he was offered a low ball figure, being paid next to nothing. $2 million dollars a year is next to nothing? That's not insulting to working class people and pretty much everyone that isn't very wealthy. He said he had to pay for travel and hotels, even though the bus was provided to him. Basically he could have just said, I was burnt out from the travel and arguing with my bosses, it was time to go. He definitely went further to than he needed. Speaking of complete misrepresentations, Cowherd did not say that at all, Punk did. More or less summing it up, but using Cowherd's actual words, Cowherd said that Punk became a success in wrestling from being his own man and that the WWE tried to make him a puppet. Punk then said that many people felt he was a jerk. That fans would say he was either nice or a jerk to them and that the fans that he was a jerk to probably had it coming. He actually isn't even asked about the fans when he made this comment. I admitted in my OP for ending the interview early. I turned it off right around the point where Colin starts saying that UFC fans should embrace Punk. I had to go to work and after those first few minutes, I didn't feel I needed to see anymore. I will admit as the interview went on, he did come off as less bitter, especially when talking UFC. I can't say I have any problem with the way he answered the questions from that point forward. As far as fans being more salty about Punk than his about WWE, you might be right. But here's how I see it. Punk doesn't ever say anything good about WWE(the company, not the talent), at least from what I have heard and feel free to prove me wrong. Even Bret at his most bitter points would say how he appreciated everything the WWE did for him and enjoyed working there, but he hated the way it ended. The thing is Punk wouldn't be on a UFC ppv if it wasn't for his time in WWE. Hell, Punk wouldn't even have made it into the company at all. His opponent wouldn't even be there at this point in his career. So yeah, why wouldn't Cowherd ask about it? It just seems like one, Punk doesn't appreciate his fans, and two, we know it ended shitty, but he doesn't seem at all appreciative of his entire WWE run. I think even the biggest CM Punk fan, can't say the WWE didn't give him anything. I actually was a big fan of his work and loved him in the WWE. But the dude's a dick and so much that it's hard to justify(but people are trying) and impossible to deny. Maybe it's also the fact that he isn't entertaining us in WWE to help us overlook his less desirable attributes. Then again, who knows, maybe I'm being worked. Coming off as an unappreciative, self-centered, undeserving prick is a good way to get people to pay to see you get your ass kicked. Plus the way he's coming in doesn't have UFC traditionalists on his side, and now he's just burning the wrestling fans by saying they deserved to get treated poorly. He always was a pretty good heel. I think people are just blowing Punk's "bitterness" way out of proportion at this point. He was talking about wrestling in general AND WWE in terms of how the conditions aren't great for the most part for wrestlers (which is pretty much true by all accounts). Heck, Punk even said in the interview, "I don't regret re-signing in 2011" and didn't even go into detail about why he left, he just said, "Things unfolded the way they did." Also, when the interviewer asked him that question that ended with, "And wrestling tried to make you their puppet!" He was basically tee-ing Punk up for a big anti-WWE rant, but Punk didn't even take the bait. He just basically said, "I've always been perceived as a jerk" or whatever. For all the "Why is Punk so bitter?" talk, he did his best to actually side step any questions about WWE during the interview. I think if people want to spin it so it makes Punk seem ungrateful, then you can do that with pretty much anyone, but trying to say that Punk claiming $2MM is a low ball figure is an insult to working class people - that's just silly. Does every actor, musician, etc who negotiates for more money insult working class people when they do that? No, they're just trying to get paid comparable to the revenue they bring their company. The main thing about the money being insulting is because he said he was making "basically nothing" when he made $2 million a year. If an actor, musician or athlete wants more money that is their business, when they say ridiculous things like "I can't feed my family" making millions of dollars, it's insulting to people making closer to the average wage. Oddly enough when Cowherd was trying to wind Punk up about the WWE, he got more wound up about the fans and he made the quote that really bothered me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 22:00:40 GMT -5
I think people are just blowing Punk's "bitterness" way out of proportion at this point. He was talking about wrestling in general AND WWE in terms of how the conditions aren't great for the most part for wrestlers (which is pretty much true by all accounts). Heck, Punk even said in the interview, "I don't regret re-signing in 2011" and didn't even go into detail about why he left, he just said, "Things unfolded the way they did." Also, when the interviewer asked him that question that ended with, "And wrestling tried to make you their puppet!" He was basically tee-ing Punk up for a big anti-WWE rant, but Punk didn't even take the bait. He just basically said, "I've always been perceived as a jerk" or whatever. For all the "Why is Punk so bitter?" talk, he did his best to actually side step any questions about WWE during the interview. I think if people want to spin it so it makes Punk seem ungrateful, then you can do that with pretty much anyone, but trying to say that Punk claiming $2MM is a low ball figure is an insult to working class people - that's just silly. Does every actor, musician, etc who negotiates for more money insult working class people when they do that? No, they're just trying to get paid comparable to the revenue they bring their company. The main thing about the money being insulting is because he said he was making "basically nothing" when he made $2 million a year. If an actor, musician or athlete wants more money that is their business, when they say ridiculous things like "I can't feed my family" making millions of dollars, it's insulting to people making closer to the average wage. Oddly enough when Cowherd was trying to wind Punk up about the WWE, he got more wound up about the fans and he made the quote that really bothered me. I believe he said they tried to low ball him, which is the case for most companies in general trying to get the most out of their employees for the lowest amount possible. I don't remember him saying "I couldn't feed my family" or "practically nothing," but if you can find it in the video, let me know. Regarding the quote about the fans, he just said some people think he's a jerk, some think he's an angel. Again, if you really want to hate the guy, there's probably much better interviews to pick from where he said douchier stuff, but this one has little fodder for ya. He didn't come off bitter or insulting, he was just doing normal, boring press stuff for UFC. But if spinning it to make your hatred of him feel more justified makes you feel good, by all means, I'll leave you alone.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 29, 2016 22:39:12 GMT -5
Ok, what's the point of this thread? Corndog, you literally liked a post that simply said "He is a horrible person." So what's the agenda, here? Do you know the guy and feel comfortable making a judgment like that? Seriously, this is the type of stuff we try not to encourage, it's not healthy for discussion.
Beyond that, I'll be thrilled if I never read the word "bitter" used in association with a former wrestler again. Why was Bret Hart "bitter"? Because he was lied to by a man he viewed as a father figure who was also in charge when his little brother died on the job, and then to cap it off he had his career ended in a freak accident while working in a company that killed off a lot of his drawing power. Why is CM Punk "bitter"? Go listen to the Cabana podcast again.
But all along, all these years, people keep yelling "bitter, he's bitter!", all the while spending a bunch of time online shit-talking the WWE without ever having worked there, and constantly citing as evidence of this "bitterness" interviews where people like Bret or Punk get asked direct questions about things that happened in their time in WWE...and they answer them.
At this stage, is it not a higher sign of "bitterness" to constantly follow these guys around and find ammunition to be angry at them for not being in a certain company, or in the wrestling industry at all? By most accounts, Punk doesn't seem particularly bitter in his normal life: he's happily married, goes to as many baseball and hockey games as he wants, has plenty of money saved up, gets to appear on shows and podcasts about things he likes (Walking Dead, etc.) and he's even gotten to write stories for Marvel comics, a pretty big deal for a guy who used "It's Clobberin' Time" as a rallying cry before matches. But if you ask him about his time in WWE, he'll tell you a lot of it sucked. So? It's his experiences, his feelings, and his life, who cares?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 23:09:14 GMT -5
As long as WWE keeps up the facade of their employees as "independent contractors", I will always be on the side of the talent in these matters.
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Post by MentalMidget on Jun 29, 2016 23:18:01 GMT -5
As a Cubs fan, this made me laugh. Because he is a Cubs fan.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 30, 2016 2:41:48 GMT -5
You would be if a doctor almost killed you and you got fired on your wedding day I'll give him the health stuff, but Did he really "get fired on his wedding day", or did that just happen to coincidentally be the day his contract was up; I don't really think it's much to complain about considering he was already long out the door.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Jun 30, 2016 3:10:17 GMT -5
He's not bitter, HE'S A QUITTER!
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Cranjis McBasketball
Crow T. Robot
Knew what the hell that thing was supposed to be
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 30, 2016 3:49:50 GMT -5
I'm choosing to pick on him for complaining the schedule only allowed him to be home once a day.
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Post by cool on Jun 30, 2016 6:38:21 GMT -5
You would be if a doctor almost killed you and you got fired on your wedding day I'll give him the health stuff, but Did he really "get fired on his wedding day", or did that just happen to coincidentally be the day his contract was up; I don't really think it's much to complain about considering he was already long out the door. Don't agree, Getting released on your wedding day isn't cool.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jun 30, 2016 6:47:54 GMT -5
Not blaming you, but if someone was a jerk to you the first two times you met them, why would you go out of your way to meet them four more times? I'm a people person and I thought I could change him. Reality the bulk of the times i met him in roh the buildings were hot as hell and most of the roster would be hanging outside to get some air and I'd meet Samoa Joe and he'd be a cool chill dude,I'd meet Bryan Danielson and he'd be super outgoing and friendly,Mark Briscoe was a crazy person and Punk was a dick and I remember Joe telling me That's just Punk.So whenever I saw him at shows I always wanted to see if he'd be semi decent to me.Had similar encounters with my favorite wrestler of all time Shawn Michaels in 95 thru 97 I met him 3 times he was a giant douche as was Scott Hall everytime I saw him.Everyone else I've ever met in my life except for Savio Vega has loved me to varying degrees. Sometimes in life, you run across people for one reason or another you just never like. Ever. I know there are people I truly don't like for no reason other than they irritate me. In Punk's case, that guy was you.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jun 30, 2016 6:51:01 GMT -5
Punk's anti-social personality is the reason why WWE were never going to make him the #1 guy. Whether people like Cena or not, he's friendly and approachable. I actually think there's something to your theory. Not saying I completely agree with it, but I certainly understand it from a PR point of view
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 30, 2016 7:22:02 GMT -5
Because he's a Straight Edge, Sociopathic, Atheist Jerk™ I like Punk but that shit was HILARIOUSLY awful, oh heavenly father.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 7:36:50 GMT -5
Did he really "get fired on his wedding day", or did that just happen to coincidentally be the day his contract was up Considering Vince essentially apologized for the timing of Punk's release when he was on Austin's podcast, I highly doubt it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 30, 2016 7:48:16 GMT -5
Did he really "get fired on his wedding day", or did that just happen to coincidentally be the day his contract was up Considering Vince essentially apologized for the timing of Punk's release when he was on Austin's podcast, I highly doubt it. Yeah, they sent him termination papers. If his contract had simply expired, there would not have been any contact between the parties unless WWE was attempting to re-sign him.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Jun 30, 2016 9:41:16 GMT -5
I've worked with a few people who I have heard horror stories about only to find they're pretty cool but they have certain boundaries that people like to trample on. The biggest one is that they are introverts who need downtime so they can be their 'outgoing' self when the time calls for it. Approaching these types of people when they're grabbing lunch, at the airport (which is already pretty f***ing trying to an introvert), or at the gym is going to result in a not great experience.
Punk has made it pretty damn clear when he wants to be approached so show some respect and let him be during those times.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 30, 2016 9:46:00 GMT -5
I also take issue with Punk asserting he was fired and didn't quit. He walked out. That's basically quitting. True, sending him the paperwork on his wedding day was wrong, but the termination papers seemed to be a formality. He was already gone and wasn't going back. He quit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 9:53:47 GMT -5
The ebb and flow of opinion when it comes to Punk is always interesting, he's not saying anything he didn't say before and at one time he was a folk hero and now he's a bitter old coot. I don't know why people get so caught up in whether or not these guys are people we could be friends with. Punk was a great wrestler, I was a fan of his work, I'm not too concerned over whether he's still upset at WWE or not, I don't know why that's really anyone's concern.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 30, 2016 10:30:51 GMT -5
I also take issue with Punk asserting he was fired and didn't quit. He walked out. That's basically quitting. True, sending him the paperwork on his wedding day was wrong, but the termination papers seemed to be a formality. He was already gone and wasn't going back. He quit. He worked all the dates he was required to by his contract and did not seek termination of his remaining commitments so he could go pursue outside ventures the way Cody has so he did not quit, he was absolutely fired by them as they sent termination papers rather than extending an olive branch and trying to work out a new deal. He was taking time off he was entitled to under the terms of the contract both parties agreed to and they terminated him, that's firing whether he intended to sign a new deal or not.
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