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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 30, 2016 11:59:05 GMT -5
Because his blood is 50% Quinine.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jun 30, 2016 12:06:41 GMT -5
I don't know when he got bitter, but love is surely better when it's goooooooooooone...
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Post by froggyfrog on Jun 30, 2016 14:04:42 GMT -5
Dude wants to be the guy but the guy doesn't get mad when people try to talk to them in public. CM Punk wasn't cut out to be the guy the way John Cena was. Punk frankly isn't up to it. It's no surprise he's bitter af he was never THE headliner he wanted to be. Frankly that's on him.
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Post by xCompackx on Jun 30, 2016 14:37:22 GMT -5
I don't know that I'd call Punk "bitter"; he's given plenty of valid complaints about how WWE is run since he left, a few of which were echoed by others as well. I think, if anything, the guy was just unhappy. I mean, he was working hurt, especially with the cyst on his back, and didn't like his creative direction; I'm sure most people would be unhappy in those circumstances. I'm not saying I entirely believe everything he claims when it comes to his departure as I'm still not convinced the whole "fired on his wedding day" wasn't a miscommunication or plain coincidence (also, it was months since he left at that point; he clearly wasn't coming back), but I can see why Punk doesn't talk positively about his WWE tenure.
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Post by JTG Fan on Jun 30, 2016 14:48:25 GMT -5
One of the biggest things that bugged me is how he always talked about "Oh, I can't go anywhere in Chicago now without being bothered, it's so awful. You should feel bad for me." But, like, he MADE himself Mr. Chicago. Nobody held a gun to his head and made him put the Chicago flag on his tights or go to all the Cubs/Blackhawks games and reference Chicago in promos and all of that stuff.
Basically he wants all the perks (fame, money, adulation) but none of the stuff that actually comes with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 15:00:56 GMT -5
fame is a funny thing.
I was just talking with someone about this the other day and it's strange to me that people expect more out of the entertainer/entertainee relationship than they do out of any other occupation.
Normal occupational transaction. Pay money - get service. Entertainment industry transaction. Pay money - get entertainment (but also, the entertainers free time is forfeit and every waking second of their personal life is subject to the whim of whether or not their fans are within visual range).
If I pay a plumber to snake my drain, I don't expect anything more than him to snake my drain.
If people pay for a ticket to a movie or a show, for some reason just seeing that show/movie isn't enough? They're also obligated to do their job, for free, in their down time?
Personally, I don't think any entertainer owes me or their fans anything more than to entertain them for the allotted time period I paid for. Beyond that - their time is their time and not owed to anyone who paid $20 for a t-shirt. They don't have to like me personally and I don't have to like them personally (within reason - obviously if they're like child murders or something that changes things) all they have to do is entertain me when I pay for it.
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Post by Paco on Jun 30, 2016 15:01:08 GMT -5
From the Swoggle YouShoot:
Reminds me of Jericho trying to contact him... Yes Punk, EVERYONE just wants to use you.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 30, 2016 15:21:30 GMT -5
fame is a funny thing. I was just talking with someone about this the other day and it's strange to me that people expect more out of the entertainer/entertainee relationship than they do out of any other occupation. Normal occupational transaction. Pay money - get service. Entertainment industry transaction. Pay money - get entertainment (but also, the entertainers free time is forfeit and every waking second of their personal life is subject to the whim of whether or not their fans are within visual range). If I pay a plumber to snake my drain, I don't expect anything more than him to snake my drain. If people pay for a ticket to a movie or a show, for some reason just seeing that show/movie isn't enough? They're also obligated to do their job, for free, in their down time? Personally, I don't think any entertainer owes me or their fans anything more than to entertain them for the allotted time period I paid for. Beyond that - their time is their time and not owed to anyone who paid $20 for a t-shirt. They don't have to like me personally and I don't have to like them personally (within reason - obviously if they're like child murders or something that changes things) all they have to do is entertain me when I pay for it. Man, if a plumber snakes my drain, he'd better take a selfie with me. I paid for his house.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Jun 30, 2016 15:22:12 GMT -5
fame is a funny thing. I was just talking with someone about this the other day and it's strange to me that people expect more out of the entertainer/entertainee relationship than they do out of any other occupation. Normal occupational transaction. Pay money - get service. Entertainment industry transaction. Pay money - get entertainment (but also, the entertainers free time is forfeit and every waking second of their personal life is subject to the whim of whether or not their fans are within visual range). If I pay a plumber to snake my drain, I don't expect anything more than him to snake my drain. If people pay for a ticket to a movie or a show, for some reason just seeing that show/movie isn't enough? They're also obligated to do their job, for free, in their down time? Personally, I don't think any entertainer owes me or their fans anything more than to entertain them for the allotted time period I paid for. Beyond that - their time is their time and not owed to anyone who paid $20 for a t-shirt. They don't have to like me personally and I don't have to like them personally (within reason - obviously if they're like child murders or something that changes things) all they have to do is entertain me when I pay for it. But he doesn't have to be a prick about it when asked for an autograph someplace. CM Punk is a piece of crap. And this is coming from someone who has never had an interaction with him but who has read countless of accounts of other people doing so. He has no class and doesn't know proper decorum.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 15:46:08 GMT -5
fame is a funny thing. I was just talking with someone about this the other day and it's strange to me that people expect more out of the entertainer/entertainee relationship than they do out of any other occupation. Normal occupational transaction. Pay money - get service. Entertainment industry transaction. Pay money - get entertainment (but also, the entertainers free time is forfeit and every waking second of their personal life is subject to the whim of whether or not their fans are within visual range). If I pay a plumber to snake my drain, I don't expect anything more than him to snake my drain. If people pay for a ticket to a movie or a show, for some reason just seeing that show/movie isn't enough? They're also obligated to do their job, for free, in their down time? Personally, I don't think any entertainer owes me or their fans anything more than to entertain them for the allotted time period I paid for. Beyond that - their time is their time and not owed to anyone who paid $20 for a t-shirt. They don't have to like me personally and I don't have to like them personally (within reason - obviously if they're like child murders or something that changes things) all they have to do is entertain me when I pay for it. But he doesn't have to be a prick about it when asked for an autograph someplace. CM Punk is a piece of crap. And this is coming from someone who has never had an interaction with him but who has read countless of accounts of other people doing so. He has no class and doesn't know proper decorum. So a guy you've never met and read only the negative, one-sided accounts from those who have is a piece of crap to you? Strange way to judge a guy's character, but to each their own. Not to mention there are probably a ton of stories about him being nice or obliging fans and its the outliers where he's rude that make the most headlines, but whatever. I mean if someone asked me to do my job, for free, during my personal off-the-clock time, every day, multiple times a day and acted like I was a jerk for not doing it? I can't say I wouldn't get a little snippy as well.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 30, 2016 15:48:50 GMT -5
I also take issue with Punk asserting he was fired and didn't quit. He walked out. That's basically quitting. True, sending him the paperwork on his wedding day was wrong, but the termination papers seemed to be a formality. He was already gone and wasn't going back. He quit. He worked all the dates he was required to by his contract and did not seek termination of his remaining commitments so he could go pursue outside ventures the way Cody has so he did not quit, he was absolutely fired by them as they sent termination papers rather than extending an olive branch and trying to work out a new deal. He was taking time off he was entitled to under the terms of the contract both parties agreed to and they terminated him, that's firing whether he intended to sign a new deal or not. In the Colt interview had he said "I fulfilled all my obligations then told them I was taking some time off before considering a return down the line" I might believe that. But he didn't. He left, came across as gleeful while doing it, and didn't seem to indicate any intention of being open to coming back, so I don't blame WWE not extending "olive branches" under those circumstances.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Jun 30, 2016 15:49:52 GMT -5
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Seems like some of you never had any for anything
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 15:51:39 GMT -5
Have you listened to the Colt Cabana podcast? I'd say it does a pretty good job setting it all out there. I do also wonder sometimes how much of it is an act. Bitter Punk gets more attention for his UFC fight, kind of thing. I didn't say anything back when he had the podcast, because criticism wasn't allowed, but looking back on it, I couldn't stand it because it was Punk starting out the interview by describing how he didn't want it to be a WWE hate-fest where he bitched about treatment he got in the company, and it morphed into a two-hour WWE hate-fest where he bitched about the treatment he got in the company. He did have legitimate gripes, of course (slapdash medical procedures as a result of TV demands damn near cost him his life), but that really turned me off of him and I decided that the dude was nothing more than a complete asshole. He complained about Hulk Hogan dissing him at the 15th Anniversary RAW episode, but in truth, Punk has morphed into a Hulk Hogan-type of person who isn't approachable, bullshits a lot, and all around is insufferable. I don't think that it is an act; that is the type of person he is. Personally, I want to see him get his ass kicked badly in UFC, for his own good. Maybe he wouldn't be so self centered and actually respect the fans that like him. Just because you get your clocked clean in UFC doesn't give you a heavy dose of humility. If anything, it can cause worse problems. Look at Ronda Rousey... a person I did take great joy in seeing losing (hell, I called the LAW because of it). When Holly Holm decimated her, logic would've stated that Rousey became a more humble person, but instead, Rousey's psyche was completely destroyed and we likely won't see her in that shape that made her popular ever again. In Punk's case, if Mickey Gall defeats him, he'll probably gripe about UFC, his trainers, and the fans, but won't admit that he probably lost due to the fact that he's a 39 year old man who's body was broken down due to years of extremely physical matches in the independent circuits.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 15:53:58 GMT -5
Passion Seems like some of you never had any for anything Don't really think this is the sort of place to measure someone's lack or abundance of passion. Though:
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jun 30, 2016 16:07:20 GMT -5
A lot of people in this thread care more about Punk leaving WWE than Punk himself does at this point.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 30, 2016 16:19:55 GMT -5
In the Colt interview had he said "I fulfilled all my obligations then told them I was taking some time off before considering a return down the line" I might believe that. But he didn't. He left, came across as gleeful while doing it, and didn't seem to indicate any intention of being open to coming back, so I don't blame WWE not extending "olive branches" under those circumstances. You're basing your opinion on Punk's tone in an interview after the WWE burned it's bridge with him by firing him on his wedding day, something Vince later apologised for, and using that as justification for doing so in the first place. It's basically saying 'That guy who was mistreated was rude about the person that mistreated him afterward so I guess they were right to mistreat him to begin with', I can understand not liking Punk, but you're doing some serious reaching to try and paint the WWE as right in their dealings with him.
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Post by Curt Hawkins Fan on Jun 30, 2016 16:24:12 GMT -5
fame is a funny thing. I was just talking with someone about this the other day and it's strange to me that people expect more out of the entertainer/entertainee relationship than they do out of any other occupation. Normal occupational transaction. Pay money - get service. Entertainment industry transaction. Pay money - get entertainment (but also, the entertainers free time is forfeit and every waking second of their personal life is subject to the whim of whether or not their fans are within visual range). If I pay a plumber to snake my drain, I don't expect anything more than him to snake my drain. If people pay for a ticket to a movie or a show, for some reason just seeing that show/movie isn't enough? They're also obligated to do their job, for free, in their down time? Personally, I don't think any entertainer owes me or their fans anything more than to entertain them for the allotted time period I paid for. Beyond that - their time is their time and not owed to anyone who paid $20 for a t-shirt. They don't have to like me personally and I don't have to like them personally (within reason - obviously if they're like child murders or something that changes things) all they have to do is entertain me when I pay for it. But he doesn't have to be a prick about it when asked for an autograph someplace. CM Punk is a piece of crap. And this is coming from someone who has never had an interaction with him but who has read countless of accounts of other people doing so. He has no class and doesn't know proper decorum. No class doesn't show proper decorum... This is pro wrestling dude. What in f***.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Jun 30, 2016 16:47:16 GMT -5
Passion Seems like some of you never had any for anything Beth phoenix posts here?
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Post by metylerca on Jun 30, 2016 17:02:07 GMT -5
I'm truly beginning to doubt Punk's bitterness judging from this thread.
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Post by corndog on Jun 30, 2016 17:02:14 GMT -5
fame is a funny thing. I was just talking with someone about this the other day and it's strange to me that people expect more out of the entertainer/entertainee relationship than they do out of any other occupation. Normal occupational transaction. Pay money - get service. Entertainment industry transaction. Pay money - get entertainment (but also, the entertainers free time is forfeit and every waking second of their personal life is subject to the whim of whether or not their fans are within visual range). If I pay a plumber to snake my drain, I don't expect anything more than him to snake my drain. If people pay for a ticket to a movie or a show, for some reason just seeing that show/movie isn't enough? They're also obligated to do their job, for free, in their down time? Personally, I don't think any entertainer owes me or their fans anything more than to entertain them for the allotted time period I paid for. Beyond that - their time is their time and not owed to anyone who paid $20 for a t-shirt. They don't have to like me personally and I don't have to like them personally (within reason - obviously if they're like child murders or something that changes things) all they have to do is entertain me when I pay for it. I completely understand what you are saying and I personally would hate being famous and always having fans bother me. It would really press my patience with people, which I already have very little. But they always say, fame has a price, and the price is your privacy. It may not always be fair, but it's part of the territory. At least in nowadays, your main concern is getting through the airport unnoticed and not fighting 27 people at a bar because they question your toughness and you have to defend the business. But then again, maybe Punk would have preferred those times. The main point of it all, is I just don't get why Punk was bothered by the fact that he wasn't "the guy" in the WWE. He said in the Cabana podcast, he was the Champion, but never "the top guy" and felt he deserved the chance. I know many may not agree with the WWE's corporate philosophies, but they are what they are. The top guy in the WWE isn't simply the best wrestler/performer, they represent the company. There are their main PR representative. They have to do a lot of charity work, PR, public appearances and at all times they are representing the company. All things Punk hated doing, just wanted to be a wrestler and wanted to enjoy he free time rather than work. Just watching Cena on Total Divas, people say he's always playing a character and being politically correct, that's because it's his job. He is on 100% of the time. A lot of people can't do that, hell most people can't do that. Punk certainly couldn't do that, because he's not that guy, it's not in his personality. He wears his emotions on his sleeves. The thing is Punk is a pretty smart guy and you would think he would realize this. I guess when it boils down to it, I was wrong about the bitter point, but I just see a lot of double standards with Punk and yes they bother me. The most recent one being his UFC stint. He had a problem with "part timers" taking his spot in WWE, but doesn't have a problem taking the spot on a UFC PPV of a much more deserving fighter. I get it, the game is making money and in a business sense what UFC and Punk are doing makes a lot of sense. But so did the Rock main eventing Wrestlemania.
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