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Post by Fade on Oct 24, 2016 1:22:26 GMT -5
I have to ask though. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Let's say Daryl didn't interfere and punch Negan. Would Negan have still kept his promise and not kill anyone else? Or would he have still killed Glenn for shits and giggles? Absolutely on Daryl. And they're going to have to incorporate it into his character development. Glenn is dead because of him. Anyway...it delivered. Absolutely. Watched that shit twice. I'm amazed such brutality can be shown on cable but damn if it didn't deliver. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 24, 2016 1:32:14 GMT -5
My review of the episode:
I have to say this The Walking Dead did its job in leaving a haunting impression. When you follow a show from its inception you do become attached to the characters and that's the sign of great acting, writing, and directing. There's a reason this show is so highly regarded and why it's in its seventh season and was renewed for an eighth.
For the longest time villains became too cool to hate. It's so refreshing to see a villain that is a piece of crap. Jeffrey Dean Morgan didn't act like a cool villain. He brilliantly played the scumbag psychopathic villain and seeing him portray it so beautifully was just a great breath of fresh air. For the first time, I really don't want them to follow the comics, I want Negan dead and like a lot of friends I wanted to jump through the screen and kill him myself. In my honest opinion that shows just how talented he is and how its a great show.
Everyone else brought their A game too. Andrew Lincoln, Lauren Cohan, Norman Reedus, Chandler Riggs, Steven Yeun, Michael Cudlitz, etc. Everyone was on point and I can tell this season is going to be just intense, dark, brutal, and emotional. We're in for a long, bumpy, and violent ride. It's going to get worst before it gets better.
In closing, I have to admit it's going to be weird, sad, and different not seeing those two characters anymore. However, the story is wide open, and this show wasn't and isn't meant to be one where there's a happy ending. It's called The Walking Dead for a reason and I am so looking forward in seeing where this story goes now.
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Post by Display Name on Oct 24, 2016 1:32:18 GMT -5
Well, that was a good, depressing as f*** episode. Hopefully they keep it going do I can call myself a fan of this show again. I had read the rumors/spoilers for awhile now, but seeing those shots were still brutal as f***.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 24, 2016 1:35:13 GMT -5
Reading some of the comments on Facebook are amusing me. A lot of "fans" are saying they're done with the show because they went too far with the violence. What were they expecting? It's cool seeing Hershel getting his throat slit and decapitated, Beth gets shot in the head, Nicholas body ripped to shreds while shielding Glenn, Noah torn apart, and yet seeing who Negan picked and killed is driving them away? Seriously though, both characters went out like a boss and didn't back down. I was honestly afraid that they were going chicken out again and have it be a minor character instead. I see a lot of those comments and even poor reviews saying they did not deliver. As a person who reads the comic when I read a spoiler last week on the deaths I could not wait to see it on screen. Idk what people could of wanted or expected as the landscape is now changed. This was their red wedding moment. It delivered for me on every aspect. The same ones who are complaining about the cliffhanger and how they should've shown what happened are now complaining about what was shown. I understand we're fans and some of us can be fickle, however, there's absolutely no pleasing some of them and for them to swear off of a show in this fashion is ridiculous. It's called The Walking Dead for a reason. This isn't Friends, Gilmour Girls, Dawson's Creek, Boy Meets World, etc where there's a silver lining and happy endings. This is a show about the worst of humanity in a zombie apocalyptic setting. What were they expecting? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 2:00:09 GMT -5
It took me hours to really process the whole thing and finally be good to watch Talking Dead. Everything once Michael Cudlitz showed up was amazing. We lost two of my favorite characters tonight, but the real shame will be not seeking them on Talking Dead or other show functions anymore. Michael and Steven are both a riot.
Hopefully where we lose these two, some other characters will step up and be more fleshed out. As a big Aaron fan, I'd love to see him get to do more. Someone like Heath or Spencer could also become more involved. And absolutely more Jesus please.
Mainly I'm thankful neither Rick nor Carl lost an arm, because that would have actually hurt the story, in my opinion. Overall now that I've processed it, I'm still really bummed, but it didn't ruin the show for me by any means.
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Post by The Lach is very tired on Oct 24, 2016 3:42:33 GMT -5
Just finished watching, that was honestly the toughest hour of TV I have experienced. I knew Glenn bought it in the comics so when Abe went down I was surprised. The double bluff with Glenn was a punch in the gut, especially the graphic nature of what they showed.
It also reinforces for me how the censorship is messed up in America, they can show all that gore but show a woman's nipple or drop a F-Bomb & it's a no go?
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Post by arrogantmodel on Oct 24, 2016 4:20:02 GMT -5
I have to ask though. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Let's say Daryl didn't interfere and punch Negan. Would Negan have still kept his promise and not kill anyone else? Or would he have still killed Glenn for shits and giggles? Absolutely on Daryl. And they're going to have to incorporate it into his character development. Glenn is dead because of him. Anyway...it delivered. Absolutely. Watched that shit twice. I'm amazed such brutality can be shown on cable but damn if it didn't deliver. I would think Negan would haved offed somebody else because he said they killed a lot of his people. More than he was comfortable with. So while the group killed dozens of Negan's squad, saying Abraham took one for about six or seven, killing another would have maybe evened things up a bit in his mind. |
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Post by taker1990 on Oct 24, 2016 4:21:43 GMT -5
BROKEN RICK I KNEW YOU'D COME! Abe and Glen:  |
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Oct 24, 2016 5:05:08 GMT -5
If I had to rewrite it I would of had them show Abe getting hit at the season finale and then you could of started this season with the Daryl punch and Glenn death but all in all the episode succeeded in its purpose of showcasing Negan and breaking Rick. Yeah that probably would have softened the backlash with the finale and maybe even provide a bigger shock value by showing who it was. Then they would still keep the swerve with the second death in the premiere. I wouldn't have minded this. Even to have the show start with how Negan took Rick then reveal Glenn's death how they did it. People really would have been caught off guard. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 24, 2016 6:11:11 GMT -5
......I have no words for what I just watched
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 24, 2016 6:17:19 GMT -5
Can any fans of the comic give me an idea how long until: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
We see Rick &co/the Hilltop/Kingdom go after the Saviors? |
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Post by celticjobber on Oct 24, 2016 6:23:49 GMT -5
Can any fans of the comic give me an idea how long until: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
We see Rick &co/the Hilltop/Kingdom go after the Saviors? It's been awhile since I read those issues. But I'm guessing the {Spoiler}march to war will begin around the mid-season or maybe towards the end of this season. With the war starting sometime around the second half of season 8.
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Post by Stu on Oct 24, 2016 8:39:37 GMT -5
Can any fans of the comic give me an idea how long until: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
We see Rick &co/the Hilltop/Kingdom go after the Saviors? I've mentioned it before, but I suspect the entire Negan saga will last two seasons. It's too important in the comics to rush through in just one season. Plus, we need to flesh out Ezekial's character and Dwight may do a bit more, given he has a larger role in the comics. Unless everything he does is instead done via Daryl. But what I wanna know is what happens with Carol, Morgan and Tara. |
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Post by chronocross on Oct 24, 2016 8:40:26 GMT -5
Definitely the lowest point Rick has ever been at so far in the series.
Back in Season 5 when they were captive at Terminus, you could see the defiance in Rick's eyes when he told Gareth he was going to kill him while he was tied up, on last night's episode that was a guy who was broken and helpless.
I wish they would've put one of the deaths in the S6 Finale, but the premiere was a great episode.
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 24, 2016 9:07:07 GMT -5
Can any fans of the comic give me an idea how long until: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}
We see Rick &co/the Hilltop/Kingdom go after the Saviors? I've mentioned it before, but I suspect the entire Negan saga will last two seasons. It's too important in the comics to rush through in just one season. Plus, we need to flesh out Ezekial's character and Dwight may do a bit more, given he has a larger role in the comics. Unless everything he does is instead done via Daryl. But what I wanna know is what happens with Carol, Morgan and Tara. I'm cool with that provided that: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
Rick and co show some kind of signs of fight around season's end leading into next season. I don't want like, a year and a half of them being Negan's complete bitch |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Oct 24, 2016 9:24:02 GMT -5
Just read a review that stated the episode was needlessly sadistic. In and of itself, that might be true, but I think it had to be sadistic to serve a larger purpose.
There was talk that this episode was supposed to be a turning point for the series, that it would pivot off of Negan and go in a different direction. If that's the case, then Negan needed to be something big enough and drastic enough to effect change in a zombie filled post apocalyptic world.
And the big question I have is what new or different direction is the Walking Dead heading towards? A bigger focus on human enemies, on human affairs, on maybe empire building? Are the walkers shifting into an ever present but background threat?
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Post by Stu on Oct 24, 2016 9:44:07 GMT -5
Just read a review that stated the episode was needlessly sadistic. In and of itself, that might be true, but I think it had to be sadistic to serve a larger purpose. There was talk that this episode was supposed to be a turning point for the series, that it would pivot off of Negan and go in a different direction. If that's the case, then Negan needed to be something big enough and drastic enough to effect change in a zombie filled post apocalyptic world. And the big question I have is what new or different direction is the Walking Dead heading towards? A bigger focus on human enemies, on human affairs, on maybe empire building? Are the walkers shifting into an ever present but background threat? Comic spoiler {Spoiler}Yes, the Walkers become secondary and, frankly, barely appear |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Oct 24, 2016 10:08:29 GMT -5
Just read a review that stated the episode was needlessly sadistic. In and of itself, that might be true, but I think it had to be sadistic to serve a larger purpose. There was talk that this episode was supposed to be a turning point for the series, that it would pivot off of Negan and go in a different direction. If that's the case, then Negan needed to be something big enough and drastic enough to effect change in a zombie filled post apocalyptic world. And the big question I have is what new or different direction is the Walking Dead heading towards? A bigger focus on human enemies, on human affairs, on maybe empire building? Are the walkers shifting into an ever present but background threat? Comic spoiler {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Yes, the Walkers become secondary and, frankly, barely appear So by season 10, walkers are yelled at and berated when they stumble into a house until they finally leave, apologizing. |
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 24, 2016 10:28:39 GMT -5
Just read a review that stated the episode was needlessly sadistic. In and of itself, that might be true, but I think it had to be sadistic to serve a larger purpose. There was talk that this episode was supposed to be a turning point for the series, that it would pivot off of Negan and go in a different direction. If that's the case, then Negan needed to be something big enough and drastic enough to effect change in a zombie filled post apocalyptic world. And the big question I have is what new or different direction is the Walking Dead heading towards? A bigger focus on human enemies, on human affairs, on maybe empire building? Are the walkers shifting into an ever present but background threat? Comic spoiler {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Yes, the Walkers become secondary and, frankly, barely appear {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
If the show holds true to that, then I'm cool with it wrapping up when the Negan saga is over |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 24, 2016 10:29:14 GMT -5
I see a lot of those comments and even poor reviews saying they did not deliver. As a person who reads the comic when I read a spoiler last week on the deaths I could not wait to see it on screen. Idk what people could of wanted or expected as the landscape is now changed. This was their red wedding moment. It delivered for me on every aspect. The same ones who are complaining about the cliffhanger and how they should've shown what happened are now complaining about what was shown. I understand we're fans and some of us can be fickle, however, there's absolutely no pleasing some of them and for them to swear off of a show in this fashion is ridiculous. It's called The Walking Dead for a reason. This isn't Friends, Gilmour Girls, Dawson's Creek, Boy Meets World, etc where there's a silver lining and happy endings. This is a show about the worst of humanity in a zombie apocalyptic setting. What were they expecting? The first thing people have to realize is your favorite characters will die brutal deaths. Kirkman has basically admitted the more favorite they are the more brutal it probably be. Walking Dead TV show hasn't had real brutal deaths and certainly not to that extent. I really don't know what else they could expect as I believe the show delivered on all fronts. As I said I would of done one death end of last season and one during this premiere but all in all it was good. |
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