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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Oct 25, 2016 18:15:31 GMT -5
If this was HBO i am sure they would of went through with it. However, a cable tv channel even tho they are pushing their limits was not going to kill a pregnant Maggie. Add on the fact I assume they keep Negans "weird" code of honor and I doubt he kills Maggie this way. It would of been crazy to have both her and Glenn die together like that tho. Something like he kills Maggie first and Glenn goes crazy and he kills Glenn the same way but he crawls to Maggie body to grab her hand before the final blow I know they were never going to go through with it, especially on AMC. I wonder if it might a be Blu Ray extra with all the death scenes being filmed. I liked the episode a lot and I thought it made up for the cliffhanger, now it's just the follow up I'm concerned with. I think they're going to give us a week or two to process and then continue with the reactions from Rick and Co. I believe next week the entire episode is Carol and Morghan at The Kingdom, then back to Rick's group for Ep. 3 |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 25, 2016 18:17:41 GMT -5
If this was HBO i am sure they would of went through with it. However, a cable tv channel even tho they are pushing their limits was not going to kill a pregnant Maggie. Add on the fact I assume they keep Negans "weird" code of honor and I doubt he kills Maggie this way. It would of been crazy to have both her and Glenn die together like that tho. Something like he kills Maggie first and Glenn goes crazy and he kills Glenn the same way but he crawls to Maggie body to grab her hand before the final blow I know they were never going to go through with it, especially on AMC. I wonder if it might a be Blu Ray extra with all the death scenes being filmed. I liked the episode a lot and I thought it made up for the cliffhanger, now it's just the follow up I'm concerned with. I think they're going to give us a week or two to process and then continue with the reactions from Rick and Co. Yea as I said before this hit all the angles it needed to imo. If people think it it went to far than I don't what to say. What I would of changed if anything was have Abe death shown end of season 6 and Glenn start of season 7. We will def get at least a one week break which will get us the Kingdom and introduced to Big Zeke and Sheeva. I expect episode 2 to be more loose especially with Carol and Morgan being the "odd couple" |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 25, 2016 18:24:37 GMT -5
Just because they did it in the comics doesn't mean they have to do it on TV. The baseball bat beatings were too much for me. One of the things I liked about the TV show is they don't go for the "OMG I'm SO SUPERHARDCORE" bullshit that Kirkman does in the comics. Maybe you tough guys were all upset that Michonne didn't get raped by the Governor on the show like she did in the comics? Come on now. I really enjoyed seasons 3-6(right up to that pathetic gimmick cliffhanger of season 6 which really assisted in killing my enthusiasm) and was one of the only people on this board that didn't complain about the show all the time. So I'm not someone "just looking for things to complain about". But I'm complaining now and I'm done with it. According to some of you in this thread that means I was only ever a "fan" and not a true fan. You have every right to feel what you feel. Those of us who have no complaints and are questioning those who thought it went to far is wondering where do you draw the line. Was it too far when Carol killed Lizzie? Was it too far when bandits tried to rape Carl and Rick ripped his neck out? The whole point was to break Rick break and in the process break the audience. If the audience doesn't believe Rick is broken then the show seems like it's not moving and we are in the same place. I'm sorry if u don't want to watch the show anymore as I feel it has a lot left to offer |
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Oct 25, 2016 18:58:39 GMT -5
Just because they did it in the comics doesn't mean they have to do it on TV. The baseball bat beatings were too much for me. One of the things I liked about the TV show is they don't go for the "OMG I'm SO SUPERHARDCORE" bullshit that Kirkman does in the comics. Maybe you tough guys were all upset that Michonne didn't get raped by the Governor on the show like she did in the comics? Come on now. I really enjoyed seasons 3-6(right up to that pathetic gimmick cliffhanger of season 6 which really assisted in killing my enthusiasm) and was one of the only people on this board that didn't complain about the show all the time. So I'm not someone "just looking for things to complain about". But I'm complaining now and I'm done with it. According to some of you in this thread that means I was only ever a "fan" and not a true fan. You have every right to feel what you feel. Those of us who have no complaints and are questioning those who thought it went to far is wondering where do you draw the line. Was it too far when Carol killed Lizzie? Was it too far when bandits tried to rape Carl and Rick ripped his neck out? The whole point was to break Rick break and in the process break the audience. If the audience doesn't believe Rick is broken then the show seems like it's not moving and we are in the same place. I'm sorry if u don't want to watch the show anymore as I feel it has a lot left to offer AGREED! I honestly don't know how anyone can be offended by what was shown. The show is supposed to be gory. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 25, 2016 19:11:56 GMT -5
You have every right to feel what you feel. Those of us who have no complaints and are questioning those who thought it went to far is wondering where do you draw the line. Was it too far when Carol killed Lizzie? Was it too far when bandits tried to rape Carl and Rick ripped his neck out? The whole point was to break Rick break and in the process break the audience. If the audience doesn't believe Rick is broken then the show seems like it's not moving and we are in the same place. I'm sorry if u don't want to watch the show anymore as I feel it has a lot left to offer AGREED! I honestly don't know how anyone can be offended by what was shown. The show is supposed to be gory. I can understand keeping certain things out the show like Judith dying at the prison or the Michonne rape and mutilation of the governor because they had no bearing on the story. However, this was a moment everybody who read the comics knew was coming. There was no way to rewrite this scene because it's iconic in the universe and is the introduction to the craziest villain the walking dead has had. As I said before the intention was to break Rick and the fans and based upon the response they did that. Frankly some people are still salty from last season finale and had their minds made up before going into the show. |
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Post by Richard on Oct 25, 2016 19:42:32 GMT -5
I think artistically it was not only need but well done, however I won't begrudge anyone for thinking the violence was too much, especially with the touches they had like Glenn's eye bulging or pieces of flash hanging off Lucille. That was a serious shocker for me, I cannot think of many films I've watched that have gone that far and been serious as well. That said, I also get what they were going for and thought it helped establish the heaviness of the situation.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Oct 25, 2016 20:13:15 GMT -5
I think artistically it was not only need but well done, however I won't begrudge anyone for thinking the violence was too much, especially with the touches they had like Glenn's eye bulging or pieces of flash hanging off Lucille. That was a serious shocker for me, I cannot think of many films I've watched that have gone that far and been serious as well. That said, I also get what they were going for and thought it helped establish the heaviness of the situation. I wonder if the initial impression is that it was gore for the sake of gore, that it was solely gratuitous, when in fact it's necessary. |
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Post by smgalia on Oct 25, 2016 21:08:01 GMT -5
I think the gore is there to serve a purpose. They WANT you to absolutely HATE Neegan. When you see those flaps on the end of Lucille, they wanted to to think "holy crap! Thats Glenn hanging off that!" I never read the comics or know anything about Negan, but from watching the show, I had a small bit of sympathy about the governor because of his daughter and maybe why thats why he went nuts. You see a beloved character like Glenn, who has been a hero throughout the show, started one of the best romances in any horror genre in his relationship/marriage to Maggie (hell, even GQ did a fashion shoot with those two together) finds out he's a father, survives longer than any "pizza boy" should have. You see a guy like that get smashed like that with one hit and a cut away? Doesn't sit THAT hard with the viewers. Now show him once again trying to be the man that he is by telling his beloved that he'll find her, all the while we see the result of one hit from a bat, eye poking out while Negan basically making fun of him. Now THAT hits you hard right in the gut. You want Negan to die slowly. I think thats why the gore was so intense. I think anyone who is really quitting the show wasn't that upset about it if it was just Abe. Their hero got killed in a brutal way and that didn't sit well with them.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 25, 2016 21:23:26 GMT -5
I think the gore is there to serve a purpose. They WANT you to absolutely HATE Neegan. When you see those flaps on the end of Lucille, they wanted to to think "holy crap! Thats Glenn hanging off that!" I never read the comics or know anything about Negan, but from watching the show, I had a small bit of sympathy about the governor because of his daughter and maybe why thats why he went nuts. You see a beloved character like Glenn, who has been a hero throughout the show, started one of the best romances in any horror genre in his relationship/marriage to Maggie (hell, even GQ did a fashion shoot with those two together) finds out he's a father, survives longer than any "pizza boy" should have. You see a guy like that get smashed like that with one hit and a cut away? Doesn't sit THAT hard with the viewers. Now show him once again trying to be the man that he is by telling his beloved that he'll find her, all the while we see the result of one hit from a bat, eye poking out while Negan basically making fun of him. Now THAT hits you hard right in the gut. You want Negan to die slowly. I think thats why the gore was so intense. I think anyone who is really quitting the show wasn't that upset about it if it was just Abe. Their hero got killed in a brutal way and that didn't sit well with them. It was brutal because it had to be not because it's gory to be gory as you said. The thing with the TV series so far is that because of the abundant of main characters their hasn't been any "crazy" deaths like Herschel. Sure Beth got shot in the head and Tyreese died of blood loss but that shit happens in the zombie apocalypse. However, what you saw from Negan is not an everyday occurrence in the apocalypse which makes it stand out. As I said before they could of adopted certain things from the comics and it would of been more crazy but it didn't fit in the story. This you couldn't take out the story. Somebody had to go that way. |
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Post by Stu on Oct 25, 2016 21:23:27 GMT -5
Maybe you tough guys were all upset that Michonne didn't get raped by the Governor on the show like she did in the comics? Come on now. You wanna not say shit like that? |
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Post by Starshine on Oct 25, 2016 21:27:32 GMT -5
I don't think this was even the most brutal thing I've seen in Walking Dead this past year. To me the most graphic and disturbing thing they've shown was in Fear the Walking Dead when Chris put the crashed airplane passenger with the protruding spinal injury out of his misery by beating him to death with a wrench.
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Post by Stu on Oct 25, 2016 21:35:18 GMT -5
Carol shooting Lizzie
Governor decapitating Herschel
Denise's arrow to her eye
Noah getting stuck in a revolving door
Terminus, prisoners, a bat, a knife and a pig trough
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 21:51:13 GMT -5
Noah getting stuck in a revolving door Terminus, prisoners, a bat, a knife and a pig trough These two were definitely on par with the Negan beatings for me. Very brutal, and I can see why someone would be upset to see their favorite characters die like that... But I can't see being upset because it's violent. This show has shown many times that it's f***ing brutal and unflinching. The Maggie scene is so much easier to watch when you know it isn't cannon. Like the brutality didn't bother me at all there because I knew the Maggie character wasn't really did. The two actual deaths did hurt, because I knew I wouldn't see Glenn and Abraham again. |
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Post by Bruce Mother Wayne on Oct 25, 2016 21:56:15 GMT -5
I guess the problem with the show is: what's the endgame?
Lost's endgame involved the survivors of 815 getting off the island.
Breaking Bad's endgame involved Walter White dying.
Six Feet Under's endgame involved reconciling the fact that everybody dies.
But the problem with the zombie survival storyline in today's serialized television is precisely that: survival. You can't have the zombie virus cured, because that's not true to the nihilistic spirit of the story. But how do you create drama from characters who are trying to survive one moment to the next? You Dragonball Z it: each Big Bad is Bigger and Badder than the last. Isn't that what Negan is at Season 7 of this show? The survival aspect of the zombie survival narrative simply doesn't or can't sustain in the television format (whereas it works better in the comics, perhaps, precisely because comics aren't time sinks as much as TV shows are?).
And maybe that's also part of the problem with the show. It's in Season 7. Most American TV does best between 4-6 seasons, although most shows, by season 5, already feel like they've gone on too long. But The Walking Dead is a hit, so the show feels padded and repetitive, precisely because there is no end in sight.
What would have been more shocking? Maybe killing Rick off. Have Maggie or Carl take over as the new leader of the group. Or have the survivors become the full blown bad guys and have them put over a new group of people who are shocked at how savage and brutal Rick and his group are. Why not have all of the survivors end up as zombies? It would literalize the title of the show, more so than these characters who are already 'walking dead' as they go from one misery porn moment to the next misery porn moment.
But isn't that what this show is at this point, a series of shocking and/or gruesome moments? And given the ratings for this season premiere, it's what people want. It's like watching YouTube but on TV, but it works (for some reason), so I can't say I'm surprised that AMC and Kirkman wouldn't want to change the formula.
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Post by Stu on Oct 25, 2016 22:11:58 GMT -5
It needs to end with what we get between Negan and the Whisperers: Renewed civilization within the zombie world
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 26, 2016 1:28:32 GMT -5
I also wonder how viewers are gonna react when {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Rick puts Negan in a jail cell, instead of killing him after the war. Assuming they keep that part of the storyline from the comics.
Because I know a lot of people are convinced (or just hoping) Rick will end up killing Negan for what he did to Glenn and Abraham. I honestly don't think they can do that. {Spoiler}TV Negan is much more brutal and nasty than comic Negan.
Comic Negan was a nasty piece of work but he had a bit of a code of honour and could be reasonable at times. Like sparing Carl after Carl killed 6 of his men, killing Spencer after he plotted to kill Rick, offering to let Alexandria keep all their supplies to make up for Negan killing Spencer etc.
Plus in the comics, even though he demands 50% of everything he and the Saviours do at least do what they promised and keep the areas around Hilltop free from Walkers whereas in the show I think they mentioned he just takes the supplies and doesn't do anything.
TV show Negan so far seems to lack most of comic Negan's few redeeming qualities so I can't see people buying Rick leaving him alive.
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Post by celticjobber on Oct 26, 2016 2:25:00 GMT -5
I also wonder how viewers are gonna react when {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Rick puts Negan in a jail cell, instead of killing him after the war. Assuming they keep that part of the storyline from the comics.
Because I know a lot of people are convinced (or just hoping) Rick will end up killing Negan for what he did to Glenn and Abraham. I honestly don't think they can do that. TV Negan is much more brutal and nasty than comic Negan.
Comic Negan was a nasty piece of work but he had a bit of a code of honour and could be reasonable at times. Like sparing Carl after Carl killed 6 of his men, killing Spencer after he plotted to kill Rick, offering to let Alexandria keep all their supplies to make up for Negan killing Spencer etc.
Plus in the comics, even though he demands 50% of everything he and the Saviours do at least do what they promised and keep the areas around Hilltop free from Walkers whereas in the show I think they mentioned he just takes the supplies and doesn't do anything.
TV show Negan so far seems to lack most of comic Negan's few redeeming qualities so I can't see people buying Rick leaving him alive.
Yeah, that's true. TV Negan is more vicious and less humorous than in the comics. {Spoiler}But I think some of the things like him sparing Carl's life, and a similar Spencer "guts" storyline could still happen. And he did spare Daryl's life, if only by killing Glenn instead.
I think somehow Rick will end up seeing things Morgan's way, as in "all lives are precious". And it'll lead to Rick sparing Negan's life by putting him in the cell Morgan built last season. On a similar note, I'm not sure {Spoiler}if the TV version of Dwight can make the "face turn" he did in the comics. Because he seems like much more of an asshole so far.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's killed off and Daryl ends up with most of Dwight's comic storylines after a certain point.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 26, 2016 3:13:09 GMT -5
Yeah, that's true. TV Negan is more vicious and less humorous than in the comics. But I think some of the things like him sparing Carl's life, and a similar Spencer "guts" storyline could still happen. And he did spare Daryl's life, if only by killing Glenn instead.
I think somehow Rick will end up seeing things Morgan's way, as in "all lives are precious". And it'll lead to Rick sparing Negan's life by putting him in the cell Morgan built last season. On a similar note, I'm not sure if the TV version of Dwight can make the "face turn" he did in the comics. Because he seems like much more of an asshole so far.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's killed off and Daryl ends up with most of Dwight's comic storylines after a certain point.
{Spoiler}Now you mention it, I do think they will have him spare Carl since that was quite an interesting storyline in the comics. Would be a shame if they cut that out.
He only spared Daryl though to stop anyone else trying anything stupid. Killing Glenn instead will do more to make the others think twice since they won't want to have caused someone else's death. Plus Daryl got taken away as security against Rick trying anything so he wasn't that merciful.
I do like how the TV series is different enough from the comics to still be surprising. Like with Daryl been captured, I haven't got a clue what's going to happen to him so it makes the show much more interesting. {Spoiler}Yeah I can't see Dwight surviving. He comes across as a huge, annoying bitch in the TV show. I reckon he'll end up getting killed at some point. They've been building a Darryl and Dwight rivalry so I'm guessing Darryl will be the one to finish him off and reclaim his crossbow.
Shame because comic Dwight is a pretty cool character. I like how he's gone on to become one of Rick's trusted Generals and a pretty capable leader. |
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Post by clifford on Oct 26, 2016 6:53:42 GMT -5
Now you mention it, I do think they will have him spare Carl since that was quite an interesting storyline in the comics. Would be a shame if they cut that out.
He only spared Daryl though to stop anyone else trying anything stupid. Killing Glenn instead will do more to make the others think twice since they won't want to have caused someone else's death. Plus Daryl got taken away as security against Rick trying anything so he wasn't that merciful.
I do like how the TV series is different enough from the comics to still be surprising. Like with Daryl been captured, I haven't got a clue what's going to happen to him so it makes the show much more interesting. Yeah I can't see Dwight surviving. He comes across as a huge, annoying bitch in the TV show. I reckon he'll end up getting killed at some point. They've been building a Darryl and Dwight rivalry so I'm guessing Darryl will be the one to finish him off and reclaim his crossbow.
Shame because comic Dwight is a pretty cool character. I like how he's gone on to become one of Rick's trusted Generals and a pretty capable leader. Well comic Dwight after the Saviours arc is basically what Darryl is anyway so I really can't see the need for both of them in the show. And Norman Reedus ain't going anywhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 15:35:33 GMT -5
Found this on Facebook. Seems someone saw to a certain character's remembrance in a local newspaper.... {Spoiler}  |
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