Walking Dead Season 7

[crabbymelt]

So, not show-related but toy related. I finally got the last Funko mystery minis from series 4 that I was missing. They were Morgan, Noah, and Sasha. They're so cute! Realized though that as a kid, I don't think I owned any dolls that weren't white. Or female action figures.

[Kalmia]

My problem with Walking Dead, and the reason why I'm unsure whether I'm going to continue watching, has nothing to do with gore and all to do with bad writing.

When the show started off, it was an interesting show about humans trying to survive in a zombie world, and how the biggest threats were other humans. The Walkers have never been the main threat, and I thought that was great.

But as the seasons have gone on, there seems to be less of a story and a point to everything. It's just a series of events that are trying to outdo previous events in their savagery, and then stuff in-between. Less 'how do we tell an interesting story?', and more 'how do we shock the viewers more than last time?' It's lazy writing.

[Stu]

I get what you're saying and don't disagree there's a shock-value element. But the current storyline has a lot of potential simply because of Negan. The character really is a game changer and we could actually get some solid writing and plot progression that you mentioned.

[Susan "Poison" Candy]

Negan is exactly how the Authority should have been. To compare both are the kind of people you really want to see get whats coming to them for what they did but with The Authority their end result was a headache where Negan you can tell he has alot of back up ideas in his head should things go astray in his plans and he will get a great death scene that everyone will want to see

[chronocross]

That was some stellar acting by Andrew Lincoln, especially with that snot bubble, wow.

[Limity (BLM)]

Oct 28, 2016 11:42:46 GMT -5 Susan "Poison" Candy said:

Negan is exactly how the Authority should have been. To compare both are the kind of people you really want to see get whats coming to them for what they did but with The Authority their end result was a headache where Negan you can tell he has alot of back up ideas in his head should things go astray in his plans and he will get a great death scene that everyone will want to see

That's a really good idea, and actually a natural progression in storytelling.

The original authority angle, Vince and the Corporation, was content to control the actions of its wrestlers. Here comes the daughter of the devil, and she wants to do to wrestlers what Negan does, break their will, their mind. Not just their bodies.

[Susan "Poison" Candy]

Oct 28, 2016 19:33:46 GMT -5 Limity (BLM) said:

Oct 28, 2016 11:42:46 GMT -5 Susan "Poison" Candy said:

Negan is exactly how the Authority should have been. To compare both are the kind of people you really want to see get whats coming to them for what they did but with The Authority their end result was a headache where Negan you can tell he has alot of back up ideas in his head should things go astray in his plans and he will get a great death scene that everyone will want to see

That's a really good idea, and actually a natural progression in storytelling.

The original authority angle, Vince and the Corporation, was content to control the actions of its wrestlers. Here comes the daughter of the devil, and she wants to do to wrestlers what Negan does, break their will, their mind. Not just their bodies.

Except the only difference is with Negan you know he will be getting whats coming to him somehow. You don't know how, when, or where but it will be guaranteed to be a good payoff but with Stephanie she never gets whats coming to her and is pretty much degrading to great storytelling.

[Stu]

Oct 28, 2016 19:43:40 GMT -5 Susan "Poison" Candy said:

Oct 28, 2016 19:33:46 GMT -5 Limity (BLM) said:

That's a really good idea, and actually a natural progression in storytelling.

The original authority angle, Vince and the Corporation, was content to control the actions of its wrestlers. Here comes the daughter of the devil, and she wants to do to wrestlers what Negan does, break their will, their mind. Not just their bodies.

Except the only difference is with Negan you know he will be getting whats coming to him somehow. You don't know how, when, or where but it will be guaranteed to be a good payoff but with Stephanie she never gets whats coming to her and is pretty much degrading to great storytelling.

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[Bo Rida]

Oct 25, 2016 21:56:15 GMT -5 Bruce Mother Wayne said:

I guess the problem with the show is: what's the endgame?
But the problem with the zombie survival storyline in today's serialized television is precisely that: survival. You can't have the zombie virus cured, because that's not true to the nihilistic spirit of the story. But how do you create drama from characters who are trying to survive one moment to the next?

... Or have the survivors become the full blown bad guys and have them put over a new group of people who are shocked at how savage and brutal Rick and his group are. Why not have all of the survivors end up as zombies? It would literalize the title of the show, more so than these characters who are already 'walking dead' as they go from one misery porn moment to the next misery porn moment.

But isn't that what this show is at this point, a series of shocking and/or gruesome momenthosets? And given the ratings for this season premiere, it's what people want. It's like watching YouTube but on TV, but it works (for some reason), so I can't say I'm surprised that AMC and Kirkman wouldn't want to change the formula.

Yeah that's my issue. I love The Americans. In many ways it's similar, we know how the cold war ends so know everything they're doing is essentially futile, it can also be boiled down to a series of brutal events done in order to survive. Yet there's an end game there, more focused character development and I feel it has more to say about it's themes. Similar thing with GoT, much of the story has been a futile series of battles before the real war begins but again you know what that endgame will be and it feels like there's more of a purpose there.

I too would have liked to have seen essentially been heels in the Alexandria story, turning them into the type of group they once battled. That's more interesting to me than another big bad.

Of course it's early in this storyline so I could be speaking too soon especially as it could easily be tied to real world events.

[Stu]

I totally get that violence and gore aren't for everyone. But I'm getting tired of reading comments from people who act like the show has completely ruined and traumatized their lives. People really need to calm the hell down about everything. Instead, I'm seeing nothing but Helen Lovejoy-esques "Think of the children" comments.

[riseofsetian1981]

Oct 30, 2016 11:55:15 GMT -5 Stu said:

I totally get that violence and gore aren't for everyone. But I'm getting tired of reading comments from people who act like the show has completely ruined and traumatized their lives. People really need to calm the hell down about everything. Instead, I'm seeing nothing but Helen Lovejoy-esques "Think of the children" comments.

It's mind boggling to say the least. Makes you wonder what show have they been watching? Have we not seen humans do some horrific acts while watching it? I just don't understand what they were expecting out of the premiere and the rest of the season.

[ronin705]

People are gonna lose their minds over the Whisperers.

[Beets by Schrute]

King Ezekiel is what happens when Game of Thrones meets the Walking Dead.

[crabbymelt]

I finished my pumpkin and my dog's costume too! I introduce to you, Beagan. All your food belongs to him now.

[AFN: Judge Shred]

Love this week, hated last week.

Some of you guys with how you are reacting to people who didn't like it, need to be more considerate.

The reason I didn't like it wasn't the level of gore. I am fine with it. No, it was a 90 minute episode last season that was almost entirely filler to sell ad space, then come back this year to waiting 20 more minutes before anything happens. Once it does we get our deaths and the Hand teasing stuff.

It had nothing to do with what was shown, I wasn't grossed out. I have watched way more gruesome stuff and never have it bother me. No, what happened here was that after 110 minutes of teasing, we get 40 minutes crammed all together. I stopped caring. Even before the episode aired I figured they were killing two because they did not have the balls to kill Daryl, the only character big enough to make Negan look as imposing as he needed. After teasing Glenn dying at least twice last season, dying here left me with no feeling. I felt nothing for Abraham because I knew it was coming, they never give a character as much development out of the blue as they did with him last season if they aren't killing them. The Walking Dead has desensitized me to its tricks. It does the same thing over and over and over.

At this point I know this show, I know its trick, I knows its paces. So yeah, I greatly disliked last week because it was the same shit, different day.

Tonight I loved, it had the two best actors on the show (Lennie and Melissa) just having a good old time. Khary was great as the King and chewing the scenery, he some how felt more fictionalized and yet more real than Negan.

It is great to have different opinions, but man, when people disagree, don't judge them or mock them. Be cool to one another.

[Koda, Master Crunchyroller]

Honestly yeah Abe dying wasn't a shock at all. Whenever one of the non-core members of the group(basically anyone who isn't still alive from the first two seasons) suddenly got a boost in screentime and character development it means they won't be around soon. It's a signal that they finally figured out what the hell to do with the character and give them an arc and then their arc ends, and by ends, I mean they die, because that is literally the only way they know how to end a character's arc in this show.

I'll still watch the show but that is a glaring flaw it has and has been something I've noticed for years now.

[AFN: Judge Shred]

Oct 30, 2016 23:46:37 GMT -5 Koda, Master Crunchyroller said:

Honestly yeah Abe dying wasn't a shock at all. Whenever one of the non-core members of the group(basically anyone who isn't still alive from the first two seasons) suddenly got a boost in screentime and character development it means they won't be around soon. It's a signal that they finally figured out what the hell to do with the character and give them an arc and then their arc ends, and by ends, I mean they die, because that is literally the only way they know how to end a character's arc in this show.

I'll still watch the show but that is a glaring flaw it has and has been something I've noticed for years now.

T-dawg is still the most glaring one for me.

[Koda, Master Crunchyroller]

Oct 30, 2016 23:52:52 GMT -5 AFN: Judge Shred said:

Oct 30, 2016 23:46:37 GMT -5 Koda, Master Crunchyroller said:

Honestly yeah Abe dying wasn't a shock at all. Whenever one of the non-core members of the group(basically anyone who isn't still alive from the first two seasons) suddenly got a boost in screentime and character development it means they won't be around soon. It's a signal that they finally figured out what the hell to do with the character and give them an arc and then their arc ends, and by ends, I mean they die, because that is literally the only way they know how to end a character's arc in this show.

I'll still watch the show but that is a glaring flaw it has and has been something I've noticed for years now.

T-dawg is still the most glaring one for me.

If T-Dawg wasn't the start of this trend he was certainly the first one I actively remember.

[Stu]

Gotta go back and check which of tonight's supporting characters were in the graphic novel.

And Talking Dead really made me want to see Carol go medieval on Negan

[Glitch]

Oct 28, 2016 10:20:05 GMT -5 Kalmia said:

My problem with Walking Dead, and the reason why I'm unsure whether I'm going to continue watching, has nothing to do with gore and all to do with bad writing.

When the show started off, it was an interesting show about humans trying to survive in a zombie world, and how the biggest threats were other humans. The Walkers have never been the main threat, and I thought that was great.

But as the seasons have gone on, there seems to be less of a story and a point to everything. It's just a series of events that are trying to outdo previous events in their savagery, and then stuff in-between. Less 'how do we tell an interesting story?', and more 'how do we shock the viewers more than last time?' It's lazy writing.

The show also seems to be Rick and crew running into a group of people. Lot's of death happens. They move on. Meet a group of people. Again Lots of death. Rinse and repeat.
I lost track of the show when I got super busy with some stuff a year ago, and this repeating plotline is sort of keeping me on edge of catching up with the show.