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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 9, 2017 8:32:27 GMT -5
Some of the reviews I've read for Forces have an annoying condescending tone towards the fanbase. Like when they talk about the customization feature, there's far too much of a "I think this aspect is dumb and you should feel dumb for enjoying it" vibe in a lot of these articles.
That whole "LOL I'm making a fursona". What's wrong with that? How is a fursona something to be ashamed of?
I couldn't care less if they think the game is good or not. At least try to write a review that doesn't talk down to people who might be interested in it.
Jim Sterling and Kotaku's reviews come off more fair, like they just wanted to enjoy it and weren't trying to sound cooler-than-thou.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 9, 2017 9:23:43 GMT -5
It's frustrating that SEGA just kinda dropped the ball again. I really enjoyed Generations when it was released and think it's easily the best 3D Sonic game but 2017 has seen not only a fantastic 2D Sonic but a brilliant 3D Mario. Forces meanwhile is basically good but flawed from what I've heard from people that liked it which is basically not good enough for a 3D platformer in a year which has seen Mario Odyssey, Hat in Time and Yooka Laylee.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 9, 2017 9:32:04 GMT -5
Sega drops the ball with Sonic, Color me shocked
Seems Sega should just let the fans have Sonic, Since they can make a better game.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 9, 2017 10:16:16 GMT -5
It's frustrating that SEGA just kinda dropped the ball again. I really enjoyed Generations when it was released and think it's easily the best 3D Sonic game but 2017 has seen not only a fantastic 2D Sonic but a brilliant 3D Mario. Forces meanwhile is basically good but flawed from what I've heard from people that liked it which is basically not good enough for a 3D platformer in a year which has seen Mario Odyssey, Hat in Time and Yooka Laylee. just classic Sega things,the game could have used more time to tweak level design and add more meat to the game. At least they had the scope right and isn't filled with game breaking bugs and glitches
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Nov 11, 2017 10:58:52 GMT -5
GOTY
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 11:16:55 GMT -5
I been playing Forces some more and idk but the control seem off compare to Generations and Adventure 2. You can tell there some good idea in the game but it just not a fun game to play. I should probably finish Generation someday. I got to the final boss in that game and just quit due to how crappy is was.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 11, 2017 11:30:05 GMT -5
I been playing Forces some more and idk but the control seem off compare to Generations and Adventure 2. You can tell there some good idea in the game but it just not a fun game to play. I should probably finish Generation someday. I got to the final boss in that game and just quit due to how crappy is was. That's 3D era Sonic all over, Some GREAT ideas but other stuff just destroys it. Sega should be raking the dough given 2D has become popular again (Hell Nostalgia in general), Look at the IPs there sitting on. The level I played was 2D with 3D/Modern look, They should've just done that
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 12:53:47 GMT -5
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Post by Jiren on Nov 11, 2017 12:55:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 3:48:04 GMT -5
Yea but no, Forces isn't better then Mania.
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Post by Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast on Nov 13, 2017 6:04:00 GMT -5
Yea but no, Forces isn't better then Mania. I like the LJN Defender, but that's just too much
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 12:25:48 GMT -5
Yea but no, Forces isn't better then Mania. I like the LJN Defender, but that's just too much Same and I would agree that Mania could uses some more new level design and maybe a new bonus round instead of reusing Blue Sphere but Forces has alot more flaw then that. Having a OC mode doesn't make up for the fact that game feel like a $40 HD version of Sonic Dash with buggy control. I guessing Sonic Team wanted this game to be Sonic Xenoverse but felt short on it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 13, 2017 12:30:53 GMT -5
The game is whatever it is, but I'm really bothered by how some reviewers have stated the Sonic franchise has never been known for darker or more complex stories. Did all that other really good American media with the cartoons and comics vanish all of a sudden with Forces's release?
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 13, 2017 12:59:13 GMT -5
Even in the games, both Adventure games (which I still do like) had fairly complex and kinda dark stories. I think the problem is you then have 06 which was too complex to the point where it had Grand Canyon-sized holes and Unleashed which got... weird.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 13, 2017 13:00:56 GMT -5
Even in the games, both Adventure games (which I still do like) had fairly complex and kinda dark stories. I think the problem is you then have 06 which was too complex to the point where it had Grand Canyon-sized holes and Unleashed which got... weird. I guess its more about presentation. Forces cares more about the story. Adventure it is just an excuse to got to the next biome and to show off the new characters
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 13:07:41 GMT -5
The game is whatever it is, but I'm really bothered by how some reviewers have stated the Sonic franchise has never been known for darker or more complex stories. Did all that other really good American media with the cartoons and comics vanish all of a sudden with Forces's release? Dude, take a chill pill. It's possible that those reviewers haven't watched the TV cartoons or read the comics, especially given how non canon they are in SEGA's vision. Plus, the one time they did try for true seriousness was Sonic 06, and we know how that turned out. The problem is that the game starts very gritty with an obvious edgelord villain, but the seriousness goes away after Sonic joins. There's just that bad fan fiction vibe with this tale. The Adventure games were able to present gravity to the story where you saw the stakes as well as the ramifications. Unleashed had Dark Gaia, but you were too distracted by Werehog gameplay to focus. It CAN be done, but if done badly, it looks stupid.
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Post by xCompackx on Nov 13, 2017 13:12:54 GMT -5
Even in the games, both Adventure games (which I still do like) had fairly complex and kinda dark stories. I think the problem is you then have 06 which was too complex to the point where it had Grand Canyon-sized holes and Unleashed which got... weird. I guess its more about presentation. Forces cares more about the story. Adventure it is just an excuse to got to the next biome and to show off the new characters Well, sure; Adventure being the first fully 3D Sonic game (and a showcase for the Dreamcast) likely had a big part in the presentation. I dunno, a remake of Adventure 1 that isn't Sonic 06 would be interesting.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 13, 2017 13:14:41 GMT -5
The game is whatever it is, but I'm really bothered by how some reviewers have stated the Sonic franchise has never been known for darker or more complex stories. Did all that other really good American media with the cartoons and comics vanish all of a sudden with Forces's release? Dude, take a chill pill. It's possible that those reviewers haven't watched the TV cartoons or read the comics, especially given how non canon they are in SEGA's vision. Plus, the one time they did try for true seriousness was Sonic 06, and we know how that turned out. The problem is that the game starts very gritty with an obvious edgelord villain, but the seriousness goes away after Sonic joins. There's just that bad fan fiction vibe with this tale. The Adventure games were able to present gravity to the story where you saw the stakes as well as the ramifications. Unleashed had Dark Gaia, but you were too distracted by Werehog gameplay to focus. It CAN be done, but if done badly, it looks stupid. You don't need to tell me "chill out ". I was just making an observation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 13:57:49 GMT -5
I think the reasons why the adventure game's story work is because it still felt like a Sonic story even through it was more serious in tone. Forces, along with 06, feel like it was supposed to be for another game series but changes at the last min to be for the next Sonic game causing it to be a awkward mess. I can't take Forces story seriously because it feel like bad fan fiction.
"In the year 2020X, Dr. Eggman and Edgelord the Wolf had taken over the the world and defeated Sonic. Now the only hope is Sonic's long lost brother's step son whom also Sonic's Great Grandfather from another dimension, can save us now".
Also doesn't help that Sonic Forces also mess up Sonic Canon by saying that Classic Sonic is no longer a younger Sonic from the past but another Sonic from another dimension.
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Post by BorneAgain on Nov 13, 2017 17:18:12 GMT -5
Sonic Forces suffers worst from telling not showing, and wanting to have its cake and eat it to.
Its this dark story that's told to us through text on the screen half the time, has gritty plotlines of Sonic being tortured with no discernible effect on him, and throws around all these quotes about war and characters losing hope, but with little change in tone or even broad demonstrative character motivations rooted in that element.
Hell if anything the Avatar is the least fanfic esque element in it, because at least that character has a clear story with some kind of backstory told, an arc of going from unproven civilian rookie to valuable resistance member, and eventual climax in helping to defeat the character (Infinite) that they were victimized by. Its the canon characters like Modern Sonic, Tails, and the plot useless Classic Sonic that the narrative does no favors for.
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