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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 18, 2017 21:49:55 GMT -5
That's true. This one felt very much like if you took an animated film with a simple story and made it live action, both positively and negatively.
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Post by Evil Homer on Nov 18, 2017 21:54:32 GMT -5
I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would ( not a knock on dc just batman v superman was such thrash) . I liked that there was a lot less comedy than marvel movies
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Post by the2ndevil on Nov 19, 2017 0:31:32 GMT -5
Oh, I liked this movie so much. Some pacing issues, isn’t surprising considering this movie really had two directors and this cut is apparently an hour shorter than the test screen cut.
Barry Allen was just so infectious, had some of my favorite moments in the movie.
Steppenwolf was there to get the team to unite, and to that end he worked very well.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 19, 2017 0:58:54 GMT -5
Ticket sales wise, DC kind of poisoned the well themselves. BvS was huge the first weekend, but was such a garbage fire that it's made everything since iffy. Suicide Squad did the exact same business and was the exact same garbage fire. Wonder Woman was the outlier where word of mouth really helped. I liked JL a lot, but DC is going to have a string of good movies to engender some goodwill. The question becomes do they have enough patience for that
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 19, 2017 1:00:11 GMT -5
They might need to pull a First Class
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Post by Savage Gambino on Nov 19, 2017 1:52:15 GMT -5
If this film loses a bunch of money, I have no idea where this DC Universe even goes. I guess they can do another Suicide Squad since it really isn't connected to much of these events. Maybe solo movies for the others, though after an ill received debut in JL I'm not sure people would care. Looking at the DC schedule, this is what they have in the works: - Aquaman (2018) - Shazam! (2019) - Wonder Woman 2 (2019) - Cyborg (2020) - Green Lantern Corps (2020) - Batgirl - The Batman - Black Adam - Flashpoint - Gotham City Sirens - Justice League Dark - Nightwing - Suicide Squad 2 - Deadshot - Deathstroke/Injustice League - Harley vs. Joker - Joker - Lobo - Man of Steel 2 - Justice League 2 I'm really not seeing any kind of cohesive plan here, and it all feels like they're throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks. It feels like they're just saying "Marvel's doing this, so we're going to do this too", which just isn't plausible. Hell, Marvel wasn't even doing what Marvel's doing until they had already established themselves as a reliable brand.
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 19, 2017 1:54:01 GMT -5
What do we have to do to get my Red Hood movie
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 19, 2017 2:06:28 GMT -5
It feels like they're just saying "Marvel's doing this, so we're going to do this too", which just isn't plausible. Hell, Marvel wasn't even doing what Marvel's doing until they had already established themselves as a reliable brand. Marvel at least had a game plan going in. If Iron Man and Hulk were hits they'd green light the rest of the Phase One movies, and if not they were kinda up shit creek. DC really didn't have anything planned past Man of Steel. Pretty much every movie on their upcoming list was given the go ahead in the first couple of months after BVS, like they suddenly panicked and figured quantity over quality might be a better track to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 2:17:51 GMT -5
It feels like they're just saying "Marvel's doing this, so we're going to do this too", which just isn't plausible. Hell, Marvel wasn't even doing what Marvel's doing until they had already established themselves as a reliable brand. Marvel at least had a game plan going in. If Iron Man and Hulk were hits they'd green light the rest of the Phase One movies, and if not they were kinda up shit creek. DC really didn't have anything planned past Man of Steel. Pretty much every movie on their upcoming list was given the go ahead in the first couple of months after BVS, like they suddenly panicked and figured quantity over quality might be a better track to follow. Honestly the entire thing feels like they just thought, "It's Dark Knight but Superman, Man of Steel will make a ton of money and be a beloved classic," and then when that didn't happen they panicked and rushed a Batman and Superman crossover to try and make bank off that, bungled that up by way of making the movie terrible, and pretty much sunk the universe in the process because there's now no anticipation for anything. I really think at this point their best venture would be just put the DC movies on ice for awhile besides riding out a Wonder Woman trilogy and then once that's done with, start fresh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 2:26:50 GMT -5
Saw it earlier tonight; it was extremely dumb but at least it wasn't offensively bad like Batman/Superman and Suicide Squad. Justice League basically just felt like a video game-y retread of the first two Avengers movies, with the biggest downsides being a schizophrenic tone and a completely unremarkable villain. There were some cool scenes in isolation but overall it's yet another DC movie I have no urge to ever see again (though as long as friends keep buying me tickets I'll keep going to these things).
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Nov 19, 2017 12:33:10 GMT -5
Box Office Mojo has it as $96M domestically for the weekend
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Post by Jiren on Nov 19, 2017 12:44:19 GMT -5
What do we have to do to get my Red Hood movie Nothing because a brilliant one already exists
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 19, 2017 12:52:35 GMT -5
Honestly, Red Hood, both story and movie was only ever ok to me.
I think what they lost in that being Bruce's greatest failing is greater than what they gained by having EVIL Jason Todd.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 19, 2017 12:57:12 GMT -5
That was just as bad as Dawn of Justice and Suicide Squad. The brief interactions between Superman and Flash and Gal Gadot trying her heart out were the only positives I can think of.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 13:39:36 GMT -5
This was much better than I expected it to be. I definitely think it could have been a lot better, but I certainly didn't hate it.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Nov 19, 2017 14:19:59 GMT -5
Box Office Mojo has it as $96M domestically for the weekend Oof. Not even breaching $100M.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 19, 2017 14:33:14 GMT -5
If this underperforms, I wonder if Flashpoint will be a reboot.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 19, 2017 14:33:58 GMT -5
If this underperforms, I wonder if Flashpoint will be a reboot. I wouldn't be surprised if it was originally supposed to reboot a few things anyway... but yeah I wouldn't be surprised if it's a complete reboot of everything. That said Flashpoint itself is another of DC's biggest problem. Beyond the dark tone, smearing mud on the camera or fundamentally failing to grasp a character or their motivations. (some of which are legitimate critiques.) They want BIG moments... but they don't want to earn them. Green Lantern - Hal is an asshole hey he gets the ring and now he's a hero... and hey here's the Lantern Corps... and here's Sinestro... and here's Hector Hammond... oh and now here's one of the biggest threats to the universe in Parallax... and Sinestro calls Hal awesome... and then for no reason puts on the yellow lantern ring. none of that got any time to breath or build menace (and some of it didn't make any damned sense fro ma story perspective either.) Man of Steel - Here's Zod whose entire point is that he is he has all the powers of Superman but none of his Humanity... and oh Superman was forced to kill him to get him to stop... etc. None of that works when in Universe... SUPERMAN ISN'T A THING. This was Superman's first outing as Superman... so having the evil counterpart in Zod makes 0 sense (this is not the only problem with Zod's charcter... throwing Checkov's gun out the window with the weakness they show, his actions being counter to his motivations, and them trying to play up Clark can't possibly beat him as he was trained since birth to be a super soldier... which is undermined in the first 5 minutes of the movie as Jor-el kicks his ass) and the take away from the death isn't "oh man Superman needed to kill this guy." It's ok this dude in Blue tights kills people... we better not piss him off." Batman V Superman. Let's do Dark Knight Returns only stupid and with none of the universe set up. Also Bruce will be a psychopath because of the death of a character WE HAVE NEVER SEEN.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 19, 2017 14:53:14 GMT -5
Marvel at least had a game plan going in. If Iron Man and Hulk were hits they'd green light the rest of the Phase One movies, and if not they were kinda up shit creek. DC really didn't have anything planned past Man of Steel. Pretty much every movie on their upcoming list was given the go ahead in the first couple of months after BVS, like they suddenly panicked and figured quantity over quality might be a better track to follow. Honestly the entire thing feels like they just thought, "It's Dark Knight but Superman, Man of Steel will make a ton of movie and be a beloved classic," and then when that didn't happen they panicked and rushed a Batman and Superman crossover to try and make bank off that, bungled that up by way of making the movie terrible, and pretty much sunk the universe in the process because there's now no anticipation for anything. I really think at this point their best venture would be just put the DC movies on ice for awhile besides riding out a Wonder Woman trilogy and then once that's done with, start fresh. The irony is that if they had just done, say, a straightforward Man of Steel 2 they likely would have gotten a much better reception; it wouldn't have been a movie burdened with having to cram in way too many characters and teases of future releases, and it could've been a chapter that allowed Superman to take the next step forward with his character - I felt that the end of Man of Steel was supposed to indicate that Clark had come to terms with who he is and what his lines/limits are, so a simpler sequel could've focused on him becoming more of the mature, altruistic Superman while still having to contend with a public that isn't sure whether to trust him or not. Also would've allowed a slower paced introduction for characters like Luthor and narrative features like kryptonite, and maybe just a couple of teases here and there of stuff that could relate to other DC movies. It's not like MoS did terrible business, just not the sky-high numbers WB wanted; a better, less crammed and "catch up with Marvel NOW!" sequel likely would've gotten a good reception. Then you could have a separate "The Batman" movie that gives a more story-driven explanation of why we see Bruce in the state he is, maintain a more noir-ish tone and really give Batman a full detective movie, and use that as some connective tissue where the story's ending has him going into Metropolis and then setting up a crossover with Superman. It's too late to do much of that, now, though, but I guess there are some options open. Justice League seemed to be a case of "get this thing out, get it over with, and let's move on"; glad to hear a lot of people here enjoyed it, and I'm hoping to feel good about it if I can see it this week, but it seemed like they wanted to get through the last of the Synder-led movies and now they may be moving in a new stylistic direction without doing a full reboot. Whether that'll be good or not I'd rather not guess. Kind of sucks, though; as misled as I think a number of Snyder's creative decisions were, I at least kind of admired that the people behind those flicks wanted to do something ambitious, and it would've been nice if they had gotten some room to breathe without WB going nuts on wanting to play catch-up with Marvel right the hell now. Just poorly thought out, thus bringing out poorer execution.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Nov 19, 2017 15:43:32 GMT -5
LDN Film A digital effects company have said they originally were working on an after credits scene that was cut. they also talked about another one that was actually leaked so it's possibly true. {Spoiler}"The original after credit scene that was shot in principal photography was Bruce being woken in the night in his lake house by a green light and being visited by Tomar Re and Kilowog. It was cut fairly early on during post," LDN_Film said..
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