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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 11, 2016 1:41:20 GMT -5
Owch. It's not a good showing when your most impressive move is advancing quickly towards your opponent and looking vaguely threatening.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Sept 11, 2016 1:42:41 GMT -5
What we really need to see now is if Gall can defeat Teddy Hart. You can't underestimate crazy.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2016 1:47:42 GMT -5
I'd take Fred Ettish over Punk. Fred actually learned from his loss and trained mma for years then fought again in the local circuit and won. Punk should follow his example.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Sept 11, 2016 1:51:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 1:52:44 GMT -5
In terms of UFC freak show slash gimmick fighters, is Punk a better or worse get than "Lights Out" James Toney? Punk is the "Pro wrestling vs. MMA!" 38 year old rookie No actual fights of any kind. Plenty of stiff pro wrestling matches. Nearly 20 years of pro wrestling. Fought an up-and-coming prospect (Mickey Gall) Was instantly taken down and submitted in the first round Immediately released following the loss. Toney is the "Boxing vs. MMA!" 42 year old MMA rookie Multi-year boxing career. No wrestling experience. More than 20 years of boxing (72-6-3 at the time) Fought a legitimate MMA Legend (Randy Couture) Was instantly taken down and submitted in the first round Immediately released following the loss. At least James Toney is a professional competitive fighter that would of beat Randy Couture in a boxing match. That's why Dana White made him fight Randy Couture an accomplished wrestler who is one of the smartest fighters of all time without an ounce of fighting ego who knows or wouldn't dare to try in fighting James Toney in a standup game.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2016 1:55:27 GMT -5
The gap between trained and untrained is massive. CM Punk didn't suck, Mickey Gall is just that good. He's been training over a decade. Of COURSE he'd kill Punk. He'd kill a lot of the guys they put him in there against. I train. I am a mediocre BJJ and judo student. I teach classes part time for newbies and beginners. I don't suck, but I'm not very good. I don't think of myself as tough, but I have seen the gap before. I have seen tough, athletic, brave people come in and still get dummied. Even people who aren't totally new. The mockery of Punk bothers me. It's the first time in my life where I'm going "If you did this, you'd understand how hard it really is." which is something I HATE when wrestlers say. If nothing else, this fight gave me a lot to think about. I've been meaning to respond to this, if you had the opportunity and qualify for Abu Dhabi or the Eddie Bravo Invitational, you wouldn't be insulting your opponents. Punk has done it, then he also insulted fighters like Cathal Pendred and actually mocked him because Punk made more money. He also sabotaged a reporter months ago telling the UFC that he didn't wanted to talk with him ever again just because he asked punk stuff about the wwe. In a way the mockery is justified. Punk presented himself as a badass and a prick and got exposed badly. I got all the respect in the world for you for taking the time to teach newbies, I wish that my trainers would've taken the time and I think my experience would've been more enjoyable.
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Post by dreidemy on Sept 11, 2016 2:04:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 2:06:41 GMT -5
The gap between trained and untrained is massive. CM Punk didn't suck, Mickey Gall is just that good. He's been training over a decade. Of COURSE he'd kill Punk. He'd kill a lot of the guys they put him in there against. I train. I am a mediocre BJJ and judo student. I teach classes part time for newbies and beginners. I don't suck, but I'm not very good. I don't think of myself as tough, but I have seen the gap before. I have seen tough, athletic, brave people come in and still get dummied. Even people who aren't totally new. The mockery of Punk bothers me. It's the first time in my life where I'm going "If you did this, you'd understand how hard it really is." which is something I HATE when wrestlers say. If nothing else, this fight gave me a lot to think about. I've been meaning to respond to this, if you had the opportunity and qualify for Abu Dhabi or the Eddie Bravo Invitational, you wouldn't be insulting your opponents. Punk has done it, then he also insulted fighters like Cathal Pendred and actually mocked him because Punk made more money. He also sabotaged a reporter months ago telling the UFC that he didn't wanted to talk with him ever again just because he asked punk stuff about the wwe. In a way the mockery is justified. Punk presented himself as a badass and a prick and got exposed badly. I got all the respect in the world for you for taking the time to teach newbies, I wish that my trainers would've taken the time and I think my experience would've been more enjoyable. He didn't trash talk his opponents, as far as I know. He spoke of Gall with a fair amount of respect. Did he shake his hand at the weigh in? No. Because he's there to fight the guy and he doesn't think it makes sense. This is the exact same logic Clay Guida has used for not bumping fists in the cage for years. Punk did an interview with Fox where he specifically said he was going to take his time training because it would take a long time for him to be ready for the cage. Pendred tweeted out a portion of that video with disparaging comments about Punk's ability on the pads. So yeah, Punk gave him some shit back. Right thing to do? I don't care. Punk's under no obligation to be polite to people who decide to start mocking him out of nowhere. He's a dick, sure, but the Pendred beef came out of him trying to be humble and Pendred being a dick about it. The reporter thing, I don't know. It's also worth noting that I mean...frankly, Punk's attitude has nothing to do with what I said.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2016 2:11:59 GMT -5
I've been meaning to respond to this, if you had the opportunity and qualify for Abu Dhabi or the Eddie Bravo Invitational, you wouldn't be insulting your opponents. Punk has done it, then he also insulted fighters like Cathal Pendred and actually mocked him because Punk made more money. He also sabotaged a reporter months ago telling the UFC that he didn't wanted to talk with him ever again just because he asked punk stuff about the wwe. In a way the mockery is justified. Punk presented himself as a badass and a prick and got exposed badly. I got all the respect in the world for you for taking the time to teach newbies, I wish that my trainers would've taken the time and I think my experience would've been more enjoyable. He didn't trash talk his opponents, as far as I know. He spoke of Gall with a fair amount of respect. Did he shake his hand at the weigh in? No. Because he's there to fight the guy and he doesn't think it makes sense. This is the exact same logic Clay Guida has used for not bumping fists in the cage for years. Punk did an interview with Fox where he specifically said he was going to take his time training because it would take a long time for him to be ready for the cage. Pendred tweeted out a portion of that video with disparaging comments about Punk's ability on the pads. So yeah, Punk gave him some shit back. Right thing to do? I don't care. Punk's under no obligation to be polite to people who decide to start mocking him out of nowhere. He's a dick, sure, but the Pendred beef came out of him trying to be humble and Pendred being a dick about it. The reporter thing, I don't know. It's also worth noting that I mean...frankly, Punk's attitude has nothing to do with what I said. He insulted Gall, he said his two opponents were tomato cans, he also mocked his salary and said that if he missed weight, and they gave him a percentage of punk's purse it would be the most money he would see in his life. He also appeared in a fox sports interview and said that he was gonna try to kill Gall. I don't mind not shaking hands right before the fight like Guida because he earned it, same as the Diaz brothers. All I'm saying is that as a newcomer, Punk should've shown more respect, and I think that some of the mockery wouldn't be as severe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 2:16:10 GMT -5
He didn't trash talk his opponents, as far as I know. He spoke of Gall with a fair amount of respect. Did he shake his hand at the weigh in? No. Because he's there to fight the guy and he doesn't think it makes sense. This is the exact same logic Clay Guida has used for not bumping fists in the cage for years. Punk did an interview with Fox where he specifically said he was going to take his time training because it would take a long time for him to be ready for the cage. Pendred tweeted out a portion of that video with disparaging comments about Punk's ability on the pads. So yeah, Punk gave him some shit back. Right thing to do? I don't care. Punk's under no obligation to be polite to people who decide to start mocking him out of nowhere. He's a dick, sure, but the Pendred beef came out of him trying to be humble and Pendred being a dick about it. The reporter thing, I don't know. It's also worth noting that I mean...frankly, Punk's attitude has nothing to do with what I said. He insulted Gall, he said his two opponents were tomato cans, he also mocked his salary and said that if he missed weight, and they gave him a percentage of punk's purse it would be the most money he would see in his life. He also appeared in a fox sports interview and said that he was gonna try to kill Gall. I don't mind not shaking hands right before the fight like Guida because he earned it, same as the Diaz brothers. All I'm saying is that as a newcomer, Punk should've shown more respect, and I think that some of the mockery wouldn't be as severe. Fair enough. I clean forgot about the Tomato can thing, and I didn't see the "most money" interview. Gall said the same thing about Punk in regards to the looking to kill him thing. That's the kind of stupid nonsense tons of MMA fighters say. I'm not going to respond to any more responses to this. You've made some great points (I especially appreciate being reminded of the tomato can thing), but yeah, too many of the posts in here are frustrating me.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Sept 11, 2016 2:22:07 GMT -5
Punk was embarrassingly bad. Looked like a random fan dropped in the octagon. When people post "do you even lift bro" Punk is who they picture.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 11, 2016 2:38:25 GMT -5
The dumbest thing he did the entire fight was rushing in like that. Gall let him come right to him.
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Post by kidglov3s on Sept 11, 2016 3:25:13 GMT -5
The dumbest thing he did the entire fight was rushing in like that. Gall let him come right to him. That was also the only thing he did, ha ha.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Sept 11, 2016 3:36:00 GMT -5
He insulted Gall, he said his 2 opponents were tomato cans. Only thing incorrect about that statement is now it's 3.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Sept 11, 2016 5:07:35 GMT -5
I guess his arms were just too short to box with Gall
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Sept 11, 2016 5:34:58 GMT -5
Remember the storyline on 'Friends' when Monica's boyfriend tried to make it in UFC? That's what just happened to Punk.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Sept 11, 2016 5:58:08 GMT -5
I know Punk's the main thing folks are discussing, but as an aside, f*** Travis Browne: {Spoiler} (Spoilered it because it's gnarly as f***) Was funny seeing Werdum teep the walking piece of shit that is Edmund Tarverdyn
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Post by sternrogers01 on Sept 11, 2016 6:17:53 GMT -5
Harlem Heat and MVP were there
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Post by zappa on Sept 11, 2016 6:29:32 GMT -5
Nobody can call Punk selfish. He puts over young talent and makes them look strong.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 11, 2016 6:41:57 GMT -5
He should have started fighting guys like Spider Rico and building up his skills and experience.
I know he said "you either go big or go home", but usually most people without market value earned in a completely different field don't have that option.
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