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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 11, 2016 10:16:06 GMT -5
I'm not an MMA expert, and I'm sure someone will correct me(hell I want you to), but I don't think is normal for Punk to move like he's from Street Fighter II. Not normal, Gall said that punk would forget everything he was thought by Duke once the octagon door closed. That Punk hadn't developed enough muscle memory to remember everything that he was supposed to do. Chael Sonnen in his podcast said that you really start getting comfortable fighting after your third fight, that he couldn't even hear what his corner was saying in his first fights because he was so nervous. Brock Lesnar lost his first fight with Mir because he instinctively offered his leg out like he would to his training partner. Punk pretty much sold a spear instead of just going for the ol' knee to the face that would have probably put Gall on the floor.
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Post by Red Impact on Sept 11, 2016 10:38:51 GMT -5
The gap between trained and untrained is massive. CM Punk didn't suck, Mickey Gall is just that good. He's been training over a decade. Of COURSE he'd kill Punk. He'd kill a lot of the guys they put him in there against. I train. I am a mediocre BJJ and judo student. I teach classes part time for newbies and beginners. I don't suck, but I'm not very good. I don't think of myself as tough, but I have seen the gap before. I have seen tough, athletic, brave people come in and still get dummied. Even people who aren't totally new. The mockery of Punk bothers me. It's the first time in my life where I'm going "If you did this, you'd understand how hard it really is." which is something I HATE when wrestlers say. If nothing else, this fight gave me a lot to think about. I took Tae Kwon Do for about 10 years and Judo for a brief while (the person teaching the course had to stop for other work related things). While there is an obvious difference between the two types of sport, I do get what you're saying. One of the biggest problems with traditional martial arts are the black belt mills, where unskilled teachers basically promise people a black belt in 1-2 years for an ego boost. My school it took me most of that decade to get it and I still felt like I was awful. Occasionally, you'd run across the difference in tournaments, whenever someone from a mill school found themself facing someone from a traditional school and would wind up losing very, very badly. Punk was never going to win unless White gave him an opponent on his skill level, which he didn't. He gave him a young fighter with 5x the training time and previous fight experience. I can't begrudge Punk for losing that, he never had a chance. It takes a long time to develop the instincts you need for a combat sport, and I do respect that he wanted to try it. But I do think people can criticize Punk for using his celebrity status to leverage into a spot he knew he didn't 'deserve.' Sure, he's not the only party in the situation that deserves criticism for it, but he shouldn't be absolved from it just because he took that chance.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2016 10:59:56 GMT -5
Not normal, Gall said that punk would forget everything he was thought by Duke once the octagon door closed. That Punk hadn't developed enough muscle memory to remember everything that he was supposed to do. Chael Sonnen in his podcast said that you really start getting comfortable fighting after your third fight, that he couldn't even hear what his corner was saying in his first fights because he was so nervous. Brock Lesnar lost his first fight with Mir because he instinctively offered his leg out like he would to his training partner. Punk pretty much sold a spear instead of just going for the ol' knee to the face that would have probably put Gall on the floor. Yeah but Brock was winning the fight and he was fighting against a top ranked guy and former champ in Mir.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Sept 11, 2016 11:30:04 GMT -5
It usually always turns fans against you if you do it. People did it with Rousey when she refused to touch gloves with Holm. Punk probably knew exactly what he was doing. Punk really should have shook hands. If you're entering any sport, especially one that's relatively new and still somewhat having trouble getting a considerable amount of people to think it's a sport, you show sportsmanship. Otherwise it makes everything look bad, especially with all the new eyes he probably put on UFC/MMA. I'll give a pass on punk on this one, the first time that he met Gall people criticized him by approaching him in a friendly way and not posing in a menacing way. In weigh ins they should hype the match as two guys who have a beef to generate some expectation. So in that sense Punk couldn't win in either way, so better let him hype the match Still, I hate that punk fighted on the main card, he should have earned his spot there, otherwise, makes the UFC looks like a circus rather that a top competition. Also this makes him look like an Hypocrite
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Sept 11, 2016 11:58:51 GMT -5
Really, the result is exactly what I was expecting in that sense that the only positive you can gleam from his performance is that he held off the choke attempts a couple times.
I've been training BJJ for about three months, and aside from the couple times I roll with a guy that started after me, where I can try to use an offensive technique or two, all of my rolling is either me surviving or tapping. Honestly there have been times I fought off a similar choke for about the same time Punk did where I considered it a victory.
I feel bad in the sense that he didn't really get a chance to show much of anything that would have constituted the last two years of his life training, but Gall had no reason to do anything else other than take him down and sub him like that. To that end, I'm sure Punk probably feels like he failed a bit even aside from the loss. He's a very proud guy so I'm sure that's what's hurting more today than the actual punches.
I hope now he can just move on and do something else. Maybe acting would be a better avenue to go into at this point since if anything, this whole UFC story showed that can he can really work a crowd and entertain people. In the last two days, he came off confident and convincing enough that people thought he might have a chance.
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Post by darthpipes on Sept 11, 2016 12:03:39 GMT -5
Strange night of fighting but at least it finished strong with the main event. Big win for Miocic and impressive comeback. I can't see him beating a healthy and motivated Cain but if he does, maybe that would convince Cormier to rise up in weight to challenge him.
I hope so because the heavyweight division is not in a good way right now. Miocic is a breath of fresh air. You have three ex-champions who are really good in Fabricio (who is acting really weird now), Cain and JDS but you literally have no one one the horizon as an original opponent. It's just this list of four champions, many of who have fought each other already (three times in Cain and JDS's case). The heavyweight division is not a promising one at the moment.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 11, 2016 12:47:09 GMT -5
Punk really should have shook hands. If you're entering any sport, especially one that's relatively new and still somewhat having trouble getting a considerable amount of people to think it's a sport, you show sportsmanship. Otherwise it makes everything look bad, especially with all the new eyes he probably put on UFC/MMA. I'll give a pass on punk on this one, the first time that he met Gall people criticized him by approaching him in a friendly way and not posing in a menacing way. In weigh ins they should hype the match as two guys who have a beef to generate some expectation. So in that sense Punk couldn't win in either way, so better let him hype the match No, he'd win by shaking hands like a respectable participant in a sport he'd inadvertently become a gateway ambassador to for a prospectivenew audience. You can hype dislike at weigh-ins, that's fine, but there's no other professional sport where someone would not accept a handshake like that. He treated it like pro-wrestling, the one thing he promised he wouldn't do. That, to me, is the bigger loss than the fight itself. For a man so built on principle, Punk compromised. After all that's happened over the past almost-two years since the announcement, that's *the* moment where Punk loses any and all leeway of "longtime MMA fan who gets a tremendous opportunity and just happens to be a one-time wrestler" and instead just becomes "inexperienced pro-wrestler trying to fight in UFC."
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Post by abjordans on Sept 11, 2016 12:59:06 GMT -5
Is that pic making the rounds of HHH smiling while Punk is getting clwaned up real?
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2016 13:18:22 GMT -5
Really, the result is exactly what I was expecting in that sense that the only positive you can gleam from his performance is that he held off the choke attempts a couple times. I've been training BJJ for about three months, and aside from the couple times I roll with a guy that started after me, where I can try to use an offensive technique or two, all of my rolling is either me surviving or tapping. Honestly there have been times I fought off a similar choke for about the same time Punk did where I considered it a victory. I feel bad in the sense that he didn't really get a chance to show much of anything that would have constituted the last two years of his life training, but Gall had no reason to do anything else other than take him down and sub him like that. To that end, I'm sure Punk probably feels like he failed a bit even aside from the loss. He's a very proud guy so I'm sure that's what's hurting more today than the actual punches. I hope now he can just move on and do something else. Maybe acting would be a better avenue to go into at this point since if anything, this whole UFC story showed that can he can really work a crowd and entertain people. In the last two days, he came off confident and convincing enough that people thought he might have a chance. Bjj is awesome and I hope that your experience is a really positive and fun one for you. Regarding Punk's next move, putting a tin foil conspiracy theory hat, the lawsuit Amann filed against him is draining his bank account, I don't think acting would pay him as much as he needs. Again I'm just guessing and I can't claim it as fact.
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Post by ookkie on Sept 11, 2016 13:20:17 GMT -5
...it really IS like a video game fighter on the move, but one of those situations where you're facing the computer and your controller is jammed and all you can do is watch as your guy helplessly walks into a combo move.
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Post by dav on Sept 11, 2016 13:36:31 GMT -5
Oddly enough, I was thinking of Punk looking like a SFII loss in that picture of him.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Sept 11, 2016 13:44:45 GMT -5
Really, the result is exactly what I was expecting in that sense that the only positive you can gleam from his performance is that he held off the choke attempts a couple times. I've been training BJJ for about three months, and aside from the couple times I roll with a guy that started after me, where I can try to use an offensive technique or two, all of my rolling is either me surviving or tapping. Honestly there have been times I fought off a similar choke for about the same time Punk did where I considered it a victory. I feel bad in the sense that he didn't really get a chance to show much of anything that would have constituted the last two years of his life training, but Gall had no reason to do anything else other than take him down and sub him like that. To that end, I'm sure Punk probably feels like he failed a bit even aside from the loss. He's a very proud guy so I'm sure that's what's hurting more today than the actual punches. I hope now he can just move on and do something else. Maybe acting would be a better avenue to go into at this point since if anything, this whole UFC story showed that can he can really work a crowd and entertain people. In the last two days, he came off confident and convincing enough that people thought he might have a chance. Bjj is awesome and I hope that your experience is a really positive and fun one for you. Regarding Punk's next move, putting a tin foil conspiracy theory hat, the lawsuit Amann filed against him is draining his bank account, I don't think acting would pay him as much as he needs. Again I'm just guessing and I can't claim it as fact. Oh definitely. Even though you start out getting manhandled every roll, it is a blast. I think it's been a blast for Punk too to go through the training camp and whatnot. But any white belt going against a brown belt is going to look basically like what we saw, or what I feel when I'm working at passing at guard and three seconds later, I'm in a triangle choke. The only difference is that I'm getting choked out next to twenty guys and girls focusing on their own rolls, and Punk got choked out in front of hundreds of thousands of people whom he was trying to prove wrong. That can't be fun. As far as the conspiracy goes, I can imagine that along with the pain of losing so handily, his wallet felt a little robbed after paying for two years of elite training. That being said, I'm pretty confident that the PPV as weird as it was did a good buy rate, so I'm sure he's going to get paid a lot more than he earned in that fight itself. At this point, I'm just not sure what he's going to want to do. If he wrestles, he might feel like he's crawling back, even though a lot of us would welcome him back. He could write more comic books, though the reviews for the ones he did seem kind of mixed. I think he could also easily find a spot doing film projects or podcasts. He's not a dumb guy, I think he could do other stuff in the entertainment realm. Just... the MMA fighter thing, I think that needs to stay a hobby.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 11, 2016 13:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by mo on Sept 11, 2016 15:38:37 GMT -5
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2016 15:50:03 GMT -5
Man f*** Travis Browne, it's not the first time he's poking, that's why we hate him so much and why we pop when he gets ktfo
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Post by zappa on Sept 11, 2016 16:15:50 GMT -5
Is Punk stuck with that cauliflower ear for life?
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Post by Andy Martin on Sept 11, 2016 16:40:25 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar lost his first fight with Mir because he instinctively offered his leg out like he would to his training partner. Punk pretty much sold a spear instead of just going for the ol' knee to the face that would have probably put Gall on the floor. Yeah but Brock was winning the fight and he was fighting against a top ranked guy and former champ in Mir. And it was a f***ing TERRIBLE standup by Mazzagatti. So much so that Brock requested(if not had it written into his contract) that he not officiate one of Brock's fights again.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 11, 2016 17:00:24 GMT -5
Is Punk stuck with that cauliflower ear for life? If he got it treated quickly it'll likely heal up just fine. I got my ear banged up real good playing rugby so I needed to have blood drained from it and had to take antibiotics for a while, and it healed without any noticeable difference.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Sept 11, 2016 20:30:44 GMT -5
I would pop if Punk fires Duke and hires f***ing Edmond Tarverdyan as his coach.
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Post by mo on Sept 11, 2016 20:46:39 GMT -5
Yeah but Brock was winning the fight and he was fighting against a top ranked guy and former champ in Mir. And it was a f***ing TERRIBLE standup by Mazzagatti. So much so that Brock requested(if not had it written into his contract) that he not officiate one of Brock's fights again. Yup, I've always thought that Brock got screwed in that fight.
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