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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Sept 15, 2016 9:40:02 GMT -5
I'd say my one issue with last season is that the payoff to it all sucked. It wanted to make fun of Outrage Culture without actually addressing the assholes on the other side of the spectrum, aka the real life Eric Cartmans who use "Free Speech" as an excuse to be an asshole. If they would focus their attention on people who deserve to be mocked, like them, I might become interested in the show again. I'm sure they're building to something
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Sept 15, 2016 15:40:55 GMT -5
Damn they hooked me with the opening scene at the volleyball game and it just got even better from there. Think we're in for a good season.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Sept 15, 2016 19:38:11 GMT -5
Man, this new episode was very weak. I have all the faith in the world that the season will ultimately be good, but I really did not like this one. It might be my least favorite episode in the entire series.
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Post by fw91 on Sept 15, 2016 19:44:02 GMT -5
more of the same with this new "continuity" format of recent years. Decent stories, interesting to see where it goes, its just not over the top funny like it was in the past. Only chuckled a few times.
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Post by Dub H on Sept 15, 2016 22:25:16 GMT -5
Man, this new episode was very weak. I have all the faith in the world that the season will ultimately be good, but I really did not like this one. It might be my least favorite episode in the entire series. It was very lacking ,too much setup,not enough joke Might be because i gave 0 shits about the national song or kneeling thing.
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Post by BRV on Sept 16, 2016 20:21:44 GMT -5
I'd say my one issue with last season is that the payoff to it all sucked. It wanted to make fun of Outrage Culture without actually addressing the assholes on the other side of the spectrum, aka the real life Eric Cartmans who use "Free Speech" as an excuse to be an asshole. If they would focus their attention on people who deserve to be mocked, like them, I might become interested in the show again. I think you'll be waiting for a long time if you expect "South Park" to attack free speech, even people who use it simply as a defense to be cruel or hateful, because if it weren't for free speech, "South Park" wouldn't be in its 20th season. As I said last year, I think Trey Parker and Matt Stone have seen the writing on the walls and the shift change in society, where everyone is so on their guard and so on their toes on both sides of the argument - people who are ready to say something that could be perceived as offensive and people who are ready to call for their heads and their jobs if and when they do say something that could be perceived as offensive - and they're bothered by it. And I think they're bothered by it because they know that if they didn't have 18 years of goodwill built up, their show would be a candidate to be on the chopping block because it is "offensive" or "politically incorrect". For example, let's say South Park is a brand-new show that premiered on Comedy Central this past Wednesday. If their second episode was "The Succubus", "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000", "The Wacky Molestation Adventure", or "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina", they wouldn't have had the opportunity to get a third episode. They would have been off the air and would have become pariahs. Forget what those episodes actually meant or the point they tried to convey, there would be groups that would say that Parker and Stone hate women ("The Succubus"), think black people are being coddled ("Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000"), are making light of child molestation ("The Wacky Molestation Adventure") or are transphobic ("Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina) and would be sounding the trumpets to have the show taken off the air. I think they realize that and, especially in the aftermath of the "200" and "201" controversy in 2010, they realized they'll never again let outside forces dictate to them again, even if it costs them the show. Free speech means a lot to these two because six years ago they had people literally threatening their lives over what they were saying. I think they'd rather take that risk and go down with the ship than tip-toe around a subject at the risk of being offensive. These two have long held the belief that you can either say anything or you can say nothing. And the moment that you say one word, one joke, or one subject is off limits, then everything's off limits, and then they realize there's no point in the show.
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Post by Venti on Sept 16, 2016 20:25:44 GMT -5
If they would focus their attention on people who deserve to be mocked, like them, I might become interested in the show again. I think you'll be waiting for a long time if you expect "South Park" to attack free speech, even people who use it simply as a defense to be cruel or hateful, because if it weren't for free speech, "South Park" wouldn't be in its 20th season. As I said last year, I think Trey Parker and Matt Stone have seen the writing on the walls and the shift change in society, where everyone is so on their guard and so on their toes on both sides of the argument - people who are ready to say something that could be perceived as offensive and people who are ready to call for their heads and their jobs if and when they do say something that could be perceived as offensive - and they're bothered by it. And I think they're bothered by it because they know that if they didn't have 18 years of goodwill built up, their show would be a candidate to be on the chopping block because it is "offensive" or "politically incorrect". For example, let's say South Park is a brand-new show that premiered on Comedy Central this past Wednesday. If their second episode was "The Succubus", "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000", "The Wacky Molestation Adventure", or "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina", they wouldn't have had the opportunity to get a third episode. They would have been off the air and would have become pariahs. Forget what those episodes actually meant or the point they tried to convey, there would be groups that would say that Parker and Stone hate women ("The Succubus"), think black people are being coddled ("Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000"), are making light of child molestation ("The Wacky Molestation Adventure") or are transphobic ("Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina) and would be sounding the trumpets to have the show taken off the air. I think they realize that and, especially in the aftermath of the "200" and "201" controversy in 2010, they realized they'll never again let outside forces dictate to them again, even if it costs them the show. Free speech means a lot to these two because six years ago they had people literally threatening their lives over what they were saying. I think they'd rather take that risk and go down with the ship than tip-toe around a subject at the risk of being offensive. These two have long held the belief that you can either say anything or you can say nothing. And the moment that you say one word, one joke, or one subject is off limits, then everything's off limits, and then they realize there's no point in the show. And that is why I love South Park still. It feels like a one true holdover from an era where people were way less sensitive and could take a good old fashioned inappropriate joke.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 17, 2016 1:30:54 GMT -5
I think you'll be waiting for a long time if you expect "South Park" to attack free speech, even people who use it simply as a defense to be cruel or hateful, because if it weren't for free speech, "South Park" wouldn't be in its 20th season. As I said last year, I think Trey Parker and Matt Stone have seen the writing on the walls and the shift change in society, where everyone is so on their guard and so on their toes on both sides of the argument - people who are ready to say something that could be perceived as offensive and people who are ready to call for their heads and their jobs if and when they do say something that could be perceived as offensive - and they're bothered by it. And I think they're bothered by it because they know that if they didn't have 18 years of goodwill built up, their show would be a candidate to be on the chopping block because it is "offensive" or "politically incorrect". For example, let's say South Park is a brand-new show that premiered on Comedy Central this past Wednesday. If their second episode was "The Succubus", "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000", "The Wacky Molestation Adventure", or "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina", they wouldn't have had the opportunity to get a third episode. They would have been off the air and would have become pariahs. Forget what those episodes actually meant or the point they tried to convey, there would be groups that would say that Parker and Stone hate women ("The Succubus"), think black people are being coddled ("Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000"), are making light of child molestation ("The Wacky Molestation Adventure") or are transphobic ("Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina) and would be sounding the trumpets to have the show taken off the air. I think they realize that and, especially in the aftermath of the "200" and "201" controversy in 2010, they realized they'll never again let outside forces dictate to them again, even if it costs them the show. Free speech means a lot to these two because six years ago they had people literally threatening their lives over what they were saying. I think they'd rather take that risk and go down with the ship than tip-toe around a subject at the risk of being offensive. These two have long held the belief that you can either say anything or you can say nothing. And the moment that you say one word, one joke, or one subject is off limits, then everything's off limits, and then they realize there's no point in the show. And that is why I love South Park still. It feels like a one true holdover from an era where people were way less sensitive and could take a good old fashioned inappropriate joke. That's why I don't. I'm beyond bored with their style of humor. Also, there are far too many people with honest to god hateful opinions who claim they enjoy South Park because they feel they're somehow being spoken to. The kind, like Crimson meant, who use "free speech" as a smokescreen to be a sexist or a bigot. I- well, at least I hope so- would like to believe that Parker and Stone would find that unsettling. I certainly do.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 17, 2016 3:34:48 GMT -5
And that is why I love South Park still. It feels like a one true holdover from an era where people were way less sensitive and could take a good old fashioned inappropriate joke. That's why I don't. I'm beyond bored with their style of humor. Also, there are far too many people with honest to god hateful opinions who claim they enjoy South Park because they feel they're somehow being spoken to. The kind, like Crimson meant, who use "free speech" as a smokescreen to be a sexist or a bigot. I- well, at least I hope so- would like to believe that Parker and Stone would find that unsettling. I certainly do. That's why they make it astoundingly clear that everyone in South Park hates Cartman. They're basically going "Hey, this loser is you"
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Sept 17, 2016 3:46:56 GMT -5
That's why I don't. I'm beyond bored with their style of humor. Also, there are far too many people with honest to god hateful opinions who claim they enjoy South Park because they feel they're somehow being spoken to. The kind, like Crimson meant, who use "free speech" as a smokescreen to be a sexist or a bigot. I- well, at least I hope so- would like to believe that Parker and Stone would find that unsettling. I certainly do. That's why they make it astoundingly clear that everyone in South Park hates Cartman. They're basically going "Hey, this loser is you" Well, a lot of people I've encountered don't seem to realize that about Cartman. And I find that scary.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 17, 2016 4:14:45 GMT -5
That's why they make it astoundingly clear that everyone in South Park hates Cartman. They're basically going "Hey, this loser is you" Well, a lot of people I've encountered don't seem to realize that about Cartman. And I find that scary. Then those people are even stupider than the character who is supposed to be parodying them.
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Post by Legion on Sept 17, 2016 8:53:35 GMT -5
I did not laugh once.
That was incredibly weak episode from my stand point. The recycled election jokes about douches and turds, the pointless story about the national anthem and PC Principal, whose such a one note joke, being back - none of it make me laugh.
Even the big reveal at the end left me cold.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Sept 17, 2016 9:09:19 GMT -5
I did not laugh once. That was incredibly weak episode from my stand point. The recycled election jokes about douches and turds, the pointless story about the national anthem and PC Principal, whose such a one note joke, being back - none of it make me laugh. Even the big reveal at the end left me cold. It wasn't pointless. It was the culmination of Garrison's story in the episode while building up to more shenanigans from him and it was meant to mock the controversy surrounding Kapernick. You may not have laughed, but that doesn't make it pointless.
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Sept 17, 2016 9:37:52 GMT -5
south park is never pointless, it rarely misses the mark, and the new series isn't going fail in that! the FACT it started with eric's bloody t-shirt proves that and i fully expect mr garrison to have a FULL HEAD OF HAIR by at least episode three, and his plan backfiring magnificently ..... BUT THAT'S THE POINT! with all the vitriol swirling round ..... and of course it recycles ..... that's the joke and THAT storytime, lovely cut to kyle storming in and dragging cartman out, forget it redhead, you ain't never gonna be out of his shenanigans! it may have "softened" but it can still hit hard and i BLOODY LOVE IT!!! FOUR MORE YEARS at leastFOUR MORE YEARS at least
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Post by Jiren on Sept 17, 2016 9:43:13 GMT -5
Good episode but I didn't get all of the political jokes since I'm not american and don't follow american politics (I know the basics about Trump & Hillary)
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Post by Cyno on Sept 17, 2016 10:15:16 GMT -5
That episode was weak, boring, and felt really phoned in. It's become Family Guy.
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Post by BRV on Sept 17, 2016 10:29:46 GMT -5
Also, there are far too many people with honest to god hateful opinions who claim they enjoy South Park because they feel they're somehow being spoken to. The kind, like Crimson meant, who use "free speech" as a smokescreen to be a sexist or a bigot. I- well, at least I hope so- would like to believe that Parker and Stone would find that unsettling. I certainly do. Again, remember back to 2010 when Parker and Stone literally had people threatening their lives in the aftermath of "200". I think they will forever find it more unsettling that people are willing to go to that lengths to stifle someone's opinion. The people calling for their heads six years ago were basically saying, "Don't say this and if you do, we'll kill you." And I think that forever altered their perspective on the idea of free speech and how people can weaponize the idea that not all speech is free.
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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 19, 2016 16:57:46 GMT -5
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Post by chazraps on Sept 19, 2016 17:06:19 GMT -5
That's why they make it astoundingly clear that everyone in South Park hates Cartman. They're basically going "Hey, this loser is you" Well, a lot of people I've encountered don't seem to realize that about Cartman. And I find that scary. Isn't that kind of the same thing with how people felt about Archie Bunker during All in the Family's heyday?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Sept 19, 2016 17:30:14 GMT -5
And that is why I love South Park still. It feels like a one true holdover from an era where people were way less sensitive and could take a good old fashioned inappropriate joke. That's why I don't. I'm beyond bored with their style of humor. Yeah you've expressed this many times now, not sure you need to keep filling South Park threads with how much you are not a fan of the show.
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