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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Sept 12, 2016 12:02:24 GMT -5
Looks like this might be the biggest non-Mcgregor/Rousey ppv since either UFC 183 or 182. Buyrate is rumored to be somewhere around 600k - 800k
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 12, 2016 12:06:41 GMT -5
Well he should give his money back if he really beleived what he said on what the likes of Rock and Lesnar got from WM29. Why? Punk's gripe is based on the fact that Rock and Lesnar were parachuted in to the world championship scene in a way that did nothing for the people around them. Punk spent months effectively treading water with the world title, having meaningless feuds because everyone knew he was going to lose to the Rock, who would then take the belt and not defend it until Wrestlemania where he'd lose it to someone who's already as over as he's ever going to get. That does nothing for Punk, nothing for the WWE main event scene because the champ is clearly a placeholder and the guy with the belt isn't promoting the show, isn't doing much of anything to build the feud, hell, Lesnar basically said he couldn't give a **** if what he does damages the WWE's drawing ability. Punk didn't harm anyone's career by appearing on one card, he did a lot of work to prepare and in the build up just like everyone else. They didn't book anyone to look bad to build him up and he's not being gifted a title to disappear with for weeks on end and anyone displaced by Punk will get a fight on the next card. Punk got his clock cleaned, Gall will have a little momentum going into his next fight, everyone on the card likely got more money than they would have and Mr. Brooks will ride off into the sunset with a respect for the sport. Also Mickey Gall wouldn't even be in the UFC right now if now for the Punk fight. WWE didn't sign any young kid and give them the opportunity to wrestle The Rock or Brock Lesnar.
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Post by saintpat on Sept 12, 2016 12:06:46 GMT -5
Anyone who ever paid attention to my posts knows I'm not an admirer of CM Punk as a human being in any way (although the at times I liked some of his wrestling work, especially the SES period). I don't like him, period.
But all I have to say about this is that I admire the courage of anyone who steps into the octagon or a boxing ring for real. It's a big risk health-wise, you put yourself out there to look ridiculous and be made fun of when it doesn't go your way and it takes a brave person to do it.
So I'll applaud him for trying. I also think he needs to hang it up now before he does get hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 12:07:47 GMT -5
Anyone who ever paid attention to my posts knows I'm not an admirer of CM Punk as a human being in any way (although the at times I liked some of his wrestling work, especially the SES period). I don't like him, period. But all I have to say about this is that I admire the courage of anyone who steps into the octagon or a boxing ring for real. It's a big risk health-wise, you put yourself out there to look ridiculous and be made fun of when it doesn't go your way and it takes a brave person to do it. So I'll applaud him for trying. I also think he needs to hang it up now before he does get hurt. This I will agree with.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 12, 2016 12:44:10 GMT -5
Anyone who ever paid attention to my posts knows I'm not an admirer of CM Punk as a human being in any way (although the at times I liked some of his wrestling work, especially the SES period). I don't like him, period. But all I have to say about this is that I admire the courage of anyone who steps into the octagon or a boxing ring for real. It's a big risk health-wise, you put yourself out there to look ridiculous and be made fun of when it doesn't go your way and it takes a brave person to do it. So I'll applaud him for trying. I also think he needs to hang it up now before he does get hurt. I'm not sure what's so admirable about it. I'll grant it takes either a lot of balls or a lot of insanity (or both) to go somewhere where the great odds are that you're going to get your ass kicked (and possibly permanently hurt), but I honestly don't know why putting yourself in a situation that's way over your head is admirable. Perhaps standing in front of oncoming traffic takes a lot of balls or insanity, but I wouldn't say that person is admirable either. To your last sentence though, is it still admirable if he keeps going at it (especially if he's out of his league)? Or at some point is it stupid? To me admirable would have been fighting someone in his skill level, but that would have required a longer journey for Punk with less pay.
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Post by saintpat on Sept 12, 2016 13:11:08 GMT -5
Anyone who ever paid attention to my posts knows I'm not an admirer of CM Punk as a human being in any way (although the at times I liked some of his wrestling work, especially the SES period). I don't like him, period. But all I have to say about this is that I admire the courage of anyone who steps into the octagon or a boxing ring for real. It's a big risk health-wise, you put yourself out there to look ridiculous and be made fun of when it doesn't go your way and it takes a brave person to do it. So I'll applaud him for trying. I also think he needs to hang it up now before he does get hurt. I'm not sure what's so admirable about it. I'll grant it takes either a lot of balls or a lot of insanity (or both) to go somewhere where the great odds are that you're going to get your ass kicked (and possibly permanently hurt), but I honestly don't know why putting yourself in a situation that's way over your head is admirable. Perhaps standing in front of oncoming traffic takes a lot of balls or insanity, but I wouldn't say that person is admirable either. To your last sentence though, is it still admirable if he keeps going at it (especially if he's out of his league)? Or at some point is it stupid? To me admirable would have been fighting someone in his skill level, but that would have required a longer journey for Punk with less pay. He doesn't have to do what I think he should do for me to find it admirable. If he fights again (or again and again and again), I'll still admire his courage. I'll also continue to believe from all available evidence that he's a miserable human being and a complete tool. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have any redeeming qualities, and getting in the octagon is something I find courageous. If you think it's stupid, OK, that's certainly your prerogative.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 12, 2016 13:43:30 GMT -5
Fair enough. I just don't find anything admirable about what he did. It takes courage yes, but courage and admirable actions aren't always synonymous.
I imagine playing Russian Roulette is courageous as well.
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Post by Malcolm on Sept 12, 2016 14:05:28 GMT -5
I have a vague memory of this so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't people give Batista shit for his supposedly failed MMA career? Even though he actually won in his first(and only) fight?
And people are giving Punk props just for showing up?
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Post by mehmonster on Sept 12, 2016 14:24:21 GMT -5
I have a vague memory of this so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't people give Batista shit for his supposedly failed MMA career? Even though he actually won in his first fight? And people are giving Punk props just for showing up? Lashley still doesn't get respect for his run and he has a good record. Punky Participation Trophy.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Sept 12, 2016 15:23:19 GMT -5
Im Punks biggest fan.
This is still absolutely ridiculous. He comes off bad, Dana does, the UFC, even Gall.
Three positives:
- Punk made a nice paycheck. - PPV probably made a lot of money. - Galls life is a whole lot better.
Thats it. I am absolutely distraught as a Punk fan. 2 Years. He does a worse act of hypocrisy he judged Rock for. 2 Years. Good trainer. 2 Minutes. Not a single bit of offense. It was a joke. This whole thing was a joke.
I know the crux of why im depressed AF as a Punk fan. What have I loved most about Punk? He's. f***ing. Real. He should of been real and said I have no place there".
Whats real about this situation? Late 30s former Pro Wrestler burns all his bridges, gets a match on a UFC PPV and gets demolished.
God damn it, Phil.
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Post by blake6905 on Sept 12, 2016 15:38:45 GMT -5
Fair enough. I just don't find anything admirable about what he did. It takes courage yes, but courage and admirable actions aren't always synonymous. I imagine playing Russian Roulette is courageous as well. Don't understand Your examples of "playing in traffic" and "playing Russian roulette". 99% of the time those two things aren't Goals that people have. Yeah, there's a small chance he could've died in the octagon, but fighting in the UFC doesn't compare to shooting yourself. The guy tried something he always wanted to do... And he did it. He didn't win, but he can say he did it. It's courageous or admirable because even though he was doing it for himself, everyone in the world got to watch him do it... That's pressure.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 12, 2016 15:48:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't see what's admirable about this. To me, if he was dead serious about this, he would have fought for some smaller promotion with someone who's more at his speed. No, he instead uses his connections to get a spot on a UFC card and then gets his ass beat after literally rushing towards his opponent with no thought or element of strategy. This wasn't about fulfilling a dream, it was about placating his ego while padding out his bank account.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Sept 12, 2016 15:57:55 GMT -5
There is hypocrisy though in that Punk clearly benefit from something similar though not exactly the same. It can't be bad for one and hunky dory for the other. It was a smart move, but he did do a variation of the same thing. Maybe I don't understand how UFC works, but aren't they all, in a sense, "part-timers"? I mean, nobody comes even remotely close to working every single event. If not for his injuries and subsequent surgeries, would Punk honestly been scheduled for fewer appearances than anyone else? For that matter, did he do fewer interviews than anyone else? I'd wager that the demands on his time were equal to anyone else in the UFC, if not more than some do to promoting events.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 12, 2016 16:06:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I really don't see what's admirable about this. To me, if he was dead serious about this, he would have fought for some smaller promotion with someone who's more at his speed. No, he instead uses his connections to get a spot on a UFC card and then gets his ass beat after literally rushing towards his opponent with no thought or element of strategy. This wasn't about fulfilling a dream, it was about placating his ego while padding out his bank account. He could be lying but didn't Punk say he was going to start lower but White offered it to him? He could've said no and probably should have but it doesn't seem like it was entirely his idea. That said I'm not going to say he's brave. Or any more or less brave than every MMA fighter.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 12, 2016 16:34:31 GMT -5
Let's be honest, this was Punk's one shot at UFC and Dana's only chance to pop a buyrate with him. His age, injuries, and lack of any kind of legitimate athletic background meant that even if he had started right at the bottom, he'd be well into his 40s before he could even be a half-legitimate consideration for UFC, and his star power would've long since faded.
It really was now or never, and I can't blame either he or Dana for how it was handled.
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Post by nate5054 on Sept 12, 2016 16:54:54 GMT -5
Fair enough. I just don't find anything admirable about what he did. It takes courage yes, but courage and admirable actions aren't always synonymous. I imagine playing Russian Roulette is courageous as well. Don't understand Your examples of "playing in traffic" and "playing Russian roulette". 99% of the time those two things aren't Goals that people have. Yeah, there's a small chance he could've died in the octagon, but fighting in the UFC doesn't compare to shooting yourself. The guy tried something he always wanted to do... And he did it. He didn't win, but he can say he did it. It's courageous or admirable because even though he was doing it for himself, everyone in the world got to watch him do it... That's pressure. It wasn't that it was a goal, it was just bringing up the idea that doing something that takes guts isn't necessarily courageous. But say someone's goal is to climb Mt. Everest for example. Yet say the person has never climbed a mountain higher than 10,000 feet in their life. I don't think it's admirable to go up there and put your life at risk just to do it (we won't mention putting a Sherpa's life at risk either), even if it's your life long dream. It would take courage though. I sure as hell wouldn't do it.
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Post by katiemorgan67212 on Sept 13, 2016 23:54:29 GMT -5
Anytime an actor quits working for a show that I love because he/she believes that he/she is too "good" or too "big" for the show that made him/her famous I always want his/her next project to fail. So I am happy with this result. Did you feel this way when Punk first left RoH to sign with WWE? Not at all. I don't watch ROH.
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Post by katiemorgan67212 on Sept 14, 2016 0:04:21 GMT -5
Anytime an actor quits working for a show that I love because he/she believes that he/she is too "good" or too "big" for the show that made him/her famous I always want his/her next project to fail. So I am happy with this result. Tall Poppy Syndrome in action in a single sentence, ladies and gents. I've been surrounded by this kind of attitude at times and it's utterly toxic. How dare Punk refuse to be satisfied with his lot in life, have ambition, and want to do better or chase a dream. How dare he accept an opportunity that anybody in his shoes would jump at if offered, he's a Quieter. I did find his attitude abrasive to say the least especially the last few months, but I was still pulling for him in UFC. Because I respect when someone tries to achieve a dream or life goal, no matter how out of their depth they might be. HMark's post needs to be stickied big time. The best possible summary of this whole 'debate'. I had to look up Tall Poppy Syndrome but I have no idea how it applies to my feelings I.e. Punk. I want him to be successful in the context of WWE but once he abandons WWE in a very selfish way that damaged the show then I want his next project to fail so that he is filled with regret for what he did to me as a fan.
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Post by Greer on Sept 14, 2016 0:48:19 GMT -5
I dunno. He was wrestling for a long time and wasn't happy. He wanted to do something that made him happy. He had the connections to go to the UFC. He wanted to fight. They allowed it. He trained. He lost. He wasn't arrogant. He had to sell a fight while at the same time be respectful.
I seriously don't see the big deal about it.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Sept 14, 2016 1:23:51 GMT -5
I dunno. He was wrestling for a long time and wasn't happy. He wanted to do something that made him happy. He had the connections to go to the UFC. He wanted to fight. They allowed it. He trained. He lost. He wasn't arrogant. He had to sell a fight while at the same time be respectful. I seriously don't see the big deal about it. Compare pay between winner and loser. That is the deal.
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