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Post by thechase on Sept 5, 2021 11:31:44 GMT -5
The Kindred endgame indeed undoes one of the worst Spider-Man stories of all... {Spoiler}But not the one you think
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 5, 2021 12:17:58 GMT -5
The Kindred endgame indeed undoes one of the worst Spider-Man stories of all... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}But not the one you think Only took them an eternity but better late than never.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Sept 5, 2021 17:13:34 GMT -5
The more I read about Spidey the more I agree with Veitch that Spider Man should have ended back in the late 70s.
Discovered a new modern underground comix called Pop Art Funnies. Seems a collective of artists in Michigan put out 1 issue a year for about 7 years. B/W on newsprint. And the issues have a 1 or 2 buck cover price. No clue how hard the issues are to find but if you enjoy the 60s/70s era Underground Comix Pop Art Funnies is worth buying.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 5, 2021 18:26:46 GMT -5
The Kindred endgame indeed undoes one of the worst Spider-Man stories of all... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}But not the one you think {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} If Norman’s not their father, who is? Who’s DNA did they use?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 5, 2021 20:37:19 GMT -5
The Kindred endgame indeed undoes one of the worst Spider-Man stories of all... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}But not the one you think {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} If Norman’s not their father, who is? Who’s DNA did they use? Jason Macendale
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 5, 2021 20:38:00 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} If Norman’s not their father, who is? Who’s DNA did they use? Jason Macendale Are you being serious?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 5, 2021 20:39:13 GMT -5
Honestly at this point it might as well be
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El Pollo Guerrera
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Sept 6, 2021 1:13:38 GMT -5
The Kindred endgame indeed undoes one of the worst Spider-Man stories of all... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}But not the one you think {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} If Norman’s not their father, who is? Who’s DNA did they use? {Spoiler}Do I need to dig up that McMahon "IT WAS ME" gif again?
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Post by thechase on Sept 6, 2021 2:36:23 GMT -5
{Spoiler}They may just go with the original intent for Sins Past and say it's Peter's DNA
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 7, 2021 2:31:23 GMT -5
Surprised the original stance form Marvel for a long ass time has been do not mention that story... even if you are trying to retcon said story out of existence.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Sept 7, 2021 17:59:32 GMT -5
Surprised the original stance form Marvel for a long ass time has been do not mention that story... even if you are trying to retcon said story out of existence. Even Marvel 1000 poked fun at Sins Past
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Sept 7, 2021 18:06:27 GMT -5
The more I read about Spidey the more I agree with Veitch that Spider Man should have ended back in the late 70s. . If it had, then One More Day and Sins Past wouldn't have ever happened.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 7, 2021 18:35:46 GMT -5
At the same time, that also mean Peter and Mary Jane would have never gotten married. That’s a big no no for me. My prime comic book reading years were when they were married.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 7, 2021 19:08:36 GMT -5
In an optimal world, Mephisto wouldn't have anything to do with the Spidey side of things. I read that Norman basically Rumplestiltskined Harry when I picked up the latest issue and went "ugh really?"
I'm not sure why the Satan analogue stuff is a bridge too far for me with Spider-man vs the other stuff, but never been too into him being that involved with mystical stuff.
That said, nowadays I'm pretty whatever when it comes to continuity and stuff. It's all make believe so eh. Right now we have this plot development and in 5 years or so it'll be something else. No big deal.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Sept 7, 2021 19:11:33 GMT -5
At the same time, that also mean Peter and Mary Jane would have never gotten married. That’s a big no no for me. My prime comic book reading years were when they were married. True, but I'm agnostic overall about Peter and MJ's marriage. Had OMD not happened, I'd have been okay with the characters getting a divorce and getting married to new spouses. I just find that the people who have been horny for Peter and MJ's marriage to become canon once again are no different in their horniness than Joe Quesada-types who want Peter to be a bachelor forever. Both sides exhibit the same demand of "this character can only ever be this" or "this character can only ever be in a relationship with this person!" that stunts the characters and the stories and stops meaningful change from happening in these universes.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 7, 2021 19:16:24 GMT -5
That's at least a bit where I'm at in that the needless complication was always sort of dumb. Don't want em married? Have them get divorced and write her out of the books. Simple, and reflects over 50% of marriages anyway.
The idea that that would 'age' Peter any more than anything else was always stupid. People get married young and then get divorced all the time.
Instead we gotta get the devil involved.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 7, 2021 19:55:33 GMT -5
At the same time, that also mean Peter and Mary Jane would have never gotten married. That’s a big no no for me. My prime comic book reading years were when they were married. True, but I'm agnostic overall about Peter and MJ's marriage. Had OMD not happened, I'd have been okay with the characters getting a divorce and getting married to new spouses. I just find that the people who have been horny for Peter and MJ's marriage to become canon once again are no different in their horniness than Joe Quesada-types who want Peter to be a bachelor forever. Both sides exhibit the same demand of "this character can only ever be this" or "this character can only ever be in a relationship with this person!" that stunts the characters and the stories and stops meaningful change from happening in these universes. Well, I’m the opposite of you and I would care if they got divorced and ended up with different people. I’m not just going to be cool with fond childhood memories being so easily tossed aside. Also really don’t appreciate being told I’m horny for Peter and Mary Jane’s marriage to become official again.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Sept 7, 2021 21:00:18 GMT -5
Those fond childhood memories will always be there though. All you have to do is pull those books out of the long box.
It's like the whole retcon of them never having been married---yeah they were, I've got hundreds of books I could pull out right now where they are.
There's not a canon to this stuff, not really, cuz none of this is real.
When I want to revisit their marriage from my childhood, it's just a back issue away.
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Post by thechase on Sept 8, 2021 2:37:32 GMT -5
They tried writing MJ out of the books, they tried making her unlikeable, they tried every trick in the book to make fans forget about Peter and MJ being an item, they didn't put them back together for ten years.
They failed.
Not only did the Spider-Man newspaper strip just dismiss OMD as a bad dream, it carried on telling stories with the marriage for ten more additional years, and in between, Marvel kept publishing stories of alternate realities where Peter and MJ not only remained married, but also their marriage thrived with their children all taking up the Spider mantle
There are recent Spider-Man stories that deals with Peter and MJ divorcing, those were "Into the Spider-Verse" and Chip Zdarsky's Life Story. However, both of those end with Peter and MJ ultimately reconciling with one another.
MJ is way too popular, she is more three-dimensional flawed/stronger than Gwen or Black Cat who can't escape their own limitations and trappings, and it makes her a fascinating character to write. She is as iconic as Lois Lane is to Superman to the point fans and the general audience will never accept anyone else but her in Peter's life. Why is there this obsession with conventionally divorcing them from some corners of the fans? As evident by my examples, divorce doesn't spell the end of a couple.
DC titles also have unmarried their characters through conventional divorce/separations, and in the end, give or take a few years, they all end up back together. Look at Dinah and Ollie. Dick and Babs were married in 2015, forgot about it, went back to being on/off, and may currently be on again.
I don't agree with how Joe Quesada went about it, but he made a good point when he said he didn't personally believe Peter and MJ would ever realistically 'divorce' after all they've been through. It took a 'special' kind of hocus pocus to make them act in any way counter to how they've always been acting. This is a couple you're meant to root for, not give up on.
No matter what Marvel feel up to in the future, be it comfortable with divorce or otherwise, all roads lead back to Peter and MJ. It doesn't matter. MJ is the one. And she always will be.
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Post by thechase on Sept 8, 2021 3:18:56 GMT -5
OK, read today's issue of Amazing Spider-Man {Spoiler}{Spoiler}-Gwen and Norman were never a couple -Mysterio implanted false memories into Mary Jane during her therapy sessions with him -Harry never returned from the dead. And his Brand New Day era clone confesses to Carlie that he knew all along -Norman's mind was also tampered with by Mysterio to make him believe his son had survived -Several clones of Sarah and Gabriel were created. Most of them had degeneration issues and died -Sarah morphs back into Harry, revealing Sarah and Gabe are nothing more now than husks for him to take over -Harry tells MJ it's time to face her own sins and opens up a portal to hell -Mephisto proposes another wager to Doctor Strange...the virtue of a hero for the corruption of a soul
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