Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 28, 2016 4:03:16 GMT -5
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Dukect
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Post by Dukect on Sept 28, 2016 7:20:38 GMT -5
You know, I am slowly realising that WWE's seeming obsession with grabbing the "casual market" and not accepting they are, in fact, a niche form of entertainment except during WrestleMania time is something that is drastically holding it back. Along with, you know, making everyone on their roster except a few hardly matter at all because they don't want people to get popular and leave or whatever ridiculous nonsense they come up with. These people aren't coming to watch it on TV. Heck, the only place they ARE coming to watch it are YouTube since the videos there regularly do more views then the combined audience of Raw and Smackdown. But on the contrary, that argument also has the flipside that most of us are firmly IN the "wrestling bubble". We just have too close a relationship to pro wrestling to realize that the alternative to try and grab the "casual market" is the "accept that you're a niche form of entertainment except during Wrestlemania time- and from there, preach to the choir and build to what the people who already love this niche form of entertainment want' can be just as bad for the WWE...but we're too close to pro wrestling to SEE how bad it is, and think it's better not because it's better than going for the casual market, but because if they preach to the choir they'd do what WE want. The only stats that help that one- the "as the ratings plummet, you slowly get to a "only 1-2 million people watch the WWE live every week...BUT every single one of those people subscribes to the WWE Network" endgame there"...but that'd still make the ratings crater more as more of the niche fans just go with the Network and cut the cord (or, as the age of fans gets older, die off)...and then you realize where the "casual fans" are necessary since KIDS start out as casual fans, then become more addicted as they grow up. The casual market has to matter not to get non-fans who are adults, but rather children as fans- because that 6 year old boy in a John Cena shirt or 6 year old girl in a Bayley headband is going to be the 20 year old hardcore fan soon enough. This is what I'm talking about people just won't get out of the Wrestling bubble
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 7:25:19 GMT -5
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 28, 2016 7:33:29 GMT -5
Maybe the casuals want someone who looks like an action hero as champ, rather than a dude in a Judd Apatow comedy. If this was true, the Reigns push wouldn't have been a colossal failure.
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 28, 2016 8:47:17 GMT -5
If Owens is struggling as champion right now it is mostly because Raw's top storyline is so utterly incoherent. I have no idea what is going on with Owens and HHH, whether Stephanie is in on it, why I should care about Seth Rollins all of a sudden, or how Foley fits into any of it. The Rollins face/whatever the hell turn is more problematic since it was only a few weeks ago that he was gloating about injuring Finn Balor. Now we're supposed to care about him because HHH sides with Owens?
As far as WWE's ratings downturn since 2013, gee I can't imagine why. As far as I'm concerned WWE's downward spiral began at Summerslam 2013. It was at that show HHH screwed over Daniel Bryan in favor of Orton and the entire horrible Authority storyline began. Since then we've had nothing but this gloom and doom HHH/Steph crap on Raw, complete with an ineffectual Orton, or ineffectual Rollins, and now Owens. I could see sticking with a storyline that works, but The Authority storyline has ALWAYS sucked.
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lionheart21
Patti Mayonnaise
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Post by lionheart21 on Sept 28, 2016 9:12:43 GMT -5
If you try to damage Kevin Owens' goods, you're going to get IT. Get what?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 10:20:03 GMT -5
Maybe the casuals want someone who looks like an action hero as champ, rather than a dude in a Judd Apatow comedy. If this was true, the Reigns push wouldn't have been a colossal failure. *Looks at The Legend of Tarzan box office numbers.* I guess you're right
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 28, 2016 10:28:37 GMT -5
If you try to damage Kevin Owens' goods, you're going to get IT. Get what? IT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 10:43:51 GMT -5
You're wrong. The crowd loves him. Yeah dude has been constant babyface loud babyface pops and that was before he feuded with Roman Reigns or won The Universal Championship. Hell they are still struggling suppressing some of his babyface pops. Raw ratings are going down because the shows quality has taken a dip, Smackdown Live ratings are going up, and Raw isn't the one show that matters anymore. In fact huh... is Reigns some type of WWE candlejack? It's not like you to just stop mid sent
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The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 28, 2016 13:22:19 GMT -5
If this was true, the Reigns push wouldn't have been a colossal failure. *Looks at The Legend of Tarzan box office numbers.* I guess you're right I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not.
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RKTaker
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Post by RKTaker on Sept 28, 2016 13:59:55 GMT -5
if you think that ko is the reason why ratings are falling then you got the wrong idea. ratings are falling cause the writing is just awful. they make poor booking decisions week after week. they let people like the new day get stale, the club are trated like jokes, sami can't get a win, neville is never used. these are the kind of things that make people stop watching raw and/or smackdown. oh and they have the same matches over and over again
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Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on Sept 28, 2016 14:14:29 GMT -5
if you think that ko is the reason why ratings are falling then you got the wrong idea. ratings are falling cause the writing is just awful. they make poor booking decisions week after week. they let people like the new day get stale, the club are trated like jokes, sami can't get a win, neville is never used. these are the kind of things that make people stop watching raw and/or smackdown. oh and they have the same matches over and over again This does have more of a point. Just because Owens is on top doesn't change the other big problems that mean just as much to the falling ratings: -Raw has been booked worse than Smackdown has and it's obvious to the viewers. -Even Raw getting more of the "wrestlers" has hurt since the writing for the show is terrible. -The brand extension gave John Cena and Randy Orton to Smackdown, which sent the two biggest, most proven draws in WWE full-time to the other brand. -The popular new NXT workers people were desperate to see make it had bad luck- whether it wasn't WWE's fault (Balor's injury) or absolutely is WWE's fault (Bayley's being nerfed). Oh, and even if they swapped Raw and Smackdown's writers, let the wrestlers on Raw wrestle, moved Cena and Orton onto Raw, Balor never got injured, and Bayley won the Women's Title in her first match and had a five star match with Sasha Banks at Clash of Champions... -It's the NFL season and absolutely NOTHING is beating Monday Night Football. And then Monday was the US Presidential debate, and that would even defeat MNF. WWE doesn't have a PRAYER of getting good ratings right now and the only person who has no clue about that fact in the entire world is Vince McMahon.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 28, 2016 14:15:15 GMT -5
Him being in comedy segments and matches and then being 4th banana in the 'serious' part of his reign is definitely not helping.
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Post by lebuddha on Sept 28, 2016 15:03:00 GMT -5
As long as KO distances himself as an Authority figure and keeps doing things with Jericho, its all good in my book. We've had the HHH minions angle for most of this century, we don't need more.
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FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 28, 2016 15:10:15 GMT -5
"You the people of the FAN board make the call"... Unless you're smarks inside the wrestling bubble. Like, say, the kind of people devoted enough to wrestling to be on a forum about it. What's even the point of the thread if people's opinions are just dismissed like that?
Owens is a master of smack talk to the point where non-fans I've seen shows with found him amusing and more notable than the more straight laced stuff, and can do amazing stuff in the ring especially for a guy of his size. The Authority stuff doesn't play to his strengths, but he's not doomed because of it.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Sept 28, 2016 23:53:31 GMT -5
Popping a rating isn't the responsibility of one person anymore. Wrestling isn't as hot and it's because of PG.
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schma
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Post by schma on Sept 29, 2016 2:55:06 GMT -5
Despite being part of this forum I'm hardly in the bubble and I think Kevin Owens is fantastic. I've only started catching some ppvs in the past couple years, I only manage to see clips of the shows on the website (at work when the shows air) and I'm in Canada so there's no way I'm getting the network until they make major changes (not buying tons of cable stuff just to access the network). I've never seen his NXT or indy stuff. All I know is what I've seen since he joined the main roster and the guy gets it. His smack talking during matches, his promos, his ring work, the way he carries himself. I don't give a crap if he's overweight or not. The guy is a champ to me.
Yeah his reign hasn't meant a lot yet and there are a bunch of question marks but the fact is he's great and I'm thrilled to see the belt on him. At the same time he needs a worthwhile opponent. If he gets someone he can do a decent program with I'm sure the doubters will fade away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 3:44:55 GMT -5
I'll say this as my personal opinion of him. But he might be the most overall talented guy that I just don't care for. Like yeah I'm a fan based on his talent and I should like him since I love wrestlers that stand out. But I don't.
I think it's mostly based on the fact he has the slowest moving voice when he's about to cut someone down Triple H style and it just comes off as awkward. Or sometime his matches are spot fests or just straight up boring brawls with a series of high spots thrown in randomly at the end.
But everyone I know seems to love him and drawn into him and the crowd still wants him to become babyface. Like I think he's one of those guys that's going to be forever polarizing that you either love him or don't care for him that much and that might apply in drawing in new viewers. That there's pretty much an 70-30 amount in favor of people that are drawn into him right away and others who just go Meh. Like people who already are wrestling fans will majorily will like him based on his talent and look even though I'm sure there's a vocal crowd that loves screaming he's overrated or he's fat
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AtomSmasher
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Post by AtomSmasher on Sept 29, 2016 16:15:02 GMT -5
Yep. I'm surprised it took 4 weeks for FAN to realise. If you can't pop a rating in today's red hot wrestling market you must be a bust in the main event.... "Give me a break"
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nisidhe
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Post by nisidhe on Oct 1, 2016 4:18:48 GMT -5
The writing around the entire Universal title scene has been fly-by at best since Summerslam, and there's a huge reason for that. I think Balor was supposed to get the gradual build-up, similar to Bret Hart's first world title, into becoming the face at least of Raw, if not of the entire company. The shoulder injury threw a tool box into those works. What's clear from the writing now is that Rollins is not going to wear the Universal title anytime soon. That leaves Kevin Owens basically holding the title as a placeholder until they either work out a program for him (and they should have sorted it out by now) or until they work out programs for a number of Raw talent eventually to try for the belt (which, I think, they should have had in the wings already.) Owens is on top, basically, because we know that Balor has a credible chance of going over against him, having seen it happen before in NXT. There are quite a few others for whom a loss to Balor would be a tumble, for sure.
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