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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 1, 2016 12:26:17 GMT -5
Nothing matters in wrestling anymore. Doesn't matter who the champion is, who beats who, who's a heel/face etc...
That's one of two problems WWE has, along with oversaturation.
And personally I don't see any way back from it.
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Post by vinnie245 on Oct 2, 2016 5:33:37 GMT -5
Popping a rating isn't the responsibility of one person anymore. Wrestling isn't as hot and it's because of PG. WCW during the NWO era was PG, pretty sure WWF in 97 was also PG. You can easily have an engaging product and still be PG, the awful creative simply prohibits that from happening.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Oct 2, 2016 5:41:42 GMT -5
There isn't a single person in the wrestling business that WWE could put the Universal title on and not set new record low ratings. The problems behind the Raw brand and WWE in general run far deeper than the guy who happens to hold the title right now.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 2, 2016 6:12:38 GMT -5
Not yet. Fans basically rejected Sheamus as champion but I get the impression Owens is mostly accepted. In his case it's the accompanying storyline that's the problem.
As for rating is general I think the casual vs hardcore thing is a little overblown. Take Game of Thrones, fantasy was once niche but is now mainstream and watched by people that once mocked the genre. Much the same could be said about superheroes. GoT set things out early, winter is coming so hurry up and win what you want now, you lose you die. WWE's version is you get another chance next month or in Shane's cases you get what you wanted anyway, if there are no consequences then nothing matters. You can spend months doing nothing in particular and be catapulted straight into the main-event for no apparent reason so there's no sense of urgency either.
The comparisons could go on for ages, WWE's power struggles making no sense, their rules changing to fit the current storlyine etc. If WWE booked GoT the white walkers would kick out of a Valerian steel finisher.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Oct 2, 2016 12:52:22 GMT -5
His reign has been a joke. It's the same old tired shit: He's a meaningless cog in the McMahon show. I was ecstatic when he won, but when the dust settled, I realized how lame it was that Uncle Paul had to get himself over/involved in it like he does with everything else (See certain points of the CWC). Kevin Owens is insanely talented, so I thought he could make it all work. But he just doesn't have a chance. Like I said in the other thread, he's simply a place-holder for another boring Rollins or Reigns title run. It certainly doesn't help him when Roman Reigns is pinning him clean as a sheet on Raw.
As far as ratings are concerned, there's no way you can blame that on him because he's not the star/centerpiece of the show. It's still The McMahon Show featuring The Shield Guys.
With someone like AJ, it genuinely feels like they're 'passing the torch' to him and letting him go with it. Not so with Owens.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 2, 2016 12:56:15 GMT -5
Any Authority-backed champion looks like a kid trying to impress their parents.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 2, 2016 13:27:31 GMT -5
You're wrong. The crowd loves him. The Smarks in the Crowd loves him you gotta think outside the Wrestling bubble and look at KO objectively can he get the people in the mainstream watching or atleast talking about the WWE as an whole does he do that in fact would Finn Balor would've done that. I doubt it as none of the Shield guys did at all WWE's Recent Viewership Numbers Suggest The Shield Is A Ratings Disaster Nowadays, the only people going to the shows are smarks. Look at how big they poppped for Sammy Zayn on his first appearance. These are people that watch NXT. It's Smarks families with their kids. The Casuals are not going to the shows, not watching the shows on TV.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Oct 2, 2016 18:07:59 GMT -5
Maybe the casuals want someone who looks like an action hero as champ, rather than a dude in a Judd Apatow comedy. Maybe if he had a gimmick beyond "Guy who wrestles." Maybe if he had a finisher that didn't look like it was entirely dependent on his opponent doing all the work. Or it could be the Authority again. Probably the Authority. Yeah, it's the Authority. People see yet another year of the Trips and Stephanie variety hour, with no end in sight. The Authority is more nWo now than WWE's nWo.
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Post by billyvg on Oct 2, 2016 21:44:07 GMT -5
It's hard to blame him when ratings have been sinking for over a decade now.
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Post by Dukect on Nov 27, 2016 13:51:08 GMT -5
SO its been around 2 months since I put this thread up I wonder has anyone changed their mind about KO or can this title run can be saved
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Nov 27, 2016 15:24:39 GMT -5
SO its been around 2 months since I put this thread up I wonder has anyone changed their mind about KO or can this title run can be saved In that two months you seem to have ignored every argument made in the thread ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Shai on Nov 27, 2016 15:25:25 GMT -5
I feel like it's not even about the title its just the KO/Jericho/Rollins show and the title is an afterthought.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 16:38:34 GMT -5
If they aren't the hardcore fans that buy the network subscriptions and merchandise, who gives a shit what they think?
Besides, when wrestling shows make wrestling fans happy, that's when the mainstream starts to take notice anyway. They don't pay attention when we are bitching about how much it sucks.
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Post by vincecornette on Nov 27, 2016 17:07:12 GMT -5
He is not damaged good quite yet, but what should be the highlight (and his career so far) of the show is playing second fiddle to a walking middle life crisis with a Gordon Ramsey haircut and a scarf.
When Seth had the title for the first time, EVERYTHING he did was about keeping the belt. With Owens and Jericho it is like they are playing an E&C tribute act. They should be tag team champs if they are doing this bromance thing, not smothering the top title of the organization.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 27, 2016 17:54:58 GMT -5
SO its been around 2 months since I put this thread up I wonder has anyone changed their mind about KO or can this title run can be saved It's been two months. And you're still wrong. And you ignored everyone's arguments, dismissed any facts presented. So what was even the point of making this thread? Or bringing it back?
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Post by machomuta on Nov 27, 2016 18:11:25 GMT -5
His title run has been horrible, because WWE booked him to be Jericho´s sidekick.
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Post by the2ndevil on Nov 27, 2016 18:53:00 GMT -5
More and more I wish Triple H helped Reigns win the title. At least then the shocking twist would have been shocking because of the history between them, and not the randomness of it.
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Post by Dukect on Nov 27, 2016 18:59:47 GMT -5
SO its been around 2 months since I put this thread up I wonder has anyone changed their mind about KO or can this title run can be saved It's been two months. And you're still wrong. And you ignored everyone's arguments, dismissed any facts presented. So what was even the point of making this thread? Or bringing it back? What facts that he and Jericho are doing comedy segments is not getting viewers, the fact that Owens has no agency as the champ, the fact that there is no good reason for KO should be champ other than Uncle HHH came in to help him. I think those facts are helping my case and the past 2 months with KO's big move his powerbomb to the apron is so serve that it takes weeks off your career him being DQed in Survivor Series using the dumbass list. At this point have Goldberg beat Owens in a squach match for the belt have him and Lesnar fight at Royal Rumble for the title and have Reigns win the Rumble match and then have all 3 fight fot the all red everything belt at Mania and have Reigns win. There you get more eyes on the product and you give the rub to your next guy up which is going to he Reigns. Now I know you guys don't like that but what else is there to do as Owens is not important right now the Kevin Owens show needs to be cancelled
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Nov 27, 2016 19:09:03 GMT -5
You need to offer free punch and pie....people will come out in droves if you offer punch and pie.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 27, 2016 20:01:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm out on this. This is looking for a certain type of reaction and I won't be giving it anymore.
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