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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Oct 15, 2016 11:42:39 GMT -5
Which again begs the question: who in their right minds would wanna sign onto this company? And how is this legal, if it even is legal? In theory, the promise of guaranteed money could be more than guys were otherwise making. If I remember correctly, when the story broke with the Wolves it was reported they were signed to low six figures, and depending on if TNA booked them to actually earn that money, they could have been standing to make more than they were really 'earning'. The downside, of course, being that they had to trust that TNA would actually pay them. But as far as legality goes, I don't think anything runs too afoul on the guarantee that TNA actually fulfilled their obligations, but wrestling contracts are usually built on top of shit that wouldn't hold up in court. They've generally been very aggressive about signing people to these contracts, and I imagine it was very much an issue of TNA saying "You either do this or we're done here." And I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to push people into those kinds of contracts when they can directly profit off the work of their wrestlers and, to be extra shitty, decide to just flat-out not pay guys for the work they do when they want to spend it elsewhere. Which is why it makes sense that a lot of people would have had enough with pay issues; we always see waves of people deciding the pay problems are too much, and now going for breach of contract on this makes a whole lot of sense if they're the ones who are suddenly out the guaranteed money that TNA mis-allocated and misused. This is pretty much the equivalent of someone telling an artist that not only won't they get paid for their work for the company('Think of the exposure!') but then the company also can tell them who they can sell to but the company gets that money and they'll get paid a percentage of that. If anyone offered my students that job to work on a film, there's not enough 'f*** yous' in the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 11:54:53 GMT -5
In theory, the promise of guaranteed money could be more than guys were otherwise making. If I remember correctly, when the story broke with the Wolves it was reported they were signed to low six figures, and depending on if TNA booked them to actually earn that money, they could have been standing to make more than they were really 'earning'. The downside, of course, being that they had to trust that TNA would actually pay them. But as far as legality goes, I don't think anything runs too afoul on the guarantee that TNA actually fulfilled their obligations, but wrestling contracts are usually built on top of shit that wouldn't hold up in court. They've generally been very aggressive about signing people to these contracts, and I imagine it was very much an issue of TNA saying "You either do this or we're done here." And I can't imagine why they wouldn't want to push people into those kinds of contracts when they can directly profit off the work of their wrestlers and, to be extra shitty, decide to just flat-out not pay guys for the work they do when they want to spend it elsewhere. Which is why it makes sense that a lot of people would have had enough with pay issues; we always see waves of people deciding the pay problems are too much, and now going for breach of contract on this makes a whole lot of sense if they're the ones who are suddenly out the guaranteed money that TNA mis-allocated and misused. This is pretty much the equivalent of someone telling an artist that not only won't they get paid for their work for the company('Think of the exposure!') but then the company also can tell them who they can sell to but the company gets that money and they'll get paid a percentage of that. If anyone offered my students that job to work on a film, there's not enough 'f*** yous' in the world. Ah, yes. The Fabulous Moolah Principle. |
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Post by Ringmaster on Oct 15, 2016 12:40:16 GMT -5
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 15, 2016 13:20:50 GMT -5
How does Dixie not have an 800 page thread on Kiwi Farms by now?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Oct 15, 2016 13:32:13 GMT -5
What find I'm both funny and sad are the TNA diehards on Twitter trying to claim that this is either a con to work the Net, lies created by Meltzer and the rest of the anti-TNA army because they are secretly WWE fanboys, or recognizing the end is near and trying to come to terms with that. AKA the thought pattern WCW diehards had during the last few months of existence. All this is deja vu really. Same rumors of WWF wanting to buy WCW. Potential buyers besides WWF entering the picture. Massive money woes. A product that is improving but years of being terrible ruined hopes of regaining back their lost fans. Rats leaving the ship with people jockeying for individual lifeboats. Workers doing interviews calling management out. Legal cases pending. Deals that could save them going belly up. Next is the tv show being suddenly cancelled. Once that happens, TNA will completed its destiny of being the reborn WCW. The "It's a work" thing is hilarious, and honestly would be the most TNA thing the company could do. They're not just going to work smarks and the dirtsheets with this, they're going to work the courts and the state of Tennessee, I'm sure both the courts and state will just laugh it off, and not charge TNA with a laundry list of crimes. Dixie: "We fooled you. Yeah, we're currently being charged for crimes relating to not paying taxes, tying up the court system with falsified lawsuits, and committed perjury during the hearings, but in your face we fooled you." Bob Ryder: "Yeah Meltzer you hater, and those haters who thought this was bad for us. Who's laughing now?" Dixie: "We sure showed them. By the way does anybody know a couple of good criminal defense attorneys? I'm only asking for some friends." |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 15, 2016 14:17:16 GMT -5
Dixie makes Paul Heyman look like Warren Buffett
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Oct 15, 2016 14:26:35 GMT -5
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Post by Ringmaster on Oct 15, 2016 14:28:50 GMT -5
How do you embed a twitter gif? I tried and ended up just putting the link for that gif |
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Oct 15, 2016 14:33:45 GMT -5
What find I'm both funny and sad are the TNA diehards on Twitter trying to claim that this is either a con to work the Net, lies created by Meltzer and the rest of the anti-TNA army because they are secretly WWE fanboys, or recognizing the end is near and trying to come to terms with that. AKA the thought pattern WCW diehards had during the last few months of existence. All this is deja vu really. Same rumors of WWF wanting to buy WCW. Potential buyers besides WWF entering the picture. Massive money woes. A product that is improving but years of being terrible ruined hopes of regaining back their lost fans. Rats leaving the ship with people jockeying for individual lifeboats. Workers doing interviews calling management out. Legal cases pending. Deals that could save them going belly up. Next is the tv show being suddenly cancelled. Once that happens, TNA will completed its destiny of being the reborn WCW. The "It's a work" thing is hilarious, and honestly would be the most TNA thing the company could do. They're not just going to work smarks and the dirtsheets with this, they're going to work the courts and the state of Tennessee, I'm sure both the courts and state will just laugh it off, and not charge TNA with a laundry list of crimes. Dixie: "We fooled you. Yeah, we're currently being charged for crimes relating to not paying taxes, tying up the court system with falsified lawsuits, and committed perjury during the hearings, but in your face we fooled you." Bob Ryder: "Yeah Meltzer you hater, and those haters who thought this was bad for us. Who's laughing now?" Dixie: "We sure showed them. By the way does anybody know a couple of good criminal defense attorneys? I'm only asking for some friends." Nothing would be funnier than the state of Tennessee backed off of TNA because they don't want to run the risk of looking like a mark by falling for their work. |
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Post by Fundertaker on Oct 15, 2016 15:06:31 GMT -5
Just waiting for the tweet by Dixie: Big announcement at next set of tapings sugs. Excited for future. #TNA4EVA That's not random capitalization by the way, she's sacrificing everyone else in the company to make mechs. So... does Gail Kim eventually become a giant Angel with the intent of transforming everyone in TNA into yellow goo? |
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Oct 15, 2016 15:33:45 GMT -5
The problem with the con by Meltzer is I believe the only story Meltzer was the first to break was the Gaburick stooge bit. Every other one this time has been broken by other people, including PWInsider
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Oct 15, 2016 15:40:15 GMT -5
That's not random capitalization by the way, she's sacrificing everyone else in the company to make mechs. So... does Gail Kim eventually become a giant Angel with the intent of transforming everyone in TNA into yellow goo? No, but a tear in reality results in the awkward moment of Shinji and Rei looking for Asuka. They find Asuka, all right... at Full Sail. Meanwhile, Asuka Langley Sohryu ends up teaming with Bayley because why not. |
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Post by CH Punk on Oct 15, 2016 15:43:21 GMT -5
How do you embed a twitter gif? I tried and ended up just putting the link for that gif You can't as Twitter actually stores GIFs as a video so you can start/stop them and scrub through them. You can rip the video and then convert it to a GIF, but more than likely, they went to TDE's Tumblr to get a direct link to the .GIF. |
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Post by floundertime on Oct 15, 2016 16:17:53 GMT -5
I know this won't happen, but let's pretend. They owe money to the State of Tennessee, so the state bails them out and takes control of TNA. Of course they would then move it back to the fair grounds. What other things would the state do???
I know it's not going to happen, but we can pretend
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 16:28:58 GMT -5
I know this won't happen, but let's pretend. They owe money to the State of Tennessee, so the state bails them out and takes control of TNA. Of course they would then move it back to the fair grounds. What other things would the state do??? I know it's not going to happen, but we can pretend Never happen. If the state did take them they'd probably just divide up the assets and auction them off in attempt to recoup some of the debt. |
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Post by floundertime on Oct 15, 2016 16:57:43 GMT -5
I know this won't happen, but let's pretend. They owe money to the State of Tennessee, so the state bails them out and takes control of TNA. Of course they would then move it back to the fair grounds. What other things would the state do??? I know it's not going to happen, but we can pretend Never happen. If the state did take them they'd probably just divide up the assets and auction them off in attempt to recoup some of the debt. That's why it's called pretend. I know the state won't run a wrestling promotion, but let's pretend they did. |
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Post by Doctor Of Style on Oct 15, 2016 17:11:15 GMT -5
I know this won't happen, but let's pretend. They owe money to the State of Tennessee, so the state bails them out and takes control of TNA. Of course they would then move it back to the fair grounds. What other things would the state do??? I know it's not going to happen, but we can pretend Move them to Memphis and put Lawler in charge? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 17:25:29 GMT -5
Just as far as mention of people not getting paid, I'm seeing a lot of people mention that TNA takes "a cut" of the money, and that's not true, so just to clear up how f***ing awful what they're currently doing by not paying people is: People under the new contracts where TNA takes full control of a guy's booking are supposed to get a regular paycheck every two weeks, rather than being paid based on dates worked. In return, TNA is the booking agent for everyone under these contracts. But in exchange for that, TNA actually takes all of the money for that booking from the promoter directly, and the way it's supposed to work is that people are then paid off of that, but with TNA tacking on a higher rate for people to get booked so that they can pocket some of the money off of their guys too. So, right now it isn't just "guys have to give some of their indy money to TNA", but that TNA gets all of their money and is supposed to be paying them for it. Which means that TNA isn't just late in paying people for the work they do for TNA, they have full-on seized the entire earnings these people make in the wrestling business period and refuse to pay them for work they have done for other companies. It's a level of despicable way worse tha that people are giving them hell for in this thread, which is bad enough by itself, but I just needed to correct that to stress how deplorable everything this company does is, because as people have expressed in here before, Dixie's paycheck is probably never late, and with no revenue coming in from goddamn anywhere, my guess is that she has guys slumming it on the indies to keep her bank account fat. Which again begs the question: who in their right minds would wanna sign onto this company? And how is this legal, if it even is legal? They only did this sort of thing with a handful of their top performers. Most of the roster has been on show to show agreements. Average mid-card or lower level wrestlers were not given guaranteed money in exchange for TNA having full control of their schedules. |
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Oct 15, 2016 17:25:41 GMT -5
I know this won't happen, but let's pretend. They owe money to the State of Tennessee, so the state bails them out and takes control of TNA. Of course they would then move it back to the fair grounds. What other things would the state do??? I know it's not going to happen, but we can pretend Never happen. If the state did take them they'd probably just divide up the assets and auction them off in attempt to recoup some of the debt. Coming up next we have ... ugh another Bram contract. Do I hear a nickel? |
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Post by katiemorgan67212 on Oct 15, 2016 17:44:24 GMT -5
With everything we know about how poorly TNA treats employees, vendors, investors and anyone and everyone who is misled, defrauded or tricked into doing business with it, I don't understand how it is controversial to want the company to go out of business. TNA ending is the only just and fair thing and if it can just finally happen 2016 will have a one good moment in an otherwise miserable year.
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