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Post by Hit Girl on May 28, 2018 15:28:01 GMT -5
Harrison Ford is Han Solo. Some twenty-something, no-mark with an unpronouncable name isn't. That's the biggest problem the movie faces. A no-mark who's already worked with Coppola, the Coen Brothers, Woody Allen, Ron Howard... And his last name is pronounced air-ren-rike. What a tongue twister. To the average moviegoer, none of that means anything. "A new Star Wars movie is out??, with that guy from the Woody Allen movie whose name you have to spell phonetically?? I'm there!!!" is not a conversation likely to happen. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 28, 2018 15:32:37 GMT -5
I highly doubt Disney is sweating this honestly. Pretty sure Incredibles 2, Ant-Man and The Wasp, and Captain Marvel next year along with the Infinity War sequel will make up for it.
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Post by Fade on May 28, 2018 15:32:54 GMT -5
A no-mark who's already worked with Coppola, the Coen Brothers, Woody Allen, Ron Howard... And his last name is pronounced air-ren-rike. What a tongue twister. To the average moviegoer, none of that means anything. "A new Star Wars movie is out??, with that guy from the Woody Allen movie whose name you have to spell phonetically?? I'm there!!!" is not a conversation likely to happen. No. It's not. Because most people aren't ridiculous enough to, one way or the other, base their movie going ventures on how a dudes name sounds. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 15:37:38 GMT -5
A no-mark who's already worked with Coppola, the Coen Brothers, Woody Allen, Ron Howard... And his last name is pronounced air-ren-rike. What a tongue twister. To the average moviegoer, none of that means anything. "A new Star Wars movie is out??, with that guy from the Woody Allen movie whose name you have to spell phonetically?? I'm there!!!" is not a conversation likely to happen. And your average movie-goer is not going to say, "Why, that's not Harrison Ford! Not at all! No need to see this one, kids! They almost tricked us with that one." |
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Post by Hit Girl on May 28, 2018 16:01:32 GMT -5
To the average moviegoer, none of that means anything. "A new Star Wars movie is out??, with that guy from the Woody Allen movie whose name you have to spell phonetically?? I'm there!!!" is not a conversation likely to happen. No. It's not. Because most people aren't ridiculous enough to, one way or the other, base their movie going ventures on how a dudes name sounds. To the average moviegoer, none of that means anything. "A new Star Wars movie is out??, with that guy from the Woody Allen movie whose name you have to spell phonetically?? I'm there!!!" is not a conversation likely to happen. And your average movie-goer is not going to say, "Why, that's not Harrison Ford! Not at all! No need to see this one, kids! They almost tricked us with that one." It's not the name alone, and they won't feel" tricked", but the appeal of seeing the character may not be as great if the actor who defined the role isn't playing him, and instead it's a different, relatively unknown guy with no wider recognition. |
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Post by Fade on May 28, 2018 16:10:46 GMT -5
No ones disputing that but way dudes name sounds has nothing to do with it, Lol
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Post by adamclark52 on May 28, 2018 16:13:07 GMT -5
I can’t believe I’m getting involved but the only problem I have with his name is it isn’t “Harrison Ford”, but I loved the movie so I don’t care.
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 28, 2018 16:21:14 GMT -5
I highly doubt Disney is sweating this honestly. Pretty sure Incredibles 2, Ant-Man and The Wasp, and Captain Marvel next year along with the Infinity War sequel will make up for it. made $1.4 billion worldwide and was internally considered a failure by some Disney execs because it didn't make as much as the first Avengers. Solo won't make nearly that much money, so I'd guarantee several higher-ups are going to be pissed off. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 28, 2018 16:48:27 GMT -5
I highly doubt Disney is sweating this honestly. Pretty sure Incredibles 2, Ant-Man and The Wasp, and Captain Marvel next year along with the Infinity War sequel will make up for it. made $1.4 billion worldwide and was internally considered a failure by some Disney execs because it didn't make as much as the first Avengers. Solo won't make nearly that much money, so I'd guarantee several higher-ups are going to be pissed off. Man, only in Hollywood could a $1.4 billion worldwide success be considered a failure by some execs. That's just crazy. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 17:19:18 GMT -5
I highly doubt Disney is sweating this honestly. Pretty sure Incredibles 2, Ant-Man and The Wasp, and Captain Marvel next year along with the Infinity War sequel will make up for it. made $1.4 billion worldwide and was internally considered a failure by some Disney execs because it didn't make as much as the first Avengers. Solo won't make nearly that much money, so I'd guarantee several higher-ups are going to be pissed off. Really I don't know why on earth they would've expected it to. Even getting past it being nowhere near as good, it's also nowhere near as special. The first was built for years with story beats gradually coming together, the second was, "We need to do another Avengers about now and don't want to do Thanos yet." |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 28, 2018 17:37:46 GMT -5
Age of Ultron made $1.4 billion worldwide and was internally considered a failure by some Disney execs because it didn't make as much as the first Avengers. Solo won't make nearly that much money, so I'd guarantee several higher-ups are going to be pissed off. Man, only in Hollywood could a $1.4 billion worldwide success be considered a failure by some execs. That's just crazy. When the financials were released production costs, advertising, gross points for those with them in their contracts, and various other expenses meant Marvel/Disney didn't see a penny from the first $1.1 billion. |
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Post by LastCall on May 28, 2018 18:28:11 GMT -5
Just saw it. I thought it was alright, even though it mostly fleshed out stuff that we already knew about Han Solo's backstory. 2 notes: {Spoiler}
1. Even though it wasn't really specified in the OT, "parsecs" are now officially a measure of distance as opposed to a measure of time.
2. Han shot first. In fact, he didn't even let Tobias finish talking before shooting him. As much flak as we give Disney, they at least won't "special edition" that one.
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Post by Juice on May 28, 2018 21:35:30 GMT -5
Just read about THAT cameo. Im so uninterested in most of these blockbusters anymore. I haven't watched Rogue One or Last Jedi. I'm 3 behind in Marvel, 2 behind in DC. But that cameo in Solo has my interest. I wanna see it now.
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Post by Fade on May 28, 2018 21:49:09 GMT -5
Just read about THAT cameo. Im so uninterested in most of these blockbusters anymore. I haven't watched Rogue One or Last Jedi. I'm 3 behind in Marvel, 2 behind in DC. But that cameo in Solo has my interest. I wanna see it now. It's pretty cool. Albeit outta nowhere. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 29, 2018 0:22:56 GMT -5
Man, only in Hollywood could a $1.4 billion worldwide success be considered a failure by some execs. That's just crazy. When the financials were released production costs, advertising, gross points for those with them in their contracts, and various other expenses meant Marvel/Disney didn't see a penny from the first $1.1 billion. Huh? Really now? I was under the impression that studios received all of the box office sales? So you're telling me that Marvel/Disney still hasn't seen a penny out of the $1.909 billion that Infinity War has grossed worldwide? |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 29, 2018 1:27:13 GMT -5
When the financials were released production costs, advertising, gross points for those with them in their contracts, and various other expenses meant Marvel/Disney didn't see a penny from the first $1.1 billion. Huh? Really now? I was under the impression that studios received all of the box office sales? So you're telling me that Marvel/Disney still hasn't seen a penny out of the $1.909 billion that Infinity War has grossed worldwide? In the U.S. about 30% of the box office sales stays with the theatres, while overseas it varies from country to country, but is usually closer to 50%. So right off the bat roughly $760 million of what Infinity War has taken so far will never be seen by Marvel or Disney. Then deduct the cost of production ($300-400 million) and marketing (an estimated $150 million). That's up to $1.3 billion that either stays with the theatres or has to cover expenses before the movie can begin making money, and doesn't cover other things like distribution, anybody whose contract stipulates they get a cut of the profits, etc. Of course, the movie will make money other ways. Coca-Cola paid $40 million for product placement, for example, and there's always merchandise (though that's also subject to profit margins). But yeah, I suspect Infinity War really only started making pure profit for Marvel and Disney at around the $1.4 billion mark. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 29, 2018 1:50:30 GMT -5
Huh? Really now? I was under the impression that studios received all of the box office sales? So you're telling me that Marvel/Disney still hasn't seen a penny out of the $1.909 billion that Infinity War has grossed worldwide? In the U.S. about 30% of the box office sales stays with the theatres, while overseas it varies from country to country, but is usually closer to 50%. So right off the bat roughly $760 million of what Infinity War has taken so far will never be seen by Marvel or Disney. Then deduct the cost of production ($300-400 million) and marketing (an estimated $150 million). That's up to $1.3 billion that either stays with the theatres or has to cover expenses before the movie can begin making money, and doesn't cover other things like distribution, anybody whose contract stipulates they get a cut of the profits, etc. Of course, the movie will make money other ways. Coca-Cola paid $40 million for product placement, for example, and there's always merchandise (though that's also subject to profit margins). But yeah, I suspect Infinity War really only started making pure profit for Marvel and Disney at around the $1.4 billion mark. Well, that’s very interesting. I didn’t know that at all. Learn something new everyday! |
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Post by Ryushinku on May 29, 2018 2:21:05 GMT -5
That's without even getting into the lower revenue cut films get from China. It's a very complicated situation.
The general rule of thumb to get a vague idea, certainly with blockbusters, has been to triple the budget. So if your film made $500m worldwide and cost £150m to make, congrats, that's $50m profit before you even get into home release sales. This is a position every film wants to be in.
If it made $500m but cost $200m, not so hot. You're losing money at the cinemas. But there's a chance that strong home sales and other revenue streams might bail you out and you can at least break even, even if no-one is throwing you a celebration party. Mad Max Fury Road actually was in this boat, due to the protracted shooting costs ballooning the budget, but made up for it easily in the DVD and Bluray grosses.
Made $500m, cost $250m, time to find a desk to hide under.
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Post by hassanchop on May 29, 2018 6:34:30 GMT -5
www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/05/25/box-office-solo-a-star-wars-story-bombs-in-china-with-3m-friday/#2ef4c3c61a6aBox Office: 'Solo: A Star Wars Story' Bombs In China With $3M Friday  As expected, Solo: A Star Wars Story was DOA in China, earning just $3.3 million on its first day of release. That's way below the $9.7m opening day of The Last Jedi, the $10.7m opening day for Rogue One and obviously below the $33m opening day for The Force Awakens. China got its first theatrical taste of Star Wars with The Force Awakens and they (as a whole) didn't care much for it. As such, Force Awakens earned just $124 million from a $33m opening day, while Rogue One earned $69m the next year and The Last Jedi ended its run with just $42.6m in what is now the world's biggest moviegoing marketplace. As noted yesterday, there is no law saying that China must embrace the Force on a level equal to North American moviegoers. Walt Disney clearly doesn't need China to push Star Wars into mega-hit status. Besides, it's not like there aren't other Disney flicks (Infinity War, Coco, etc.) that can make up the difference. At this point, I have to wonder if Disney will bother to even open Star Wars 9 in China, unless it's a kind of face-saving package deal that comes with Frozen 2. Having said all of that, I do think it's a little odd that Disney would schedule a day-and-date release for Solo knowing full-well that the flick would probably bomb there. The film earned a miserable $3.3 million on Friday, including $120,000 in midnight previews. The good news, and I'm trying here, is that it was less "midnight-to-Friday" frontloaded than the last two Star Wars flicks. But we're still looking at a likely over/under $9.5 million opening weekend, which in turn will likely lead to a total of between $14.5m (if it plays like Last Jedi) and $22m (if it plays like Rogue One). Again, Disney, Lucasfilm and the Star Wars brand will presumably survive (and thrive) without China. On the plus side, this poor Star Wars showing will make it easier for Avengers: Infinity War to top the $320 million total of Transformers: Age of Extinction (assuming it hasn't done so already). At this rate of descent, Star Wars IX will be lucky to earn even $11.38m in China.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 29, 2018 9:23:11 GMT -5
Saw it over the weekend. It was a pretty damn fun movie.
Alden Ehrenreich did a fine job as Han Solo. I don't envy him for having to attempt that.
The reveal of how Solo got his last name was very lame.
I thought Enfys Nest was "Infant's Nest" and assumed it would be Qi'ra under the mask, having taken over the Corellian crime syndicate run by the worm lady. Thank god they didn't go that route.
SHOUTOUT TO TERAS KASI!
Everything Chewbacca was great. Loved the move where he gorilla pressed a guy head first into the ground.
Very cool villain.
Han and Lando had good chemistry, just made you want to see more of them together. Couldn't care less about Han and Qi'ra.
Hated L3. Came across as very hamfisted and out of place.
The Kessel Run sequence was pretty neat. Nice detail of Han lying about making it in 12 parsecs. (It is if you round down!) In ANH he says "less than 12 parsecs," continuing to exaggerate.
The shot of the Star Destroyer in the cloud was amazing.
Last Jedi was a well polished turd that killed my enthusiasm for Star Wars. Solo reinvigorated the interest a little. Unfortunately I think I'll just be looking forward to the Star Wars Story movies more than the main series movies.
I really wish I could see what the Lord and Miller version was like.
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