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Post by "Trickster Dogg" James Jesse on Jun 4, 2018 12:09:35 GMT -5
My ranking of the SW movies, now that Solo is out.
1. The Empire Strikes Back.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 4, 2018 12:36:51 GMT -5
I heard people over the weekend using the fact that Ron Howard coming into the movie late as a reason why the box office has been so (for a SW movie, & considering Disney's expectations) low. IIRC, the idea of a Han Solo origin movie was kinda getting crapped on - or just wasn't seen as a huge buzzworthy event - since it'd been announced. I figured that doomed the project's box office well before anything else... I think it's because it wasn't really a necessary movie. I feel the same way about an Obi-Wan movie, though at least that might have the saving grace of Ewan reprising his role. At least with Rogue One, it's about an entirely original cast of characters that tell a fairly new story leading directly into the original trilogy. Han Solo's backstory is better suited for a comic series or a book, not a full blown movie IMO.
But yeah, there's never been much buzz around it, even before Ron Howard came on board. The Lord/Miller version would've likely been even worse, assuming the supposed actors' revolt they had on set even resulted in a movie being made.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 4, 2018 13:35:03 GMT -5
It bein kinda mediocre box office wise doesn't seem that complicated when even your die hard fans only have tepid anticipation for it. I don't know that I've seen or heard anyone go "I'm so excited for Solo!" even when it was first slated. Not a bad movie at all, but one you could easily wait till Netflix or whatever. When I was a kid I had all of the "Essential Guides" and could name every character, even like the six breasted lady in Jabba's Palace. For Solo, I merely got to "That doesn't look terrible" when seeing the previews. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 4, 2018 13:48:55 GMT -5
Right. Rogue One's trailers were also pretty great.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 4, 2018 14:07:14 GMT -5
You know, I don't know if anybody will agree with me, but I'm gonna say it anyways - I think the movie would've easily made its profit if it had been released in December. I think seeing Star Wars in theaters has become part of people's Christmas tradition and it would have had much less competition. Releasing it a week after Deadpool and a month after Infinity War just had people worn out.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 4, 2018 15:16:18 GMT -5
I heard people over the weekend using the fact that Ron Howard coming into the movie late as a reason why the box office has been so (for a SW movie, & considering Disney's expectations) low. IIRC, the idea of a Han Solo origin movie was kinda getting crapped on - or just wasn't seen as a huge buzzworthy event - since it'd been announced. I figured that doomed the project's box office well before anything else... I think it's because it wasn't really a necessary movie. I feel the same way about an Obi-Wan movie, though at least that might have the saving grace of Ewan reprising his role. At least with Rogue One, it's about an entirely original cast of characters that tell a fairly new story leading directly into the original trilogy. Han Solo's backstory is better suited for a comic series or a book, not a full blown movie IMO.
But yeah, there's never been much buzz around it, even before Ron Howard came on board. The Lord/Miller version would've likely been even worse, assuming the supposed actors' revolt they had on set even resulted in a movie being made.
I feel like the film could've had some more purpose if it really went and tried to do something really stylistically different; I heard the rumors that the Lord/Miller version was a lot more off the wall and funny, which could've been a good choice given the subject matter...of course it's moot because they clearly had issues on set that weren't going to be resolved, but if you're going to make a "young Han Solo" movie I think it'd be better to go full 100% Indiana Jones pulp adventure style mixed with some fun "space outlaw/space mafia" style tropes. I haven't seen this yet so I can't say how they tried to pull it off, but I'm hearing a lot of people say it felt a bit boring while they probably should've just gone for something more stylish and unique; maybe I'll get to see this week. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 4, 2018 15:22:29 GMT -5
Clearly its disappointing numbers is bevause they didn't use the Han Solo song from Star Wars kinect.
Or poor word of mouth pre release... though i've only really heard people who have seen it say they liked it... but I think the troubled production and honestly bad timing of the release are why....
But its still probably the lack of kinect song.
Granted this could also hang on forever and make a ton of money in later runs I mean Spider-Man was in theaters until like December last year.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 4, 2018 15:25:29 GMT -5
Clearly its disappointing numbers is bevause they didn't use the Han Solo song from Star Wars kinect. Or poor word of mouth pre release... though i've only really heard people who have seen it say they liked it... but I think the troubled production and honestly bad timing of the release are why.... But its still probably the lack of kinect song. Granted this could also hang on forever and make a ton of money in later runs I mean Spider-Man was in theaters until like December last year. How the hell did this fly under my radar. Hilarious. |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 4, 2018 16:13:19 GMT -5
I think it's because it wasn't really a necessary movie. I feel the same way about an Obi-Wan movie, though at least that might have the saving grace of Ewan reprising his role. At least with Rogue One, it's about an entirely original cast of characters that tell a fairly new story leading directly into the original trilogy. Han Solo's backstory is better suited for a comic series or a book, not a full blown movie IMO.
But yeah, there's never been much buzz around it, even before Ron Howard came on board. The Lord/Miller version would've likely been even worse, assuming the supposed actors' revolt they had on set even resulted in a movie being made.
I feel like the film could've had some more purpose if it really went and tried to do something really stylistically different; I heard the rumors that the Lord/Miller version was a lot more off the wall and funny, which could've been a good choice given the subject matter...of course it's moot because they clearly had issues on set that weren't going to be resolved, but if you're going to make a "young Han Solo" movie I think it'd be better to go full 100% Indiana Jones pulp adventure style mixed with some fun "space outlaw/space mafia" style tropes. I haven't seen this yet so I can't say how they tried to pull it off, but I'm hearing a lot of people say it felt a bit boring while they probably should've just gone for something more stylish and unique; maybe I'll get to see this week. I don't think Lord and Miller's style made them the ideal fit for this movie and I wondered why they were attached to it in the first place. You can do fun pulpy adventure-style movies in Star Wars and have it fit within the continuity, but their style was apparently way too over-the-top outlandish for everyone from the actors to the producers. Reports were their movie came off more like parody than anything.
They'd be like, the perfect fit for a movie version of Tag and Bink, though.
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Post by Pooh Carlson on Jun 4, 2018 16:36:53 GMT -5
You know, I don't know if anybody will agree with me, but I'm gonna say it anyways - I think the movie would've easily made its profit if it had been released in December. I think seeing Star Wars in theaters has become part of people's Christmas tradition and it would have had much less competition. Releasing it a week after Deadpool and a month after Infinity War just had people worn out. I think it definitely would've had a better shot. It wasn't in as many theaters as it normally may have been because Deadpool out the week before. Truth be told, I wasn't super hyped about it since the beginning and didn't have my hopes very far up. Didn't see why a Solo movie was necessary. I loved the movie, seen it twice now, but yeah, between the release date, Last Jedi disappointment, and lack of hype, it had a bit going against it. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jun 4, 2018 17:40:56 GMT -5
You know, I don't know if anybody will agree with me, but I'm gonna say it anyways - I think the movie would've easily made its profit if it had been released in December. I think seeing Star Wars in theaters has become part of people's Christmas tradition and it would have had much less competition. Releasing it a week after Deadpool and a month after Infinity War just had people worn out. Disney's betting big on the Mary Poppins movie for both box office and awards in December, so they wouldn't be releasing one of their big franchises then too. The most likely thing is they were so disillusioned with it that they sort of sacrificed it so they could claim "Oh, too much competition" as an out rather than release it with no competition and have it bomb any way. And it was always going to disappoint; there was no real buzz around it and no positive word of mouth. |
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jun 4, 2018 18:50:32 GMT -5
You know, I don't know if anybody will agree with me, but I'm gonna say it anyways - I think the movie would've easily made its profit if it had been released in December. I think seeing Star Wars in theaters has become part of people's Christmas tradition and it would have had much less competition. Releasing it a week after Deadpool and a month after Infinity War just had people worn out. For me August should have been the release. No major releases as far as I know then as competition. Foolish mistake releasing it when there's too much competition with Deadpool, Avengers and Jurassic World. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 4, 2018 19:13:53 GMT -5
For me August should have been the release. No major releases as far as I know then as competition. Foolish mistake releasing it when there's too much competition with Deadpool, Avengers and Jurassic World. August has Ant-Man and the Wasp, Christopher Robin, and Happytime Murders. And Mission: Impossible is released last week of July. October has Venom, Mowgli, Halloween, and Bohemian Rhapsody. November has Fantastic Beasts 2, The Grinch, Robin Hood, Wreck-It Ralph 2, and Creed 2. December has Mortal Engines, Aquaman, Mary Poppins, and Bumblebee. September would probably have been the best bet. Oscar bait releases and a few smaller releases that might take a decent amount of money, with The Predator being the only release that would fall into the same target demographics. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 4, 2018 19:17:29 GMT -5
Clearly its disappointing numbers is bevause they didn't use the Han Solo song from Star Wars kinect. Or poor word of mouth pre release... though i've only really heard people who have seen it say they liked it... but I think the troubled production and honestly bad timing of the release are why.... But its still probably the lack of kinect song. Granted this could also hang on forever and make a ton of money in later runs I mean Spider-Man was in theaters until like December last year. How the hell did this fly under my radar. Hilarious. again 20 billion dollars guaranteed! I'm surprised I haven't made this joke in the thread until now >_> |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 4, 2018 19:31:29 GMT -5
For me August should have been the release. No major releases as far as I know then as competition. Foolish mistake releasing it when there's too much competition with Deadpool, Avengers and Jurassic World. August has Ant-Man and the Wasp, Christopher Robin, and Happytime Murders. And Mission: Impossible is released last week of July Ant-Man and the Wasp comes out July 6. While I expect it to be successful I'd be really surprised if it had any steam left come August. Christopher Robin and the Happytime Murders really aren't aiming for the same audience as something like Solo. That leaves Mission Impossible as the only real contender, and if they scheduled it right (like mid-August) then it wouldn't be much of a direct competitor. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 4, 2018 19:36:07 GMT -5
August has Ant-Man and the Wasp, Christopher Robin, and Happytime Murders. And Mission: Impossible is released last week of July Ant-Man and the Wasp comes out July 6. While I expect it to be successful I'd be really surprised if it had any steam left come August. Christopher Robin and the Happytime Murders really aren't aiming for the same audience as something like Solo. That leaves Mission Impossible as the only real contender, and if they scheduled it right (like mid-August) then it wouldn't be much of a direct competitor. Ah, I just double checked. It's delayed until the last week of July and early August in the larger European markets to avoid clashing with the FIFA World Cup, and I only took notice of the U.K. release (August 3rd). |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 4, 2018 20:19:17 GMT -5
You know, I don't know if anybody will agree with me, but I'm gonna say it anyways - I think the movie would've easily made its profit if it had been released in December. I think seeing Star Wars in theaters has become part of people's Christmas tradition and it would have had much less competition. Releasing it a week after Deadpool and a month after Infinity War just had people worn out. Disney's betting big on the Mary Poppins movie for both box office and awards in December, so they wouldn't be releasing one of their big franchises then too. The most likely thing is they were so disillusioned with it that they sort of sacrificed it so they could claim "Oh, too much competition" as an out rather than release it with no competition and have it bomb any way. And it was always going to disappoint; there was no real buzz around it and no positive word of mouth. I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe it was just me, but the advertising and marketing blitz felt far less intense compared to even Rogue One. There also don't seem to be as many toys out as there were for TFA, TLJ, and R1. I don't think they set it up to fail or anything, just that they didn't have high expectations to begin with. |
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Post by Ryushinku on Jun 5, 2018 0:53:30 GMT -5
Still hard to believe it's tanking this bad. Even if it can recover some, based on nothing but hope yet, and have stronger legs late on, you'd still be talking...well...$450m worldwide tops. At the moment, $415m is looking more likely.
Which is a bomb, plain and simple. Not mediocre, not disappointing (though it is), just a flat-out plain as day bomb. A very big one, in fact.
Home sales and merch will help, but it's looking like this is gonna be much too deep in the hole for it to make money back even then.
Lots of varied reasons for it, for a film that most people coming out of seem to say they like. But stronger than anything, I've got to agree with others that said this and the reason I personally didn't buy a ticket, was that I was not interested in this tale. Not enough to go to the cinema, anyway. The concept just never grabbed me, and neither does the Boba Fett movie. Obi-Wan, yeah, if it's McGregor, that could. But not Solo...Netflix/bluray/skip kind of movie.
It's a bluray/Netflix/skip it kind of film.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 5, 2018 1:50:22 GMT -5
Still hard to believe it's tanking this bad. Even if it can recover some, based on nothing but hope yet, and have stronger legs late on, you'd still be talking...well...$450m worldwide tops. At the moment, $415m is looking more likely. Which is a bomb, plain and simple. Not mediocre, not disappointing (though it is), just a flat-out plain as day bomb. A very big one, in fact. Estimates are that if it continues to drop as expected Disney will take a loss of $80-100 million. Even with home release and merch it's probably not gonna do much better than breaking even. |
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Post by Fade on Jun 5, 2018 3:06:36 GMT -5
Disney: hey, it's not John Carter.
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