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Post by Shaq-Fu on Oct 26, 2016 22:54:59 GMT -5
You mean, the exact thing it seems you're trying to do right now? Looks to me like she's rocking the Dutch Braid, a hairstyle that certainly isn't exclusive to black people or black culture. Doesn't seem like there's any reason to make this a race issue, imo. Actually, that's what you are doing. Nobody is saying it's exclusive to black culture. Braids are undeniably part of black American culture. Like, that's not even debatable. Oh, I absolutely agree with you, I'd just say they're also a part of white American culture. Thus rendering any claims of "cultural appropriation" moot. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 26, 2016 23:00:05 GMT -5
Actually, that's what you are doing. Nobody is saying it's exclusive to black culture. Braids are undeniably part of black American culture. Like, that's not even debatable. Oh, I absolutely agree with you, I'd just say they're also a part of white American culture. Thus rendering any claims of "cultural appropriation" moot. Actually, no it doesn't. In America, braids/dreads are associated with black people. In what way is that associated with American white culture in ways that aren't clearly influenced by black culture? Like I said, yes, other cultures had braids. And yes, some white Americans take inspiration for that. But the vast majority don't. And that's what makes it cultural appropriation. It's taking something that's very clearly associated and popularized by one race, a race that has been horribly marginalized by the dominant culture, and having somebody from said dominant culture use it for themselves with no real care given to the culture they are taking it from. Now, I don't know Mandy Rose. She could be super chill. And maybe she is one of the few that got inspired by other cultures. But no, people actually do have a very fair right to accuse her of appropriation. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 23:03:04 GMT -5
First, has it been confirmed anywhere the race of the person she took the photo of? A lot of people are saying nasty things in both directions with very little information that I can find. With that said, can we please stop with shaming and the attacks going on in here? While there is a very real issue surrounding people, their culture, their genetics and their hair, neither side in here has shown they want to actually take part in a discussion. While the facts in this bit with Mandy Rose are foggy at best, that does not mean this is a free space to call people out, take a swipe and run or anything of that nature. That's what I'm saying. There's no way to tell if the person is black, a woman, or if she's actually making fun of the hair. As I said, she very well could have been stuck behind the same annoying person on 3 flights. I just don't jump to shaming someone when there's no way to know what the intention was. |
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Post by Lazy peon on Oct 26, 2016 23:03:29 GMT -5
Except this isn't "cultural appropriation", black people didn't invent braiding hair nor is it exclusive to black culture. In American culture, dreads/braids are absolutely a part of black culture. You really think white people are getting the idea from ancient vikings? No, they get it from people they see in modern culture with it. Most of whom happen to be...BLACK PEOPLE! So yes, it's cultural appropriation and the fact that people are so adamant to tell a race what does and does not belong to their culture says a ton. If simply taking something that's popular from another culture is cultural appropriation, why the hell do some people think it's so bad? It doesn't hurt anyone or anything. People have been sharing culture throughout all history. Some white girls wearing braids isn't gonna harm black culture the least bit. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 26, 2016 23:06:30 GMT -5
In American culture, dreads/braids are absolutely a part of black culture. You really think white people are getting the idea from ancient vikings? No, they get it from people they see in modern culture with it. Most of whom happen to be...BLACK PEOPLE! So yes, it's cultural appropriation and the fact that people are so adamant to tell a race what does and does not belong to their culture says a ton. If simply taking something that's popular from another culture is cultural appropriation, why the hell do some people think it's so bad? It doesn't hurt anyone or anything. People have been sharing culture throughout all history. Some white girls wearing braids isn't gonna harm black culture the least bit. For the exact same reason people got pissed off when Miley Cyrus started twerking and it became cool when black folk had been doing it for years and years and it was considered trashy/ghetto. It's the very clear message that a tradition/look/whatever has to be associated with whiteness to be acceptable by the general population. It's the clear sign of white supremacy that exists in American culture. As a black person, it makes you feel pretty shitty. Your culture doesn't matter until white people says it matters. |
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Post by Lazy peon on Oct 26, 2016 23:20:00 GMT -5
If simply taking something that's popular from another culture is cultural appropriation, why the hell do some people think it's so bad? It doesn't hurt anyone or anything. People have been sharing culture throughout all history. Some white girls wearing braids isn't gonna harm black culture the least bit. For the exact same reason people got pissed off when Miley Cyrus started twerking and it became cool when black folk had been doing it for years and years and it was considered trashy/ghetto. It's the very clear message that a tradition/look/whatever has to be associated with whiteness to be acceptable by the general population. It's the clear sign of white supremacy that exists in American culture. As a black person, it makes you feel pretty shitty. Your culture doesn't matter until white people says it matters. I can agree that would feel shitty. But some people think the answer to that is to essentially tell white people they shouldn't to do or wear anything from non-white cultures, which is also shitty. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 26, 2016 23:21:38 GMT -5
For the exact same reason people got pissed off when Miley Cyrus started twerking and it became cool when black folk had been doing it for years and years and it was considered trashy/ghetto. It's the very clear message that a tradition/look/whatever has to be associated with whiteness to be acceptable by the general population. It's the clear sign of white supremacy that exists in American culture. As a black person, it makes you feel pretty shitty. Your culture doesn't matter until white people says it matters. I can agree that would feel shitty. But some people think the answer to that is to essentially tell white people they shouldn't to do or wear anything from non-white cultures, which is also shitty. Really, the answer would be to just stop having such a mainstream focus on whiteness but that ain't about to change any time soon so, yeah. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 23:24:19 GMT -5
If simply taking something that's popular from another culture is cultural appropriation, why the hell do some people think it's so bad? It doesn't hurt anyone or anything. People have been sharing culture throughout all history. Some white girls wearing braids isn't gonna harm black culture the least bit. For the exact same reason people got pissed off when Miley Cyrus started twerking and it became cool when black folk had been doing it for years and years and it was considered trashy/ghetto. It's the very clear message that a tradition/look/whatever has to be associated with whiteness to be acceptable by the general population. It's the clear sign of white supremacy that exists in American culture. As a black person, it makes you feel pretty shitty. Your culture doesn't matter until white people says it matters. Yep, this x 1000. I don't know but a lot of people (those who aren't black) just don't get it. That's absolutely the truth. I actually saw a Youtube video with a white woman showing off braids on a white girl and she said it was a "new fad that's just hit and is amazing." All I was thinking was "who says it's new?" Same reason why JT thought he could get away with that hairstyle at the VMAs all those years ago.  To this day he regrets that apparently. |
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Post by Heartbreaker on Oct 26, 2016 23:24:37 GMT -5
If simply taking something that's popular from another culture is cultural appropriation, why the hell do some people think it's so bad? It doesn't hurt anyone or anything. People have been sharing culture throughout all history. Some white girls wearing braids isn't gonna harm black culture the least bit. For the exact same reason people got pissed off when Miley Cyrus started twerking and it became cool when black folk had been doing it for years and years and it was considered trashy/ghetto. It's the very clear message that a tradition/look/whatever has to be associated with whiteness to be acceptable by the general population. It's the clear sign of white supremacy that exists in American culture. As a black person, it makes you feel pretty shitty. Your culture doesn't matter until white people says it matters. Basically this. I remember about a year ago on instagram, there were pictures from a make-up brand and one of the pictures was of a black model's larger lips. The comments were full of racism from white girls... those very girls probably idolize Kylie Jenner and her fake ass lips. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 26, 2016 23:26:13 GMT -5
Aight, appropriation or not, that picture of Timberlake is f***ing hilarious.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 26, 2016 23:27:24 GMT -5
You mean, the exact thing it seems you're trying to do right now? Looks to me like she's rocking the Dutch Braid, a hairstyle that certainly isn't exclusive to black people or black culture. Doesn't seem like there's any reason to make this a race issue, imo. Actually, that's what you are doing. Nobody is saying it's exclusive to black culture. Braids are undeniably part of black American culture. Like, that's not even debatable. Dutch braid. Dutch. Clue is in the title. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 23:29:59 GMT -5
Actually, that's what you are doing. Nobody is saying it's exclusive to black culture. Braids are undeniably part of black American culture. Like, that's not even debatable. Dutch braid. Dutch. Clue is in the title. Do you honestly think most of America would classify that hairstyle as a "dutch braid" compared to associating it with blacks? Be serious here. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 26, 2016 23:30:56 GMT -5
Actually, that's what you are doing. Nobody is saying it's exclusive to black culture. Braids are undeniably part of black American culture. Like, that's not even debatable. Dutch braid. Dutch. Clue is in the title. And still not getting it. Nobody is saying black people are the only people to do braids. But in American culture, it's a part of black culture and has been for decades. Honest to god, do you think the average white American is looking up textbooks and going like, "man, Dutch people are cool, I want this?" Again, some do but the majority don't. They see the people around them with the style and want to imitate it. Who are those people? Black people, black people, and yes, BLACK people! That's the last time I'm saying it because if you still don't get it, there is nothing I can say on a professional wrestling board that will get it through to you. |
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Post by Richard on Oct 26, 2016 23:35:52 GMT -5
In a minor bit of traffic directions, allow me to remind you we're a worldwide board. Not everyone is American, will be able to speak on American culture, or know if Americans will know something. Same for the English expecting Americans to have a cultural knowledge of something. What is common is not actually that common.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 26, 2016 23:43:15 GMT -5
In a minor bit of traffic directions, allow me to remind you we're a worldwide board. Not everyone is American, will be able to speak on American culture, or know if Americans will know something. Same for the English expecting Americans to have a cultural knowledge of something. What is common is not actually that common. Thank you for bringing that up, that honestly got lost on me. This is a pretty sensitive topic with me and one that can very quickly get a rise out of me but I do take fault for not remembering different countries and all that. So, apologizes if I've come off as condescending or anything but I am trying to make a genuine effort to educate and discuss this. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 26, 2016 23:45:06 GMT -5
Dutch braid. Dutch. Clue is in the title. And still not getting it. Nobody is saying black people are the only people to do braids. But in American culture, it's a part of black culture and has been for decades. Honest to god, do you think the average white American is looking up textbooks and going like, "man, Dutch people are cool, I want this?" Again, some do but the majority don't. They see the people around them with the style and want to imitate it. Who are those people? Black people, black people, and yes, BLACK people! That's the last time I'm saying it because if you still don't get it, there is nothing I can say on a professional wrestling board that will get it through to you. I'm in my 20s and I live in England. Most people I see with any form of braided hair are vegans, Romani, Cybergoths or schoolgirls. Who knows, maybe she's just a No Doubt fan?  |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 26, 2016 23:47:01 GMT -5
And still not getting it. Nobody is saying black people are the only people to do braids. But in American culture, it's a part of black culture and has been for decades. Honest to god, do you think the average white American is looking up textbooks and going like, "man, Dutch people are cool, I want this?" Again, some do but the majority don't. They see the people around them with the style and want to imitate it. Who are those people? Black people, black people, and yes, BLACK people! That's the last time I'm saying it because if you still don't get it, there is nothing I can say on a professional wrestling board that will get it through to you. I'm in my 20s and I live in England. Most people I see with any form of braided hair are vegans, Romani, Cybergoths or schoolgirls. Who knows, maybe she's just a No Doubt fan? Please read the big bolded part and keep in mind the conext of the conversation. Please. Context makes a huge difference. |
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Post by Lazy peon on Oct 26, 2016 23:47:23 GMT -5
Who knows, maybe she's just a No Doubt fan? I doubt it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 23:54:28 GMT -5
I'll say this because nobody mentioned this point yet. Mandy Rose might be coming back from some bootcamp training sessions at The Performance Center and might of been wearing the braids to maintain the hair from falling all over the place. Kind of like how MMA chicks train with braids and usually keep them on until they finished there fight. Other than that I have really nothing to add in this thread because I don't have the experiences or perspective as some of the other posters have nor I know what the context was of the incident or who was sitting in front of Mandy Rose. Shit it could be a inside joke with No Way Jose.
Edit: But if Mandy Rose was shaming her for having long natural hair than f***ing shame on her.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Oct 27, 2016 0:01:05 GMT -5
I'm in my 20s and I live in England. Most people I see with any form of braided hair are vegans, Romani, Cybergoths or schoolgirls. Who knows, maybe she's just a No Doubt fan? Please read the big bolded part and keep in mind the conext of the conversation. Please. Context makes a huge difference. It's also one of the signature hairstlyes Kylie from that family (if I put their surname entire posts won't show up because I have a filter that blocks news of them out)I find her stealing Kylie J's hairstyle to be fairly plausible considering we already had Alicia Fox being a Rihanna ripoff for about 3 years |
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