ERON
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Post by ERON on Jan 5, 2017 20:22:51 GMT -5
I loved all three movies equally as a kid. As an adult, I put Empire first and Jedi last, but that's no slight against Jedi. I still love it. The whole Jabba sequence at the beginning and the Luke/Vader fight at the end are both amazing. The only flaw for me is the brother-sister reveal, which comes across as forced and unnecessary to me.
Also, people give the Battle of Endor way too much flak. History is rife with examples of tribal natives using guerrilla tactics to defeat well-regulated soliders. The Ewoks beating the Stormtroopers isn't any more far-fetched than, for instance, Arminius defeating the Romans in the Teutoburg Forest in 9 AD.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 5, 2017 20:24:21 GMT -5
Yeah, there are aspects of the Ewoks I could get some people not entirely liking, but they're there to represent the ability of guerrilla fighters, especially ones that seem "primitive" to an imperial power, to drag down even the seemingly most powerful armies. Sure, they do it quickly instead of in a drawn out occupation, but this is an adventure movie, not a documentary.
Just said it in the other thread, but maybe a reason why some of us get drawn to Empire more as we get older and get a bit colder on Jedi (while still loving it, by and large) is that Empire took everything about A New Hope and expanded it to an enormous degree, and really made the themes of the Star Wars universe seem only as limited as your imagination, from Yoda's mysticism to just how dark and scary the Empire could be beyond its sheer intimidation in Episode IV. RotJ...doesn't do a lot of that. It does some, namely in the throne room scenes, but it kind of gets things back to the status quo to set up the happy ending, without continuing that feeling of expanding the thematic elements that Empire really grabbed us with.
But it just handles so much of that status quo so well that you still can't help but love it...yet you still sometimes can't help but wonder "what if?" in terms of them continuing down a more Empire-inspired road, instead.
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Post by Glitch on Jan 5, 2017 20:26:00 GMT -5
One thing people seem to leave out is the fact that ROTJ had much better acting than New Hope. That movie had the classic,hammy style of acting we saw Lucas use later in the prequel trilogy.
One of favorite scenes in Jedi was when you see Ackbar's reaction when a pilot kamekazis into the Star Destroyer command center. You see all the other Rebel crew cheering, but Ackbar sits back in a long hard thought at the sacrifice of the pilot. That part gets to me. At the 6:36 mark.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jan 5, 2017 20:34:47 GMT -5
One thing people seem to leave out is the fact that ROTJ had much better acting than New Hope. That movie had the classic,hammy style of acting we saw Lucas use later in the prequel trilogy. One of favorite scenes in Jedi was when you see Ackbar's reaction when a pilot kamekazis into the Star Destroyer command center. You see all the other Rebel crew cheering, but Ackbar sits back in a long hard thought at the sacrifice of the pilot. That part gets to me. At the 6:36 mark. Now that's interesting. I've always assumed that Ackbar was shocked and relieved that the Super Star Destroyer had actually been taken out.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 6, 2017 10:37:52 GMT -5
I just think it's funny that it being the least regarded of the OT parallels it having the most infuriating changes in later editions.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 6, 2017 10:49:31 GMT -5
One thing people seem to leave out is the fact that ROTJ had much better acting than New Hope. That movie had the classic,hammy style of acting we saw Lucas use later in the prequel trilogy. One of favorite scenes in Jedi was when you see Ackbar's reaction when a pilot kamekazis into the Star Destroyer command center. You see all the other Rebel crew cheering, but Ackbar sits back in a long hard thought at the sacrifice of the pilot. That part gets to me. At the 6:36 mark. Now that's interesting. I've always assumed that Ackbar was shocked and relieved that the Super Star Destroyer had actually been taken out. What's really interesting is talking about good acting, then focusing on a puppet. Seriously good puppeteering though. Also agree with the general point that the acting was better in ROTJ (and I'd say Empire as well) than in ANH. I don't think it is a coincidence that ANH is the only one Lucas directed.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 6, 2017 11:47:56 GMT -5
Also agree with the general point that the acting was better in ROTJ (and I'd say Empire as well) than in ANH. I don't think it is a coincidence that ANH is the only one Lucas directed. "George, you can type this shit, but you can't say it." - Harrison Ford. I'm pretty sure ESB and ROTJ would be less fondly regarded had Lucas been director for them as well.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 6, 2017 12:14:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure ESB and ROTJ would be less fondly regarded had Lucas been director for them as well. Hell, his wife did the lion's share of real work in editing. Had it not been for her, Star Wars would've been a forgettable dud, and we would've never gotten Disney's The Black Hole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 12:48:54 GMT -5
It's funny how most of what people love about Star Wars didn't actually come from George Lucas.
He reminds me of Vince McMahon. He created this great thing, but the less hands on he is with it, the more fans seem to enjoy it.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 6, 2017 13:02:12 GMT -5
It's funny how most of what people love about Star Wars didn't actually come from George Lucas. He reminds me of Vince McMahon. He created this great thing, but the less hands on he is with it, the more fans seem to enjoy it. To be fair, Lucas would be more creative than Vince; Vince is a promoter, not really a creative mind (though he's had his moments), plus he got the advantage of buying out the largest territory from his own father. Meanwhile, for all of Lucas' flaws he at least came up with Star Wars as a concept. That said, I think you do have a fair point insofar as Vince was a guy who saw an opportunity to capitalize on a new market in a way nobody else in his industry had before: cable and pay per view. Lucas was a filmmaker who hated the studios, and wound up making his fortune by revolutionizing movie merchandising and promotion, which makes for an interesting parallel. Then both got older and really lost touch with the viewing public, so I guess that works too. Granted, Vince at least had a late 90s renaissance while Lucas was making the prequels, so, eh, can't all match up just right.
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Post by Captain & Diet on Jan 6, 2017 13:53:53 GMT -5
If we didn't have ROTJ then we wouldn't have this!
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Post by Cela on Jan 6, 2017 17:48:05 GMT -5
Luke going temporarily dark is the best lightsaber duel of the series. Forget the TNA style flippity bullshit of the prequels twirling twirling twirling towards freedom. I miss when the choreography was Sort of, "sort of" based on actual techniques rather than hummingbird cheerleading.
Might actually be my favorite moment in the series.
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Post by Cela on Jan 6, 2017 17:54:56 GMT -5
Also, one thing I'm surprised doesn't get more hate in this day and age. Chewbacca doing a Tarzan yell.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Jan 6, 2017 18:38:40 GMT -5
Also, one thing I'm surprised doesn't get more hate in this day and age. Chewbacca doing a Tarzan yell. We had a copy of the movie that was recorded from TV that I watched regularly that had that scene cut out. When I saw it for the first time in the Special Edition I thought it had been added for the Special Edition. Later I learned it was in the original version of the film. Yeah, it's pretty bad.
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