Been rewatching Legend of Korra

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Outside of seeing part of the season three premiere (until I got bored and changed the channel to Gravity Falls), I hadn't watched the show since the two-parter before the season two finale, but been working my way back through and left off before the original Avatar two-parter for now.

That said... I have no idea if I'm actually going to watch seasons three and four or not. Season one was not really as good as I remembered, still pretty solid but a lot of sloppy plotting along the way and I pretty much stopped caring any time Mako and Bolin did anything, but season two has basically been exactly as stupid and aimless as I thought it was the first time watching it. Kind of figured maybe I was making it worse in my mind but... Not really, no. Everyone's a whiny idiot, Unalaq's plan would be foolproof if he could just stop repeatedly shooting himself in the foot over and over in the name of being evil, Varrick's plan makes no sense and doesn't actually contribute anything to the plot, and looking at it again the animation is actually really bad compared to season one with a lot of times when people just plain aren't moving or they're randomly cross-eyed. And it also still suffers from a problem that I've really always had with the show, and seeing it still around is what really made me check out when I watched part of the season three premiere (specially the stuff with Mako and Bolin's family was about the, "Nope, done!" point for me, given I hate those two to begin with so I certainly don't want to see more of them), where they absolutely refuse to just let a cast member go if they don't actually have anything for them to do and just keep cramming in random cutaways and subplots that contribute nothing and just distract from the actual plot.

I do hear seasons three and four are better so I guess there is that... though everything I hear about the villain of season four makes her sound like a completely insufferable Mary Sue and I don't especially want to see that. Still, I'm thinking I'm at least going to watch season three since it's said to be better than two and two isn't excruciating or anything, just really stupid and lacking in cast members I actually like. Four'll probably depend on how I feel about that.

[MAGGLE]

Legend of Korra is better than last airbender in almost every aspect in my opinion. Its darker, stronger main character, no weird filler episodes in between.

Dont get me wrong TLAB is 10/10, but Korra is still better.

Fight choreography, background design, general artstyle
I could go on forever.

So dont watch season 3, its too good of a season to be just hated on because of nostlgia goggles.

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Feb 6, 2017 5:17:57 GMT -5 MAGGLE said:

Legend of Korra is better than last airbender in almost every aspect in my opinion. Its darker, stronger main character, no weird filler episodes in between.

Dont get me wrong TLAB is 10/10, but Korra is still better.

Fight choreography, background design, general artstyle
I could go on forever.

So dont watch season 3, its too good of a season to be just hated on because of nostlgia goggles.

I said absolutely nothing about Avatar so dunno why you're going to that right off.

That said... The original Avatar has its problems. I like the show a lot, personally a lot more than I do Korra (though that said I can get preferring Korra, because they're vastly different shows and outside of sharing the world, some of the cast, and the general rules of things they're not all that similar), but season one is very hit and miss, every season has at least one really awful filler episode, a lot of its comedy doesn't really work for me, and the energybending thing is a stupid deus ex machina that if anything I'll give Korra credit over because it attempted to actually explain it and make it a fleshed out part of this world in its own right and did a pretty good job of it. I'll also give Korra credit that I think Amon is easily better than every villain Avatar had.

As for the other things... When she's not being a moron constantly picking fights with people for no reason I do like Korra a lot as a character and find her very charming. I think though a lot of the time the show's darker nature feels more tacked on and forced than really organic and that a lot of its darker stuff is missing some of the gut punch of times Avatar would go that way, and if anything I wish there were more filler because a lot of the characters feel half-baked and the show feels way too attached to just having Korra lose over and over and over with no real wins for the heroes up until the end of the season and that can be kind of a mood killer, plus it's hard to take Korra as the more actiony Avatar seriously when she only wins like two fights a season. Though that said the filler episode focused on dating drama in season one is probably the worst episode of the show I've seen... though granted still better than stuff like the Painted Lady and the Great Divide. Say worse than Avatar Day though.

[HMARK Center]

Man, now Kuvira is getting called a Mary Sue? What does that term even mean anymore?

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

Feb 6, 2017 6:41:51 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Man, now Kuvira is getting called a Mary Sue? What does that term even mean anymore?

It doesn't mean anything anymore.

And honestly, I really enjoyed the character arcs in Season Two. Korra's family was in danger, to me it made perfect sense she would be less emotionally stable and more stubborn during that time period.

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Feb 6, 2017 6:41:51 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Man, now Kuvira is getting called a Mary Sue? What does that term even mean anymore?

Admittedly I know very little about her personally so I shouldn't really judge, but the way multiple people have described her to me is as a complete bore of a character who the plot keeps bending over backwards to make a threat when she really by all logic shouldn't be and who never really is actually beaten. Maybe that's completely off base but that's how multiple people have talked about her to me so it's kind of what I'm expecting.

Feb 6, 2017 7:45:50 GMT -5 BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps said:

Feb 6, 2017 6:41:51 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Man, now Kuvira is getting called a Mary Sue? What does that term even mean anymore?

It doesn't mean anything anymore.

And honestly, I really enjoyed the character arcs in Season Two. Korra's family was in danger, to me it made perfect sense she would be less emotionally stable and more stubborn during that time period.

Eh... I could see that if Korra were JUST being an idiot in regards to that, but even before anything's actually happened she's snapping at Mako over ever little thing he says and throwing a tantrum about how nobody respects her. Though I will say on rewatching though little of her actions make sense to me I did have an easier time buying she'd take as long as she does to see through Unalaq's bullshit. He's more convincing at first on a rewatch than he was on first viewing.

That said I did by the end of the season on first watching it come back around to liking Korra in the second half after she recovered from the pointless amnesia subplot and got her head in the game. More than can be said for Mako and Bolin, didn't really care about Mako in season one and disliked Bolin but the first time through season two made me actively hate them both.

Though one other thing I'll give season two is it irons out Asami a lot and finds a consistent direction for her. Season one she acts completely differently in basically every single scene while season two at least gives you a much more solid idea of who she actually is.

[A Platypus Rave is Correct]

Feb 6, 2017 5:17:57 GMT -5 MAGGLE said:

Legend of Korra is better than last airbender in almost every aspect in my opinion. Its darker, stronger main character, no weird filler episodes in between.

Dont get me wrong TLAB is 10/10, but Korra is still better.

Fight choreography, background design, general artstyle
I could go on forever.

So dont watch season 3, its too good of a season to be just hated on because of nostlgia goggles.

I don't think I can disagree with this more than I do.

Not that Korra is a bad show but it's nowhere near as good as The Last Airbender.

[BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps]

Feb 6, 2017 10:30:12 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave is Correct said:

Feb 6, 2017 5:17:57 GMT -5 MAGGLE said:

Legend of Korra is better than last airbender in almost every aspect in my opinion. Its darker, stronger main character, no weird filler episodes in between.

Dont get me wrong TLAB is 10/10, but Korra is still better.

Fight choreography, background design, general artstyle
I could go on forever.

So dont watch season 3, its too good of a season to be just hated on because of nostlgia goggles.

I don't think I can disagree with this more than I do.

Not that Korra is a bad show but it's nowhere near as good as The Last Airbender.

For me they're equally good at what they do. The setting and character dynamics are so different from the other show, I find myself enjoying them for different reasons. But they're probably my two favorite Nicktoons.

Regarding Korra's meltdown over the first half of Season Two, I felt it was a decent way to show that she still had room to grow. It wasn't to where I felt she had gone back to square one, more that she lost focus over people she cared deeply about being threatened. Because of that, it felt more meaningful to me when she got her head together.

[Long A, Short A]

Feb 6, 2017 5:17:57 GMT -5 MAGGLE said:

Legend of Korra is better than last airbender in almost every aspect in my opinion. Its darker, stronger main character, no weird filler episodes in between.

Dont get me wrong TLAB is 10/10, but Korra is still better.

Fight choreography, background design, general artstyle
I could go on forever.

So dont watch season 3, its too good of a season to be just hated on because of nostlgia goggles.

I love both show equally, but I have a bit of an issue with the whole filler thing. As much as I love LOK, I think they tried to do way too much in the short amount of time they gave themselves. I think some filler episodes could have done them some good. Especially in seasons three and four when Brike introduce cool things they can't really get into due to time.

[Dub H]

Feb 6, 2017 11:57:53 GMT -5 Long A, Short A said:

Feb 6, 2017 5:17:57 GMT -5 MAGGLE said:

Legend of Korra is better than last airbender in almost every aspect in my opinion. Its darker, stronger main character, no weird filler episodes in between.

Dont get me wrong TLAB is 10/10, but Korra is still better.

Fight choreography, background design, general artstyle
I could go on forever.

So dont watch season 3, its too good of a season to be just hated on because of nostlgia goggles.

I love both show equally, but I have a bit of an issue with the whole filler thing. As much as I love LOK, I think they tried to do way too much in the short amount of time they gave themselves. I think some filler episodes could have done them some good. Especially in seasons three and four when Brike introduce cool things they can't really get into due to time.

to be fair air bender they had as much time they wanted , Nick did everything they could to restrict Korra

[HMARK Center]

Yeah, Nick was awful with the way it handled LoK.

While I still enjoyed the high holy hell out of it, I'll definitely acknowledge that they didn't do enough to develop Mako and Bolin, particularly their relationship as brothers, as time went on. Not spoiling anything, but near the end of the series there's a moment from Mako that has some decent emotional impact, but if they had explored his character a bit more it would've felt ten times as powerful, I think, given the circumstances of the way the moment goes down.

[Dub H]

Feb 6, 2017 13:31:15 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Yeah, Nick was awful with the way it handled LoK.

While I still enjoyed the high holy hell out of it, I'll definitely acknowledge that they didn't do enough to develop Mako and Bolin, particularly their relationship as brothers, as time went on. Not spoiling anything, but near the end of the series there's a moment from Mako that has some decent emotional impact, but if they had explored his character a bit more it would've felt ten times as powerful, I think, given the circumstances of the way the moment goes down.

To be fair if the worst thing you can say about a series is"they didnt have enough time",it is almost a compliment

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Feb 6, 2017 13:44:15 GMT -5 Dub H said:

Feb 6, 2017 13:31:15 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Yeah, Nick was awful with the way it handled LoK.

While I still enjoyed the high holy hell out of it, I'll definitely acknowledge that they didn't do enough to develop Mako and Bolin, particularly their relationship as brothers, as time went on. Not spoiling anything, but near the end of the series there's a moment from Mako that has some decent emotional impact, but if they had explored his character a bit more it would've felt ten times as powerful, I think, given the circumstances of the way the moment goes down.

To be fair if the worst thing you can say about a series is"they didnt have enough time",it is almost a compliment

Kind of relates to something that bugs me on a basic conceptual level with the show, though to be fair with the short leash they were on in making the last three seasons and not having intended to do them in the first place I can understand it.

Specifically... They start with a revolutionary leader. Fair enough, good way to start that's high stakes but can be stepped up from. Season two... The devil. Season three, evil Gaang. Season four, doing the revolution thing again, albeit on a bigger scale.

Just seems rather backwards to me. Kind of hard to buy anything afterward as a threat if Korra's already beaten the devil.

Though I suppose that's a good reason why I should go ahead and give season three a shot, season two was really in a pretty unenviable position having to basically force follow-up to a story that's already been finished.

[The Legend of Groose]

I thought season 1 was flat out amazing. I get why people who liked TLA did not like Korra. TLA has a mix of action, good story telling, and some funny bits. Korra really lacks a good deal of funny bits to be more serious. Season 2 was a major step down but season 3 and 4 do get better, sadly not many I know saw season 3 and 4 due to Nick screwing that show over.

["Trickster Dogg" James Jesse]

I'd rank seasons of Korra as 3, 4, 1, 2, and rank seasons of Avatar on the whole as Korra 3, Airbender 2, Airbender 3, Korra 4, Korra 1, Airbender 1, Korra 2.

Season 1 is pretty strong, although it doesn't quite stick the landing in the last couple of episodes.

Season 2 has a lot of interesting ideas, but it is not narratively consistent episode to episode and as a season as a whole.

Season 3 has some problems with lots of characters being split up and moving around, but the larger themes are so strong, especially considering that this is basically a children's show, that this is easily my favourite season of Avatar.

Season 4 does a great job dealing with the ramifications of Season 3, although some of the character beats don't land as well as they could given what people have mentioned above. Still, the choice of villain and the way that Korra deals with the ultimate big battle are wonderful inversions of the end of The Last Airbender.

And while I was an early supporter of Korra's endgame, I do wish the one character was fleshed out more such that the last shot of the show would be even better and satisfying.

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Feb 6, 2017 13:31:15 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Yeah, Nick was awful with the way it handled LoK.

While I still enjoyed the high holy hell out of it, I'll definitely acknowledge that they didn't do enough to develop Mako and Bolin, particularly their relationship as brothers, as time went on. Not spoiling anything, but near the end of the series there's a moment from Mako that has some decent emotional impact, but if they had explored his character a bit more it would've felt ten times as powerful, I think, given the circumstances of the way the moment goes down.

I covered the Korra Disaster as it was happening on my page. Needless to say, it was a DISASTER. One of the dumbest things they ever did and for some people they'll never live it down.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Feb 6, 2017 5:17:57 GMT -5 MAGGLE said:

Legend of Korra is better than last airbender in almost every aspect in my opinion. Its darker, stronger main character, no weird filler episodes in between.

Dont get me wrong TLAB is 10/10, but Korra is still better.

Fight choreography, background design, general artstyle
I could go on forever.

So dont watch season 3, its too good of a season to be just hated on because of nostlgia goggles.

I don't care if you think Korra is better than ATLA. That is totally fair. What I care about is you trying to undercut anyones opinions who say otherwise because of "Nostalgia Goggles".

How the hell could liking ATLA over Korra even be BLAMED on Nostalgia Goggles when Korra started what three years after ATLA ended? That's not enough time for Nostalgia imo, that's just preferring one over the other for other reasons. Frankly I don't think that's a fair statement by you. Again, love Korra all you want, I love it, I love ATLA more, but dismissing that over nostalgia or something like that to me is absurd

[JoDaNa1281]

Feb 6, 2017 7:45:50 GMT -5 BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps said:

Feb 6, 2017 6:41:51 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Man, now Kuvira is getting called a Mary Sue? What does that term even mean anymore?

It doesn't mean anything anymore.

That's not completely true. Sure, when it's given to someone who it shouldn't be, like Rey from The Force Awakens, it loses it's meaning...but when it's given to someone who absolutely deserves the moniker, like Alice from the Resident Evil movies, it works.

[MAGGLE]

Feb 7, 2017 2:10:01 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Feb 6, 2017 5:17:57 GMT -5 MAGGLE said:

Legend of Korra is better than last airbender in almost every aspect in my opinion. Its darker, stronger main character, no weird filler episodes in between.

Dont get me wrong TLAB is 10/10, but Korra is still better.

Fight choreography, background design, general artstyle
I could go on forever.

So dont watch season 3, its too good of a season to be just hated on because of nostlgia goggles.

I don't care if you think Korra is better than ATLA. That is totally fair. What I care about is you trying to undercut anyones opinions who say otherwise because of "Nostalgia Goggles".

How the hell could liking ATLA over Korra even be BLAMED on Nostalgia Goggles when Korra started what three years after ATLA ended? That's not enough time for Nostalgia imo, that's just preferring one over the other for other reasons. Frankly I don't think that's a fair statement by you. Again, love Korra all you want, I love it, I love ATLA more, but dismissing that over nostalgia or something like that to me is absurd

I am actually talking about hating on Legend of Korra or calling it garbage or anything like that. I realised that OP didnt mean that, so I am not trying to say that you cant like airbender more.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Feb 7, 2017 2:19:03 GMT -5 MAGGLE said:

Feb 7, 2017 2:10:01 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

I don't care if you think Korra is better than ATLA. That is totally fair. What I care about is you trying to undercut anyones opinions who say otherwise because of "Nostalgia Goggles".

How the hell could liking ATLA over Korra even be BLAMED on Nostalgia Goggles when Korra started what three years after ATLA ended? That's not enough time for Nostalgia imo, that's just preferring one over the other for other reasons. Frankly I don't think that's a fair statement by you. Again, love Korra all you want, I love it, I love ATLA more, but dismissing that over nostalgia or something like that to me is absurd

I am actually talking about hating on Legend of Korra or calling it garbage or anything like that. I realised that OP didnt mean that, so I am not trying to say that you cant like airbender more.

Fair enough, and I HAVE seen Korra be called Garbage as I run a Nick Page where there are a wide range of opinions, and I do not agree with those sentiments. Korra is a great show that honestly got shafted so very badly by an incompetent Network...