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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Feb 18, 2017 18:45:59 GMT -5
The Reach get dangerously close to this in Young Justice, but it is offset by how, when things go terribly for them, how satisfying their crash and burn is. Yeah... they went a bit too far at times with the.. heroes win but it's actually really part of the villains plan that entire season. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 18, 2017 19:16:56 GMT -5
The Reach get dangerously close to this in Young Justice, but it is offset by how, when things go terribly for them, how satisfying their crash and burn is. Yeah... they went a bit too far at times with the.. heroes win but it's actually really part of the villains plan that entire season. I did begin to forgive YJ for it when the Reach had to use their ships and the ramifications of that, along with when Roy makes his choice of who to unfreeze first. You really get to enjoy the "oh, they are so f***ed" feeling. |
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Post by karl100589 on Feb 18, 2017 19:24:54 GMT -5
If Sheldon counts as a villain on Big Bang Theory, then him, or at least for the first few seasons. I'd say the closest thing to a TBBT villain is either Kripke or Leslie Winkle. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 19:29:07 GMT -5
Season 4 villain of Buffy. Forgettable Robot/demon guy. Him and that entire season almost killed my love for the show. Thankfully they waited until the last 2 seasons for that. All the main villains after the Mayor kind of sucked, there was Adam, Glory, the three nerdy dudes, and the First Evil (Evil Willow was OK but was only a baddie for 2-3 episodes). They still had decent weekly villains to face (the monster of the week episodes) but I think the big bad who dogged them all season always paled in comparison to Angelus, The Mayor and Faith. |
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Post by karl100589 on Feb 18, 2017 20:02:33 GMT -5
Not sure if she counts as a villain, but this woman infuriates me like nothing else:  |
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Post by FinalGwen on Feb 18, 2017 20:12:30 GMT -5
Davros kind of got it among Doctor Who fandom in the 80s. Terry Nation didn't want to let go of one of the few new ideas he ever had for Doctor Who, so after Genesis Of The Daleks, every single Dalek story would end up being about the squabbles between Dalek factions who supported him or hated him, and lots of commentors would say "Can't we just have a regular story about the Daleks without Davros?"
That said, Terry Molloy is still pretty beloved and the amazing audio drama simply named 'Davros' (and entire prequel series 'I, Davros') kind of redeemed the character and gave him a lot of depth, so it's not complete X-Pac failure to evolve, either.
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Post by BorneAgain on Feb 18, 2017 20:55:27 GMT -5
Davros kind of got it among Doctor Who fandom in the 80s. Terry Nation didn't want to let go of one of the few new ideas he ever had for Doctor Who, so after Genesis Of The Daleks, every single Dalek story would end up being about the squabbles between Dalek factions who supported him or hated him, and lots of commentors would say "Can't we just have a regular story about the Daleks without Davros?" That said, Terry Molloy is still pretty beloved and the amazing audio drama simply named 'Davros' (and entire prequel series 'I, Davros') kind of redeemed the character and gave him a lot of depth, so it's not complete X-Pac failure to evolve, either. That's funny because honestly these days Dalek stories only seem interesting to me if if they feature Davros or if its a plot that isn't "Daleks trying to exterminate Earth or planet the Doctor's on" (see Dalek, Jubilee, Into the Dalek). Doomsday worked, but a lot of that was due to the novelty of them vs. the Cybermen. Even the War Doctor Audios have had to shake things up via things like the Dalek Time Strategist to keep it different. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 18, 2017 21:51:35 GMT -5
Nicholas Quinn from Chuck
Ramsay Bolton from Game of Thrones
The Man in Black from Lost
The villains in seasons 6 and 8 of Dexter
The Prolethians from Orphan Black
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Post by The Captain on Feb 18, 2017 22:53:39 GMT -5
The Ferengi Originally supposed to be the new bad guys, but way too comical and annoying to be taken seriously, so they were successfully rebooted as charming capitalists. Yeah, the Ferengi were really lame villains in TNG Season 1, but they got better when it was just Bok being a bad apple and the rest of the species was just incredibly greedy in a somewhat fun way. Then again, Season 1 of TNG was really dicey in a lot of ways. Like Q being a genuinely serious antagonist instead of the charming, snarky trickster he became in later episodes. The Ferengi got a lot better in DS9 when they were fleshed out via Quark, Rom, and Nog. |
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Post by Rave on Feb 19, 2017 19:46:17 GMT -5
I had the same problem with Galavan. Normally I love when James Frain plays a slimy scenery-chewing villain, but Galavan was just too much Villain Sue for my tastes. Dude was everywhere and the good guys suddenly became boneheaded around him. It was ridiculous. {Spoiler}Bringing him back as Azrael and making him secondary to a far better villain-type really improved him a lot, IMO. |
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Post by Cela on Feb 20, 2017 14:06:09 GMT -5
Felicity made me stop watching Arrow. The creators seemed to enjoy teasing her going away, only to bring her back immediately with even more power, and an air horn for some reason. Hell, Legends of Tomorrow had a scene where they said everyone died, except frikkin Felicity.
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Post by horseface on Feb 20, 2017 14:23:51 GMT -5
Ramsay from GoT. He's not really that good in the books either but the show takes it to another level. In my view if a villain seems to only be there for the sake of getting his comeuppance, that is a bad villain. Joffrey from the same show on the other hand, is a very good antagonist. He was a monster but they did a great job showing that he was also a young kid in way over his head. When they showed him as cowardly during a battle it felt natural and not stuck there because "the heel is supposed to be cowardly" or something. www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRrV1ff33iMHere's a great scene of Joffrey doing his thing and why he was a great villain. The Ramsay version of this is Ramsay comes in talking shit, kills two people at the table who criticize him, comes back later and kills Tywin too just for good measure, then mentions how 20 of his good men just took out all of Daenerys' dragons over on Essos the previous night. |
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 20, 2017 14:30:27 GMT -5
Bones is a guilty pleasure show of mine. Every time that Pelant (spelling) shows up the show turns to shit. Now that they finally killed the guy after like 4 false finishes, he haunts them. Just f$@%$% go away you turd of a character. There's a couple of the episodes I haven't seen the end of because once I find out it's another bullshit Pelant episode I rage quit it.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Feb 20, 2017 14:58:08 GMT -5
If Sheldon counts as a villain on Big Bang Theory, then him, or at least for the first few seasons. I'd say the closest thing to a TBBT villain is either Kripke or Leslie Winkle. Or Wil Wheaton at first. Not just from his rivalry with Sheldon - he sabotaged Leonard and Penny's relationship to win at bowling. |
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