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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 22, 2017 11:43:05 GMT -5
I mean, not being funny here, but they are in an industry where the aim is to make money from said people. Not to do the usual food analogy but it'd be like people saying Ryan Reynolds isn't a worthy headline movie act besides one or two roles he's good at. Like, sure, Deadpool made a lot of money, but that was directly after a collection of not great box office turnover. There's a difference between someone deserving to win the title and the fans wanting to see it. Did Jinder deserve to win the title? In my opinion, yeah. He's put up with a decent amount of crap over the years and, by all accounts, he's put in the work to improve at what he does. Does that mean fans want to see him in that spot? Once again, I like it because I get excited whenever WWE takes a chance to push new names but others don't. Once again, that doesn't determine if he's worthy of his spot. EDIT: Besides, there's a few ways this can go. Either Jinder gets a solid run and he's a new, legitimate main eventer or he drops it to someone like Styles or Orton within the next six weeks and this is all forgotten about. How ridiculous is all this rage with either scenario? How are WWE supposed to create new stars if they don't take a risk every now and then? Improving shouldn't automatically give you a world title shot, or even the world title. Improving should give you a much more solid foundation for a build to be made into a credible threat. Just because you work hard at your job doesn't mean you should get a promotion, it makes your bosses consider you for something by giving you more work so you can step up to a promotion. If you fail at that promotion straight away, the company loses money and you're going to be the one that looks bad instead of your bosses for putting you there in the first place. And no, this isn't the fans rebelling against a new person up top. Me personally, I just want investment. Rushing people to the top hasn't benefited almost everyone who has done so either because a) they don't build the person to that shot (95% of MITB winner spent most of the time losing matches instead of looking any way credible because why would you want to believe in someone?) or b) they don't do anything to make that person look good AFTER they win the title (Jack Swagger, CM Punk's first world title reign, Dolph Ziggler) because it comes off as them wanting to shock people instead of putting the time to gain a following for said person. Look, if they want to build Jinder to get the Indian audience, fine. But, for example, why wasn't he in India doing interviews instead of The New Day? Why wasn't he trying to get into Kevin Owens' good books to try and get a US title match down the road to stick it to America? Why hasn't he, before becoming number one contender, WON matches against Mojo Rawley or even why didn't he win the Andre battle royale? Just have a plan for the guy, it's all I've asked. Like...not to come off as conspiracy theorist here, but in the same way WWE rushed the UK tournament and signing all they could because World of Sport was brought back, it can't be a coincidence that Jinder's sudden push came off the heels of TNA finally announcing dates for the India tour.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 11:44:22 GMT -5
I'll go against the grain here. For as dull and predictable as the WWE is and has been for years, they did something different. Whether it's good or bad is up to you to decide, but it's different. It's not something you could have set your watch to like practically everything else they do. Besides that, do I think Jinder's on something? Yes. To be that big with that little body fat will look suspicious. That's what all the veins are indicative of; low BF%. I was 8% BF once and I was veiny as well. Difference was I was about 160 lbs with 8% BF. Jinder is probably well over 200 and that's something that would raise an eyebrow for me. I agree. I was always a big guy, but at one time I was 260 lbs with 30% body fat. Now I am at 210 with 17% bodyfat. It is extremely hard, at least for me, to shed and get into the 10% body fat range. And this is me doing a keto diet at 1800 calories per day. It is also equally as hard to gain significant muscle mass. I think 10 pounds of lean muscle per year is what I can do, if I am lucky. Anyways, I suspect a lot of them are on the juice or was on the juice before and just now maintaining the mass/body fat percentage. Considering that they are always on the road and a lot of times eating junk food, I don't buy many of them being natural. Dolph Ziggler, from what I heard, had to gain 30 pounds of mass before entering the WWE while maintaining the same cut. It is impossible to do naturally. You're not eating enough calories to gain any muscle mass. In fact you're suppose to be eating 2200-2600 calories a day. Athletes eat anywhere from 5000-10,000 calories a day. Eat more calories and lift heavier. I'm not doubting Jinder is on the juice as well as other wrestlers if you check my previous posts but you're not going to gain muscle mass by undereating even if you're on the juice. Those steroid users eat like 6000-15000 calories a day. Check every John Morrison interview and whenever someone asks how he got those abs his answer is always you have to eat a lot of food throughout the day.
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Post by Chiral on May 22, 2017 11:45:43 GMT -5
Reading wrestlers reactions,I can't see how is undeserved. Hard workers deserve success too. Like it's nice for Jinder and all but how does that translate to an enjoyable program? If The Last Jedi benched Kylo Ren because this dude is the new main villain: And all the actors involved say how great it is he's getting a chance, it would still suck. A boneheaded story choice isn't made better because it's nice for the performer to succeed.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 22, 2017 11:49:13 GMT -5
I really hate the "you don't work in the industry/can't do this thing so you can't criticize it" response to anything. I'm not a writer but if I'm reading a book set in the 932AD and suddenly a medieval knight pulls a laser gun out of his ass midway through the story and it is never explained where it came from and is never seen again... that's a shit story that doesn't make any f***ing sense. note to self, remove ass interocitor disintegrator beam during revisions on Facets of Power.l
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Post by Fade on May 22, 2017 11:50:05 GMT -5
Cater to that that Indian Market doe!..
Honestly this entire shit is f***ing ridiculous but WWE as a whole is usually f***ing ridiculous so s.o.s.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 22, 2017 11:50:58 GMT -5
Present day: memes, jokes and untalented putzes go to the top. Society dumbs down day-by-day Society is not collapsing because Jinder won. This is starting to become embarrassing to read. Last time I'm saying this, some of y'all really need to chill the hell out.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 22, 2017 11:51:10 GMT -5
I really hate the "you don't work in the industry/can't do this thing so you can't criticize it" response to anything. I'm not a writer but if I'm reading a book set in the 932AD and suddenly a medieval knight pulls a laser gun out of his ass midway through the story and it is never explained where it came from and is never seen again... that's a shit story that doesn't make any f***ing sense. note to self, remove ass interocitor disintegrator beam during revisions on Facets of Power.l Just have a wizard explain it earlier and you're good
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Post by salz4life on May 22, 2017 11:52:07 GMT -5
It's baffling to me that they would book Mahal to win the WWE Championship with the sole purpose of drawing in an Indian audience. If the fate of having an Indian audience rests on having a champion of Indian descent, what happens when they decide to take the belt off of him? Or is it more "look, India, we're willing to put our belt on Jinder Mahal! Please don't leave when we inevitably take it off of him." Have to get the Caribbean audience......enter the return of Carlito Caribbean Cool!
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 22, 2017 11:52:41 GMT -5
I really hate the "you don't work in the industry/can't do this thing so you can't criticize it" response to anything. I'm not a writer but if I'm reading a book set in the 932AD and suddenly a medieval knight pulls a laser gun out of his ass midway through the story and it is never explained where it came from and is never seen again... that's a shit story that doesn't make any f***ing sense. note to self, remove ass interocitor disintegrator beam during revisions on Facets of Power.l Your problem isn't the beam itself. Your problem is that the entire movie should be set up around the beam. Solved your problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 11:55:56 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is barely a better wrestler than Jinder Mahal is. He's been in like 30+ main events boring crowds because he's in a family that needs to leave wrestling and he has teen magazine long hair.
I think people can manage WWE messing around with short term Jinder Mahal as champ.
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Post by Texas Tornado on May 22, 2017 11:56:02 GMT -5
This is the same guy that couldn't beat Seth Rollins for the NXT title back when his first run with the company ended.
The same guy that was losing to Mojo and Gronk a month ago.
THIS guy is the champion. That's hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 11:57:02 GMT -5
I agree. I was always a big guy, but at one time I was 260 lbs with 30% body fat. Now I am at 210 with 17% bodyfat. It is extremely hard, at least for me, to shed and get into the 10% body fat range. And this is me doing a keto diet at 1800 calories per day. It is also equally as hard to gain significant muscle mass. I think 10 pounds of lean muscle per year is what I can do, if I am lucky. Anyways, I suspect a lot of them are on the juice or was on the juice before and just now maintaining the mass/body fat percentage. Considering that they are always on the road and a lot of times eating junk food, I don't buy many of them being natural. Dolph Ziggler, from what I heard, had to gain 30 pounds of mass before entering the WWE while maintaining the same cut. It is impossible to do naturally. You're not eating enough calories to gain any muscle mass. In fact you're suppose to be eating 2200-2600 calories a day. Athletes eat anywhere from 5000-10,000 calories a day. Eat more calories and lift heavier. I'm not doubting Jinder is on the juice as well as other wrestlers if you check my previous posts but you're not going to gain muscle mass by undereating even if you're on the juice. Those steroid users eat like 6000-15000 calories a day. Check every John Morrison interview and whenever someone asks how he got those abs his answer is always you have to eat a lot of food throughout the day. I think it depends on what your goals are. I am on a cutting cycle, that is why I have a calorie deficit. When I was bulking, I was eating as much as 3,500 calories a day and lift heavy. My bodyfat would increase, it is hard to maintain the bodyfat. Athletes that eat as heavy as 5,000 calories are training to meet intense task. Michael Phelps eats 10,000 calories when he is training, but he isn't doing so on his off days. In fact, I don't think he eats over 2500 on his off days. You're right about steroid users. People have a misconception that you can take steroids and not worry about eating right and lifting heavy when it is the exact opposite. Steroid users, to look like a Lex Luger, would have to work twice as hard. EDIT: John Morrison is on the juice, don't let his talk fool you. To get those abs, you have to low level of body fat. Yeah, he could do it without the juice, to maintain his body, stamina, and all else, he had to be on something. Plus, Melina already ratted him out.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 22, 2017 11:57:50 GMT -5
Merging this into the mega thread, bear with me.
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Post by salz4life on May 22, 2017 12:00:09 GMT -5
I'm interested to see where this goes. IMO, Jinder has busted his ass the last month to try and get over. I think he's done an admirable job and am willing to see where this goes. Still, when it happened last night, I was sitting in the crowd and simply couldn't believe they actually did it. LOL
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Post by Captain & Diet on May 22, 2017 12:02:49 GMT -5
Sammartino. Backlund. Hogan. Savage. Warrior. Undertaker. Hart. Michaels. Austin. KANE Rock. Foley. Triple H. Angle. Lesnar. Guerrero. Cena. Batista. Orton. Punk. Bryan. Rollins. Reigns. Ambrose. Styles. MAHAL. Next champion: Wellness Policy. Edited: Forgot Kane.
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Post by The Ichi on May 22, 2017 12:03:14 GMT -5
I will say it's odd how violent THIS of all things is making some of you. I've not been following the product and even I can see this reign having transitional written all over it. Or if it is long-term, either it's a pleasant surprise ala JBLs run or its gooker worthy. Either way, doesn't seem like anything worth all this e-bloodshed. I've seen AJ Lee threads that are more civil than some of the ones going on right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 12:03:42 GMT -5
Merging this into the mega thread, bear with me. Before I saw that message I refreshed the thread and saw "thread not found" I was like Damn...Jinder is taking it to the next level.
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Post by Rabbito Garcia on May 22, 2017 12:04:44 GMT -5
I will say it's odd how violent THIS of all things is making some of you. I've not been following the product and even I can see this reign having transitional written all over it. Or if it is long-term, either it's a pleasant surprise ala JBLs run or its gooker worthy. Either way, doesn't seem like anything worth all this e-bloodshed. I've seen AJ Lee threads that are more civil than some of the ones going on right now. Tell me about it. I am in love with this meltdown. It intrigues me just how much of the horrible/unbelievable/despicable crap the WWE has pulled since the start of the Attitude era that wasn't impetus for you guys being "done" with the company. HHH's supposed drugging and kidnapping of Stephanie. Mae Young giving birth to a hand (hell, all the degrading shit they had Mae and Moolah do.) Katie Vick. I'm more than sure that quite a few of you were here for all of that, and you're still here. But Jinder winning the strap? THIS IS MY LINE IN THE SAND. Too unbelievable for you? C'mon guys.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on May 22, 2017 12:13:05 GMT -5
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Post by Rabbito Garcia on May 22, 2017 12:14:46 GMT -5
Jinder Hatbox COMING SOON
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