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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 23, 2017 13:48:02 GMT -5
Maybe Jinder just went Kaio-Ken x10. Don't you feel silly saying he's on steroids? Goku: I won't let you destroy Christmas Lord Slug: It's not even Christmas we are in July. Goku: Don't July to me
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Post by Hit Girl on May 23, 2017 14:18:21 GMT -5
Jinder being champion has actually made me look forward to watching Smackdown tonight.
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Post by Larryhausen on May 23, 2017 14:21:53 GMT -5
Maybe Jinder just went Kaio-Ken x10. Don't you feel silly saying he's on steroids? Kaio-whaaa? ![](http://images.sportsworldnews.com/data/thumbs/full/40971/600/0/0/0/jinder-mahal-vs-finn-balor.jpg)
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 23, 2017 14:31:42 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal winning the WWE title has ruined a lot of repeated narratives. And inspired new ones to use in hopes of tearing him down. Such as he only got the belt because of his Indian heritage. Yes, because he is the only WWE champion to hold it because of his ethic background. Vince McMahon Sr picked Bruno Sammartino and Pedro Morales as champs to tap into the different ethnicities in the NYC market. Ron Simmons partly won the WCW world title because he was black. Or Mahal is on the juice. As mentioned before, WWE is not protecting Jinder when they suspended other talents who actually are proven draws. Or he was less than a midcarder before winning a world title. As others mentioned: Mark Henry, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, and Daniel Bryan were on losing streaks before getting suddenly thrusted into the main event picture and winning a world title. Nothing new. WWE has finally taken a big risk after a decade or so playing it safe. Whether it pays off is the million dollar question. Bruno Pedro and Ron weren't career jobbers. Bryan Swagger and the other guys' losing streak happened after they were already established. Jinder Mahal was a career Jobber who even lost to a comedy mini wrestler. His losing streak lasted for years and years. I can't repeat this enough, this is like Barry Horowitz getting the belt.
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Post by LexExpress on May 23, 2017 14:37:03 GMT -5
Meanwhile at India's equivalent of FAN... Sunny'smugshot: The f***ing 3mb guy? Ted Diabetes: Vince knows we know it's not real right? well whenever I check out the comments on WWE's various Facebook pages (WWE, NXT, Network etc), there seem to be a hell of a lot of marks from the Indian area (incl. Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc) who believe it's real and truly root for faces and truly hate heels This just reminded me of something that happened to me a few years ago. An Indian dude, who was my boyfriend's roommate at the time, wandered by while I was watching wrestling. "There's something you need to know," he says, all conspiratorial like. He then proceeded to very seriously and earnestly tell me that he thought wrestling might not be real, because he saw a video of RVD and Cena talking and laughing after they'd just had a match against each other. I very politely thanked him, then went into the other room and laughed for about 400 years. My boyfriend thought I was having a breakdown.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 23, 2017 14:41:33 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal winning the WWE title has ruined a lot of repeated narratives. And inspired new ones to use in hopes of tearing him down. Such as he only got the belt because of his Indian heritage. Yes, because he is the only WWE champion to hold it because of his ethic background. Vince McMahon Sr picked Bruno Sammartino and Pedro Morales as champs to tap into the different ethnicities in the NYC market. Ron Simmons partly won the WCW world title because he was black. Or Mahal is on the juice. As mentioned before, WWE is not protecting Jinder when they suspended other talents who actually are proven draws. Or he was less than a midcarder before winning a world title. As others mentioned: Mark Henry, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, and Daniel Bryan were on losing streaks before getting suddenly thrusted into the main event picture and winning a world title. Nothing new. WWE has finally taken a big risk after a decade or so playing it safe. Whether it pays off is the million dollar question. Bruno Pedro and Ron weren't career jobbers. Bryan Swagger and the other guys' losing streak happened after they were already established. Jinder Mahal was a career Jobber who even lost to a comedy mini wrestler. His losing streak lasted for years and years. I can't repeat this enough, this is like Barry Horowitz getting the belt. They were chosen because of their race as champions. Vince Sr named Terry Bollea "Hulk Hogan" because he wanted an Irish wrestler to play to that demographic. Mahal isn't a career jobber. He won matches. Maybe not at the level of people's faves but he was pushed in developmental making the finals to crown the 1st NXT champion. As he was treated as a kinda big deal when he debuted on Smackdown. And Barry Horowitz's career was a lot better than people actually known him as a jobber. Look up what he did as Jack Hart.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 15:06:53 GMT -5
well whenever I check out the comments on WWE's various Facebook pages (WWE, NXT, Network etc), there seem to be a hell of a lot of marks from the Indian area (incl. Pakistan, Sri Lanka etc) who believe it's real and truly root for faces and truly hate heels This just reminded me of something that happened to me a few years ago. An Indian dude, who was my boyfriend's roommate at the time, wandered by while I was watching wrestling. "There's something you need to know," he says, all conspiratorial like. He then proceeded to very seriously and earnestly tell me that he thought wrestling might not be real, because he saw a video of RVD and Cena talking and laughing after they'd just had a match against each other. I very politely thanked him, then went into the other room and laughed for about 400 years. My boyfriend thought I was having a breakdown. Actually this reminds me of the Jericho Podcast in when he was talking about helping booking Great Khali's Performance that many of the people in India view it as real or a big fight. Like he was saying they can sell out a stadium if you do the right blood angle that many locals would just check it out just to see a big fight. If WWE does big business in India because of this or they do a Buster Douglas route I wont question this any further.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 23, 2017 15:29:24 GMT -5
Bruno Pedro and Ron weren't career jobbers. Bryan Swagger and the other guys' losing streak happened after they were already established. Jinder Mahal was a career Jobber who even lost to a comedy mini wrestler. His losing streak lasted for years and years. I can't repeat this enough, this is like Barry Horowitz getting the belt. They were chosen because of their race as champions. Vince Sr named Terry Bollea "Hulk Hogan" because he wanted an Irish wrestler to play to that demographic. Mahal isn't a career jobber. He won matches. Maybe not at the level of people's faves but he was pushed in developmental making the finals to crown the 1st NXT champion. As he was treated as a kinda big deal when he debuted on Smackdown. And Barry Horowitz's career was a lot better than people actually known him as a jobber. Look up what he did as Jack Hart. But Barry was only known as a Jobber in the wwe same as Jinder. Let's see, Jinder debuted in a program with the great khali, then nothing and started losing, then lead a group against Undertaker and Kane and got squashed in seconds. Then as an underneath talent, then 3mb. Then he got fired. Then return. Then lose some more. Then this. That push you are talking about happened all the way back in 2011 so that means Jinder floundered and the company stop caring about him. Before this push keep in mind that according to Bryan Alvarez, before his push, Jinder had only won two matches since August of last year. Yeah those guys mentioned were chosen as champions because of ethnicity but they weren't jobbers. That's what I'm trying to say. They weren't enhancement talent before they received their pushes. Jinder was still a Jobber two months ago.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 23, 2017 15:33:17 GMT -5
Quick question for one of the stat-loving guys/gals - how many singles PPV victories did Jinder Mahal have on PPV before Sunday? This was his first singles PPV win... but it's only his second singles PPV match. He'd never even had one until Fastlane this year against Cesaro. This pretty much says that you only need Vince to like you to become champ
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 23, 2017 15:45:54 GMT -5
They were chosen because of their race as champions. Vince Sr named Terry Bollea "Hulk Hogan" because he wanted an Irish wrestler to play to that demographic. Mahal isn't a career jobber. He won matches. Maybe not at the level of people's faves but he was pushed in developmental making the finals to crown the 1st NXT champion. As he was treated as a kinda big deal when he debuted on Smackdown. And Barry Horowitz's career was a lot better than people actually known him as a jobber. Look up what he did as Jack Hart. But Barry was only known as a Jobber in the wwe same as Jinder. Let's see, Jinder debuted in a program with the great khali, then nothing and started losing, then lead a group against Undertaker and Kane and got squashed in seconds. Then as an underneath talent, then 3mb. Then he got fired. Then return. Then lose some more. Then this. That push you are talking about happened all the way back in 2011 so that means Jinder floundered and the company stop caring about him. Before this push keep in mind that according to Bryan Alvarez, before his push, Jinder had only won two matches since August of last year. Yeah those guys mentioned were chosen as champions because of ethnicity but they weren't jobbers. That's what I'm trying to say. They weren't enhancement talent before they received their pushes. Jinder was still a Jobber two months ago. Jinder's won/lost record this year wasn't stellar by any means but he was presented as a tough opponent on the rare times he made Raw. He gave Roman Reigns, Sami Zayn, and Finn Balor some tough battles before eventually losing. What people are missing is that you're suppose to be pissed that Jinder is champion. He cheated to win the number 1 contender match and to win the title. No one chanted " You deserve it" like with other heels winning. He's not cool. Fan friendly. Or a smark fave. And that is why I like the move. It's ROH champion Xavier booking. Sami Zayn lost a lot of matches the past 2 years. Would people be calling him a jobber if he was thrusted into the title picture and won the belt? Nope.
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Post by the2ndevil on May 23, 2017 16:32:46 GMT -5
But Barry was only known as a Jobber in the wwe same as Jinder. Let's see, Jinder debuted in a program with the great khali, then nothing and started losing, then lead a group against Undertaker and Kane and got squashed in seconds. Then as an underneath talent, then 3mb. Then he got fired. Then return. Then lose some more. Then this. That push you are talking about happened all the way back in 2011 so that means Jinder floundered and the company stop caring about him. Before this push keep in mind that according to Bryan Alvarez, before his push, Jinder had only won two matches since August of last year. Yeah those guys mentioned were chosen as champions because of ethnicity but they weren't jobbers. That's what I'm trying to say. They weren't enhancement talent before they received their pushes. Jinder was still a Jobber two months ago. Jinder's won/lost record this year wasn't stellar by any means but he was presented as a tough opponent on the rare times he made Raw. He gave Roman Reigns, Sami Zayn, and Finn Balor some tough battles before eventually losing. What people are missing is that you're suppose to be pissed that Jinder is champion. He cheated to win the number 1 contender match and to win the title. No one chanted " You deserve it" like with other heels winning. He's not cool. Fan friendly. Or a smark fave. And that is why I like the move. It's ROH champion Xavier booking. Sami Zayn lost a lot of matches the past 2 years. Would people be calling him a jobber if he was thrusted into the title picture and won the belt? Nope. I seem to recall a number on people on this board calling Ambrose a jobber prior to him winning one match that thrust him into the WWE Championship picture a few years back.
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Post by hossfan on May 23, 2017 16:39:19 GMT -5
Jinder's an undeserving heel champion. The fact his overall record sucks helps, not hurts, that narrative.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on May 23, 2017 19:00:44 GMT -5
But Barry was only known as a Jobber in the wwe same as Jinder. Let's see, Jinder debuted in a program with the great khali, then nothing and started losing, then lead a group against Undertaker and Kane and got squashed in seconds. Then as an underneath talent, then 3mb. Then he got fired. Then return. Then lose some more. Then this. That push you are talking about happened all the way back in 2011 so that means Jinder floundered and the company stop caring about him. Before this push keep in mind that according to Bryan Alvarez, before his push, Jinder had only won two matches since August of last year. Yeah those guys mentioned were chosen as champions because of ethnicity but they weren't jobbers. That's what I'm trying to say. They weren't enhancement talent before they received their pushes. Jinder was still a Jobber two months ago. Jinder's won/lost record this year wasn't stellar by any means but he was presented as a tough opponent on the rare times he made Raw. He gave Roman Reigns, Sami Zayn, and Finn Balor some tough battles before eventually losing. What people are missing is that you're suppose to be pissed that Jinder is champion. He cheated to win the number 1 contender match and to win the title. No one chanted " You deserve it" like with other heels winning. He's not cool. Fan friendly. Or a smark fave. And that is why I like the move. It's ROH champion Xavier booking. Sami Zayn lost a lot of matches the past 2 years. Would people be calling him a jobber if he was thrusted into the title picture and won the belt? Nope. See that's where we disagree Sami isn't a career Jobber like Jinder. Sami Zayn has been presented as important even if at a midcard level. Jinder Mahal has been left laying since 2011. I'm just surprised that this guy has been around for more than 6 years if you count developmental and since that time nobody ever gave a f*** about him and he was actually released. Then Vince all of the sudden noticed him and he's now the wwe champion. In Jinder we have totally an unproven guy that was working his first ppv event despite never even main eventing superstars even. Who was traded to smackdown for Curt Hawkins (who sadly enough has a bigger win loss percentage than Jinder). It's beyond Xavier or Ronnie Garvin winning the belt booking, we're entering wtf? territory.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 20:17:15 GMT -5
Including this mega thread there are currently 4 Jinder Mahal threads on the front page. This title win has been more talked about than any other I can remember. This is kinda insane.
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Post by JCBaggee on May 23, 2017 21:12:33 GMT -5
Jinder's title plates somehow have less personality than he does.
Seriously, is that Papyrus?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 23, 2017 21:14:32 GMT -5
Jinder's title plates somehow have less personality than he does. Seriously, is that Papyrus? A trite, boring typeface for a trite, boring sideplate on a trite, boring wrestler. It fits perfectly.
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Post by froggyfrog on May 23, 2017 21:16:30 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal winning the WWE title has ruined a lot of repeated narratives. And inspired new ones to use in hopes of tearing him down. Such as he only got the belt because of his Indian heritage. Yes, because he is the only WWE champion to hold it because of his ethic background. Vince McMahon Sr picked Bruno Sammartino and Pedro Morales as champs to tap into the different ethnicities in the NYC market. Ron Simmons partly won the WCW world title because he was black. Or Mahal is on the juice. As mentioned before, WWE is not protecting Jinder when they suspended other talents who actually are proven draws. Or he was less than a midcarder before winning a world title. As others mentioned: Mark Henry, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, and Daniel Bryan were on losing streaks before getting suddenly thrusted into the main event picture and winning a world title. Nothing new. WWE has finally taken a big risk after a decade or so playing it safe. Whether it pays off is the million dollar question. Bruno Pedro and Ron weren't career jobbers. Bryan Swagger and the other guys' losing streak happened after they were already established. Jinder Mahal was a career Jobber who even lost to a comedy mini wrestler. His losing streak lasted for years and years. I can't repeat this enough, this is like Barry Horowitz getting the belt. Hey Jinder can't be called a career jobber anymore! He's a world champion and PPV main eventer for goodness sake!
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Post by DASH 243✅ on May 23, 2017 21:19:49 GMT -5
Jinder's title plates somehow have less personality than he does. Seriously, is that Papyrus? They couldn't put a mandella behind it to make it look a little nicer? Liven it up a bit that's plain.
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Post by MAD TITAN on May 23, 2017 21:25:55 GMT -5
Jinder being champion still isn't as worse as Jericho going over Rock/Austin on the same night.
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Post by abjordans on May 23, 2017 21:28:46 GMT -5
Jinder Mahal winning the WWE title has ruined a lot of repeated narratives. And inspired new ones to use in hopes of tearing him down. Such as he only got the belt because of his Indian heritage. Yes, because he is the only WWE champion to hold it because of his ethic background. Vince McMahon Sr picked Bruno Sammartino and Pedro Morales as champs to tap into the different ethnicities in the NYC market. Ron Simmons partly won the WCW world title because he was black. Or Mahal is on the juice. As mentioned before, WWE is not protecting Jinder when they suspended other talents who actually are proven draws. Or he was less than a midcarder before winning a world title. As others mentioned: Mark Henry, Dolph Ziggler, Jack Swagger, and Daniel Bryan were on losing streaks before getting suddenly thrusted into the main event picture and winning a world title. Nothing new. WWE has finally taken a big risk after a decade or so playing it safe. Whether it pays off is the million dollar question. Bruno Pedro and Ron weren't career jobbers. Bryan Swagger and the other guys' losing streak happened after they were already established. Jinder Mahal was a career Jobber who even lost to a comedy mini wrestler. His losing streak lasted for years and years. I can't repeat this enough, this is like Barry Horowitz getting the belt. Exactly like Barry Harrowitz getting the belt.
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