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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jun 11, 2017 5:18:34 GMT -5
There is no comparison between Cena and Hulk Hogan. Hogan sold his opponents like they were huge threats and everybody who worked with him got a boost out of it. He's the biggest star of all time and wrestling was the biggest its ever been when he was on top, therefore everybody was better off. Business was best when Hogan was winning, and he helped guys simply by feuding with them. Cena doesn't have this. Business has been just ok when he's on top and he's been consistently booed out of buildings as the top face for more than a decade. Let's not go overboard, business boomed under Hogan in the 80s (and when house show business was down in any way, it was blamed on his opponent), but from 90 onward business declined despite him winning all the time. In WCW Hogan winning all the time rapidly became a HUGE problem for them because he'd kneecapped all the heels, then come the NWO, he turned around and started doing it to the faces too and WCW collapsed as it was being booked to send him home happy and not the paying fans.
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Post by J. Hova on Jun 11, 2017 5:55:35 GMT -5
I've been pretty vocal with my hatred of John Cena, the performer. John Cena, the person, I think is an upstanding guy who busts his ass and does amazing work with Make a Wish and other charities.
Now that I got that out of the way, come the f on, John. You have are part of the problem and why people over the past 15 years have run away from WWE and wrestling in general. Please don't patronize us with you claiming to be this paragon of virtue whom always does what is best for business and making new stars. You can't honestly believe that.
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Post by WWEedy on Jun 11, 2017 6:10:49 GMT -5
I've been pretty vocal with my hatred of John Cena, the performer. John Cena, the person, I think is an upstanding guy who busts his ass and does amazing work with Make a Wish and other charities. Now that I got that out of the way, come the f on, John. You have are part of the problem and why people over the past 15 years have run away from WWE and wrestling in general. Please don't patronize us with you claiming to be this paragon of virtue whom always does what is best for business and making new stars. You can't honestly believe that. My worry is that he totally believes it, he believes that everyone gets the same shakes that he does and well, if they're not getting over on the back of Big Match John? They don't deserve to get over. He never really had the struggle, he didn't grind away in the lower and mid card for years, he was nothing and then he was given everything. I'm sure he thinks if these other guys deserved it and were talented enough in the eyes of the company, they'd have the backing and push that he did back then. It just doesn't work like that and, not that I'm saying it's his fault, John Cena lives in the WWE bubble and will never ever see it any other way.
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Post by Shark on Jun 11, 2017 18:57:56 GMT -5
I've been pretty vocal with my hatred of John Cena, the performer. John Cena, the person, I think is an upstanding guy who busts his ass and does amazing work with Make a Wish and other charities. Now that I got that out of the way, come the f on, John. You have are part of the problem and why people over the past 15 years have run away from WWE and wrestling in general. Please don't patronize us with you claiming to be this paragon of virtue whom always does what is best for business and making new stars. You can't honestly believe that. My worry is that he totally believes it, he believes that everyone gets the same shakes that he does and well, if they're not getting over on the back of Big Match John? They don't deserve to get over. He never really had the struggle, he didn't grind away in the lower and mid card for years, he was nothing and then he was given everything. I'm sure he thinks if these other guys deserved it and were talented enough in the eyes of the company, they'd have the backing and push that he did back then. It just doesn't work like that and, not that I'm saying it's his fault, John Cena lives in the WWE bubble and will never ever see it any other way. I think he 100% believes it. What I gather from John Cena the person is he fully believes that he works harder than anyone else on the roster and thus deserves the career he's had. He always talks about it too. It's like he doesn't realize how much of an asshole he comes off when he says that. He is basically saying no one else works as hard as he does and he's practically blaming them for the state of the company. It's basic leadership. You can't crap on the effort of your team and expect them to do better without you actually helping them. I also don't get what his issue is with Miz. If I was to guess, and I am, I think he's a little threatened by Miz. Cena does a ton of media work for WWE and so does Miz. Aside form the Make-A-Wish stuff, Miz seems to work just as crazy a schedule as Cena. But unlike Cena, Miz has gained a lot of fan respect, this past year especially. Also unlike Cena, Miz doesn't miss a giant chunk of time due to these things. I think Cena sees Miz as invading his "turf" and doesn't like it.
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Post by angryfan on Jun 11, 2017 21:19:52 GMT -5
My worry is that he totally believes it, he believes that everyone gets the same shakes that he does and well, if they're not getting over on the back of Big Match John? They don't deserve to get over. He never really had the struggle, he didn't grind away in the lower and mid card for years, he was nothing and then he was given everything. I'm sure he thinks if these other guys deserved it and were talented enough in the eyes of the company, they'd have the backing and push that he did back then. It just doesn't work like that and, not that I'm saying it's his fault, John Cena lives in the WWE bubble and will never ever see it any other way. I think he 100% believes it. What I gather from John Cena the person is he fully believes that he works harder than anyone else on the roster and thus deserves the career he's had. He always talks about it too. It's like he doesn't realize how much of an asshole he comes off when he says that. He is basically saying no one else works as hard as he does and he's practically blaming them for the state of the company. It's basic leadership. You can't crap on the effort of your team and expect them to do better without you actually helping them. I also don't get what his issue is with Miz. If I was to guess, and I am, I think he's a little threatened by Miz. Cena does a ton of media work for WWE and so does Miz. Aside form the Make-A-Wish stuff, Miz seems to work just as crazy a schedule as Cena. But unlike Cena, Miz has gained a lot of fan respect, this past year especially. Also unlike Cena, Miz doesn't miss a giant chunk of time due to these things. I think Cena sees Miz as invading his "turf" and doesn't like it. The threat, odd as it soudns, is this. Miz is anotehr of the company's go to guys for publicity stuff. Dude is a heel, relishes it, does whatever he can to get real heel heat, and succeeds at it. He's not my favorite guy on the roster by a long shot, but he gets what beign a heel is, relishes it, and doesn't bitch about getting to go over more. He gets that his job is to be an asshole and get stomped at the end of a program. But...he's still the comapny guy who says "Who do I get heat for, who do I put over, and who's going to murder me out there? Also, while we're at it, you need me to do any radio bits or interviews? I've got time". If I'm Cena, the tippy top guy, yeah I'm thratened by someone who has maintained some real heat fora long time, who rarely gets to go over, but is still called on to rep the comapny with the media. Basically, Miz is the guy who started working a gimmick in a reality show, parlayed that into a minor shot with indy promotions, moved that to a chance with WWE, got mercilessly treated like crap by the "locker room leaders" but kepting showing up to take bumps and lose. Somehow, through a mostly heel career, he's still getting publicity shots for the company. Because he's been the guy, frankly, who Cena says he is. Worked his way up, got a shot that most people said he didnt' deserve, got abused by the "boys" for a long time but ketp taking bumps and losses, got over as a heel, with real heat, kept that heat even though he lost all the time, and got to main event Mania.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 11, 2017 21:32:17 GMT -5
I think he 100% believes it. What I gather from John Cena the person is he fully believes that he works harder than anyone else on the roster and thus deserves the career he's had. He always talks about it too. It's like he doesn't realize how much of an asshole he comes off when he says that. He is basically saying no one else works as hard as he does and he's practically blaming them for the state of the company. It's basic leadership. You can't crap on the effort of your team and expect them to do better without you actually helping them. I also don't get what his issue is with Miz. If I was to guess, and I am, I think he's a little threatened by Miz. Cena does a ton of media work for WWE and so does Miz. Aside form the Make-A-Wish stuff, Miz seems to work just as crazy a schedule as Cena. But unlike Cena, Miz has gained a lot of fan respect, this past year especially. Also unlike Cena, Miz doesn't miss a giant chunk of time due to these things. I think Cena sees Miz as invading his "turf" and doesn't like it. The threat, odd as it soudns, is this. Miz is anotehr of the company's go to guys for publicity stuff. Dude is a heel, relishes it, does whatever he can to get real heel heat, and succeeds at it. He's not my favorite guy on the roster by a long shot, but he gets what beign a heel is, relishes it, and doesn't bitch about getting to go over more. He gets that his job is to be an asshole and get stomped at the end of a program. But...he's still the comapny guy who says "Who do I get heat for, who do I put over, and who's going to murder me out there? Also, while we're at it, you need me to do any radio bits or interviews? I've got time". If I'm Cena, the tippy top guy, yeah I'm thratened by someone who has maintained some real heat fora long time, who rarely gets to go over, but is still called on to rep the comapny with the media. Basically, Miz is the guy who started working a gimmick in a reality show, parlayed that into a minor shot with indy promotions, moved that to a chance with WWE, got mercilessly treated like crap by the "locker room leaders" but kepting showing up to take bumps and lose. Somehow, through a mostly heel career, he's still getting publicity shots for the company. Because he's been the guy, frankly, who Cena says he is. Worked his way up, got a shot that most people said he didnt' deserve, got abused by the "boys" for a long time but ketp taking bumps and losses, got over as a heel, with real heat, kept that heat even though he lost all the time, and got to main event Mania. And to simply put Miz just wants to be there. This is his life essentially and the last person you can really say made this there entire life for being that company guy is Cena. For as much as Cena has talked about people busting their ass and all that jazz about not hanging on, Miz is the perfect answer for that. He's the ultimate company guy behind Cena for the most part so there might be some "professional hatred" on the end of Cena.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jun 12, 2017 14:07:09 GMT -5
Hey John.
Nexus!
Thankyou.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 13, 2017 6:31:01 GMT -5
Yeah pulverized the Smackdown Midcard something fierce, but I would argue the US Open Challenge was even worse. I'm sure Cena saw it as these guys getting a lift by rubbing elbows with him. I saw it as "Cena kicks out of every finisher in the company and then wins clean". But all those up-and-comers who are now stalled in the midcard probably didn't want it as bad as Cena did back in 2004 when he ran down everyone on the roster and then beat them clean, often in non-competitive matches. Im glad other people saw the US Bullshit Challenge for what it was. I was so glad when Del Rio ended that nonsense of making every guy in the company look rly rly strong by simply hanging with Cena. I don't think "make the other guys look strong in defeat" is a bad idea at all (clean finishes after competitive matches get people over better than overbooking things to try and protect everybody involved most of the time), but my big problem with that angle was that Cena was basically working a cartoonish version of mid-00s ROH upper card matches, but without any of the context or subtleties that made that style work so well. It's what convinced me that I shouldn't really get too hyped about some of my favorites getting a shot in WWE, since it just felt like "they don't really get what makes this work."
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Jun 13, 2017 7:00:44 GMT -5
Oh f**k off Cena. I have had too many guys give me that same bull you are spewing out. Go away and stay away please.
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