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Post by héad.casé on Jun 9, 2017 19:34:18 GMT -5
"If you look at my existence in WWE, I have never asked anyone and will never ask anyone to pull any punches, I believe that it's a 'Strong Survive' environment, and accept nothing less. I think people forget my [history] in WWE sometimes and the fact that I truly had to earn every inch. There is this overwhelming perception that I am protected and coddled — that couldn't be father from the truth. I just believe you bring your best to every story and you bring your best to every fight. And if my skills aren't as good, then it's time to step back. It's just a matter of believing in myself and going out there and speaking from the heart. I believe that sometimes that's something missing in some of the WWE storylines … being honest and brave enough to put everything out there on the table." "This is why I have the reputation of quote-unquote 'burying younger talent,' because I will let them do whatever they want with me — and then after they get done, they're not as motivated. So, it's not that I sink their ship, it's that they fail to operate at an elite level. And I'm on to the next person, [to] whom I say, "Hey man, bring your best punch and I'm gonna punch back" — and they don't take that attitude beyond me." "I take that approach to everyone. The Miz story couldn't be a better example of that, because when that story started … no one wanted to see that match. No one. I made it a point to have everyone work as hard as they could to change everyone's mind." "And now here you are, months after the fact, saying that was one of the most entertaining things done on television, that just goes to show you that it's all just about how much you're willing to invest and how strongly you believe in what you want to do." www.thewrap.com/john-cena-wwe-smackdown-miz-wrestlemania-american-grit/
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 9, 2017 19:37:26 GMT -5
*Removes hat and rubs back of head*
Fine speech John.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Jun 9, 2017 19:38:15 GMT -5
"I take that approach to everyone. The Miz story couldn't be a better example of that, because when that story started … no one wanted to see that match. No one. I made it a point to have everyone work as hard as they could to change everyone's mind." You didn't let Miz beat you in 09 when he first started imitating you, John, and you (and Rock) turned him into a 3rd wheel in a WWE Title feud. Then you beat him again at this year's Wrestlemania. I'm not a fan of Miz but I'm also not a fan of what happened to him here.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 9, 2017 19:48:55 GMT -5
In one regard, I get what he's saying. He gives them so much and then if the other side can't pull off their end of the bargain, that's on them and the balance of the feud is off. There's a large degree of difference between how CM Punk took advantage of it compared to, say, a Sandow. Or AJ Styles compared to Wade Barrett.
Having said that, for all that willingness and talk, Cena's not the one that makes the final decision. Cena doesn't decide who wins or loses or how long a feud lasts. Cena doesn't also control what the agents plan for the matches and how they go. Those all go to Vince. If you do something to wind him up, he'll be done with you faster than he's done a steak when hungry. And even being someone Cena likes doesn't help you as much as someone of his profile would usually be expected to. Ask Zack Ryder. Or Evan Bourne. Or Kofi Kingston. Or Cesaro.
I'm not even saying he's wrong, it's just facetious to blame the talent when the talent know full well that if they go too far out of the comfort zone and nobody's there to back them up, they might as well be done in the company. People wonder why the roster seems willing to do whatever asked of them and not protect their characters as past generations have been.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 9, 2017 19:49:08 GMT -5
...except John Cena actually played politics to get the Nexus deal turned in his favor, even while everyone was telling him it was a bad idea.
I like Cena in a lot of ways, but there's some BS in that statement he made. Regarding the Miz story, is he talking about the recent one that ended at Wrestlemania? Because he didn't really do much for that one, it was pretty much all Miz and Maryse carrying that entire storyline. And he's not "young talent" - dude's been on the roster for 11 years now, just 2-3 less than Cena himself.
We can also look at the Sandow situation. Yes, it was shown much, much later that Sandow wasn't ready but to say he wasn't motivated *after* his encounter with Cena is a complete misdirection because it wasn't *after* the encounter with Cena that Sandow lost his MITB shot to what was essentially a one-armed man.
...oh, and if we want to get technical, the entire statement is a burial of everyone he worked with that didn't "step up" to meet his expectations.
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Post by Rave on Jun 9, 2017 19:49:32 GMT -5
f*** off with your "elite level", Cena. That's insulting as hell.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Jun 9, 2017 19:53:26 GMT -5
There is some truth to what Cena is saying, but I don't think he or Vince or WWE truly realize that, no matter how many people know it's fake, who wins the matches and feuds matters. It's MUCH easier to move on to the next guy and have the same momentum and motivation when you always win the last fight. I think The Rock is the only wrestler I can recall in the thousands of wrestlers in history that was able to climb to megastardom while losing all the time. Most guys need wins (and lots of them). While Rock showed you CAN overcome it, it's very very rare. Cena has had the benefit of winning nearly every feud he's been in outside of the first 18 months of his career. While that didn't make his path easy, it's certainly EASIER than the path of the Wade Barrett's, Rusevs, Bray Wyatts, and Kevin Owens' of the world had it trying to come back after losing months long feuds.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 9, 2017 19:55:58 GMT -5
What a crock of shit. Miz busts his ass and does everything that company demands of him. By all accounts, same can be said for Bray Wyatt and Rusev. I find it hard to believe that WWE jobbed them out to Cena because they wouldn't perform at his level. Like, come on dude.
And saying the company never coddled and protected him? Is that a joke? From 2006-2013, it was incredibly rare to see him lose clean, and any time he did lose, he was going to get his win back times 2. He was the most protected guy on the roster since Hulk Hogan in his prime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 19:56:08 GMT -5
So Cenas arguement against people saying he has buried young talent...is to bury the young talent in a single statement. ![](https://picturesofcmpunk.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/cm-punk-john-cena-wwe-backstage-11.gif?w=490)
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jun 9, 2017 20:05:00 GMT -5
Cena's going to be around forever because he chugs Vince's Kool-Aid harder than anyone.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jun 9, 2017 20:18:02 GMT -5
I do think Cena could have spared a few more losses in his feuds to help the larger narrative (mostly SummerSlam 2010 against The Nexus and WrestleMania 30 against Wyatt), but you couldn't have done too many because it would have lost all effect before too long. Look at how little it meant for Del Rio to beat Cena clean just months after Owens did it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 9, 2017 20:22:19 GMT -5
I do think Cena could have spared a few losses in his feuds (mostly SummerSlam 2010 against The Nexus and WrestleMania 30 against Wyatt) somewhere along the line, but you couldn't have done too many because it would have lost all effect before too long. Look at how little it meant for Del Rio to beat Cena clean just months after Owens did it. The Del Rio loss isn't a good example because, at the time, it DID mean something. He returns to a huge pop, wins the belt in under 10 minutes and is pretty much treated like a hero. And afterwards, they don't do anything with him except put him in a feud with Jack Swagger, a guy who had done less than nothing even before Cena's US open challenge began, in a feud that couldn't have been more bizarrely jingoistic if it had flashing neon signs saying "Bizarrely Jingoistic". I mean, if it didn't go a different direction, Bryan beating Cena would have meant little because that win was only potentially being used to prop up Orton for a rematch with Cena before Batista came back to the scene.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 9, 2017 20:31:54 GMT -5
I do think Cena could have spared a few more losses in his feuds to help the larger narrative (mostly SummerSlam 2010 against The Nexus and WrestleMania 30 against Wyatt), but you couldn't have done too many because it would have lost all effect before too long. Look at how little it meant for Del Rio to beat Cena clean just months after Owens did it. Exactly, He's wrong when he says he hasn't been protected, but in terms of maintaining the mystique of Cena's character, I think there is an argument to be made that he really does need to be protected to some degree as a top draw. Like that time Ambrose randomly beat him clean on one Smackdown, it wasn't treated like the big deal it should have been. Nope, they just moved on to the angle with Styles like ten seconds later.
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Post by Chiral on Jun 9, 2017 20:43:16 GMT -5
Cena always has the worst excuses for this shit.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jun 9, 2017 20:59:40 GMT -5
So he's basically patting himself on the back for "allowing" Miz to rip on him a little bit and nicely glosses over the fact that afterwards he just called him a pussy and beat him with ease in the actual match. What a guy!
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Post by Abdullah on Jun 9, 2017 20:59:59 GMT -5
Cena probably shouldn't talk about his on-screen presentation. Most of the time, whenever he does, he has zero introspection.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 9, 2017 21:07:29 GMT -5
![](http://i.imgur.com/C4rJB94.gif) Yeah,Ok John.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 21:19:39 GMT -5
He can say what ever he wants, that doesn't make it true.
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Post by abjordans on Jun 9, 2017 21:48:37 GMT -5
I think Cena is exactly right. He may not of done any favors for Sandow, Wyatt, and Barrett, but those guys kind of suck in my opinion.
However, he did wonders for the WWE careers of Kevin Owens, AJ Styles, CM Punk, and Daniel Bryan. If you are good enough and hot enough, Cena will do business. I have never felt like Cena buries guys, I think that is bullshit. He doesn't lose to any bum they put up against him, but he doesn't steamroll every guy either.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jun 9, 2017 22:04:30 GMT -5
It's kinda hard to stay motivated when you're booked into oblivion and have to spend possible years getting back to where you were before you feuded with Cena.
Signed,
a metric f*** ton of talent.
p.s. Miz made the feud interesting John, you did the same shit you've been doing over a decade. Don't take credit for people's creativity. You're literally the same character.
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