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Post by romanstylesiii on Jun 14, 2017 17:41:22 GMT -5
By far the most over person on this show, and instead of going with it, they purposely did not listen to the fans.
Rollins has not been this over since, momentum like this is so hard to get, and when they do finally get it, they just ignore it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 14, 2017 17:46:24 GMT -5
It doesn't help that Seth is the worst casted face since Edge when he tried to get Spear, Spear, Spear over. There's blame on all sides and yes they should of had Rollins return as a face but it doesn't help that they panicked after Finn got injured and turned him face while HHH ducked him for 6 months.
Fans were supposed to love Rollins for 6 months but he was still a dickhead heel with nothing to rally behind but we were supposed to cheer for him because he was whining HHH turned on him
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Jun 14, 2017 19:53:04 GMT -5
I liked the ending with Dean cashing in. It made sense to me, after Rollins broke up The Shield, had Kane help him win MITB by taking it away from Ambrose, and beating Dean's ass for months after that. Dean finally getting his sweet revenge after Rollins worked so hard to come back and win back the WWE title only to have it snatched away moments later.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jun 14, 2017 22:06:51 GMT -5
Seth pinned Roman, and Dean left with the title. Not sure where you mean Vince shoved Roman over Seth here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 22:14:31 GMT -5
Are we trying to spin a negative in Roman Reigns losing clean to Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose winning a long overdue WWE Championship in one of the rarest ways and actually calling his shot exactly from The Raw before? Also coming in full circle on how Rollins originally won The WWE Championship in some cruel ironic justice. Seriously? I always hated the adeage you can't please everyone but this is one of those cases.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Jun 14, 2017 22:29:49 GMT -5
Not much to add, except the Spear into the Pedigree counter was awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 23:29:19 GMT -5
Are we trying to spin a negative in Roman Reigns losing clean to Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose winning a long overdue WWE Championship in one of the rarest ways and actually calling his shot exactly from The Raw before? Also coming in full circle on how Rollins originally won The WWE Championship in some cruel ironic justice. Seriously? I always hated the adeage you can't please everyone but this is one of those cases. I'm pretty sure the video was solely to demonstrate the pop and nothing more. Nothing is said about the actual show itself, just that Seth hasn't been that over since that point and that he's floundering which... Y'know, he is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 23:40:27 GMT -5
Are we trying to spin a negative in Roman Reigns losing clean to Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose winning a long overdue WWE Championship in one of the rarest ways and actually calling his shot exactly from The Raw before? Also coming in full circle on how Rollins originally won The WWE Championship in some cruel ironic justice. Seriously? I always hated the adeage you can't please everyone but this is one of those cases. I'm pretty sure the video was solely to demonstrate the pop and nothing more. Nothing is said about the actual show itself, just that Seth hasn't been that over since that point and that he's floundering which... Y'know, he is. I remember the reaction was pretty big when HHH turned on Rollins. The crowd was begging for a hot angle and would be willing to cheer for Rollins but they killed the momentum by not having HHH show up till January and do a nothing never ending feud with comedy act Owens out shadowed by a list where every match ended with Jericho screwing him. |
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Post by xCompackx on Jun 14, 2017 23:52:59 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the video was solely to demonstrate the pop and nothing more. Nothing is said about the actual show itself, just that Seth hasn't been that over since that point and that he's floundering which... Y'know, he is. I remember the reaction was pretty big when HHH turned on Rollins. The crowd was begging for a hot angle and would be willing to cheer for Rollins but they killed the momentum by not having HHH show up till January and do a nothing never ending feud with comedy act Owens out shadowed by a list where every match ended with Jericho screwing him. The whole "Where you at, HHH?!" thing is still so f***ing stupid, especially when Seth apparently couldn't find HHH at NXT TakeOver: Toronto despite everyone knowing the guy's there. And then they make it even worse by doing the angle at the next TakeOver as if he just thought of looking there. For an architect, Seth Rollins seems pretty dumb. |
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jun 14, 2017 23:56:18 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the video was solely to demonstrate the pop and nothing more. Nothing is said about the actual show itself, just that Seth hasn't been that over since that point and that he's floundering which... Y'know, he is. I remember the reaction was pretty big when HHH turned on Rollins. The crowd was begging for a hot angle and would be willing to cheer for Rollins but they killed the momentum by not having HHH show up till January and do a nothing never ending feud with comedy act Owens out shadowed by a list where every match ended with Jericho screwing him. And then add on to the fact when they finally started HHH/Rollins, HHH was outclassing Rollins for the majority of this feud until Seth started to finally show some babyface sympathy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 0:04:08 GMT -5
I remember the reaction was pretty big when HHH turned on Rollins. The crowd was begging for a hot angle and would be willing to cheer for Rollins but they killed the momentum by not having HHH show up till January and do a nothing never ending feud with comedy act Owens out shadowed by a list where every match ended with Jericho screwing him. The whole "Where you at, HHH?!" thing is still so f***ing stupid, especially when Seth apparently couldn't find HHH at NXT TakeOver: Toronto despite everyone knowing the guy's there. And then they make it even worse by doing the angle at the next TakeOver as if he just thought of looking there. For an architect, Seth Rollins seems pretty dumb. It took him like 6 months to even decide that getting his hands on Triple H was a goal of his, and by the time he reached that conclusion his big plan was to climb up the ranks, win the Royal Rumble and win the title. The most patient revenge a babyface ever attempted. I think the big killer for Rollins was coming back from his injury and immediately being a heel again, I think everyone was ready for it by then but they could have picked up the pieces if they actually had him be assertive and make attempts to actually get revenge on the McMahons. Like, I really don't understand why they kept Triple H missing for so long, have Seth Rollins show up at every Takeover, have Triple H throw his NXT toys at him. The story of WWE's existence is always having storylines with a basic skeleton that could become something great if they just put effort into it instead of just coasting along all the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 0:12:23 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the video was solely to demonstrate the pop and nothing more. Nothing is said about the actual show itself, just that Seth hasn't been that over since that point and that he's floundering which... Y'know, he is. I remember the reaction was pretty big when HHH turned on Rollins. The crowd was begging for a hot angle and would be willing to cheer for Rollins but they killed the momentum by not having HHH show up till January and do a nothing never ending feud with comedy act Owens out shadowed by a list where every match ended with Jericho screwing him. It was a horribly put together feud in general. They should have either held off on starting it or just done it and not pointlessly dragged it out to Mania, one or the other. And even outside of that, they should have had Seth not be an unlikable idiot who spent months whining about wanting to beat Triple H up for not helping him and Triple H a useless twat because he went out of his way to stab Seth in the back to keep him away from the title then promptly left him have a dozen title shots afterward where he did nothing to step in. Even the blowoff sucked. For how little build it actually wound up getting and how little consequence the match itself had due to Seth's injury, they should have just had it see Triple H win with Joe's help to build to an actual payoff later. Instead Seth won one completely meaningless match and that just instantly resolved the conflict. |
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Post by nate5054 on Jun 15, 2017 0:39:01 GMT -5
There are three ways to do things. The right way, the wrong way, and the Vince way!
Isn't that the wrong way?
Yes, but faster!
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 15, 2017 1:16:53 GMT -5
Why should Rollins have been a face?
The biggest douchebag in years in the WWE gets hurt and we're supposed to cheer him just because he was gone for a while? Give me a break. It's not like he was a tweener or something when he left. Hell, before he got hurt people were in favor of Roman beating him for the title for a change of pace.
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Post by Starshine on Jun 15, 2017 1:49:43 GMT -5
Why should Rollins have been a face? The biggest douchebag in years in the WWE gets hurt and we're supposed to cheer him just because he was gone for a while? Give me a break. It's not like he was a tweener or something when he left. Hell, before he got hurt people were in favor of Roman beating him for the title for a change of pace. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. It's the same thing as when Triple H returned in 2001. Before he left he was a selfish asshole who also beat up women, yet the moment he returns he's a triumphant hero. |
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Post by romanstylesiii on Jun 15, 2017 2:25:58 GMT -5
Are we trying to spin a negative in Roman Reigns losing clean to Seth Rollins and Dean Ambrose winning a long overdue WWE Championship in one of the rarest ways and actually calling his shot exactly from The Raw before? Also coming in full circle on how Rollins originally won The WWE Championship in some cruel ironic justice. Seriously? I always hated the adeage you can't please everyone but this is one of those cases. I'm pretty sure the video was solely to demonstrate the pop and nothing more. Nothing is said about the actual show itself, just that Seth hasn't been that over since that point and that he's floundering which... Y'know, he is. Pretty much. Match was great. But this is a whole month after Seth came back, and he is still mega over. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 2:33:59 GMT -5
When Rollins came back, he should've cut a promo about changing and wanting to do things the right way. From there you have Steph offer him advantages, but he refuses. Everything plays out the same from there, and if Finn gets injured, you IMMEDIATELY start the Triple H feud. The motivation goes from "I was an asshole and I'm mad the boss didn't help me win." To Tri giving the motivation of "When you join The Authority, you don't decide when you leave, I do, and I've decided you're no good to me anymore."
But the feud must start IMMEDIATELY. Holding it off till Mania was the biggest blow to Rollins as he was aimless for six months. The WWE mentally of "save it for Mania" is so counterproductive to what they're trying to accomplish most of the time, and it mostly just leads to boring shows.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 15, 2017 5:30:48 GMT -5
Seth never made any amends or went for redemption for his evil ways. It was that he was mad that Triple H was a bigger dickbag than him. It was the same asshole Rollins as before. People hate Roman Reigns so much that they wanted the weasely rat bastard who used dirty tactics to stay world champion to automatically return as a babyface because he didn't come off as a jerk on the video packages building to his return. And Dean beating Seth for the world title played into their long running feud where Rollins cheated by all means necessary against him.
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Post by -Lithium- on Jun 15, 2017 15:05:51 GMT -5
It's just typical idiot Vince. The guy the fans want to cheer is made to be the heel and "THE GUY" the fans despise (also directly due to Vinces usual awful direct input) is made to be the face. He's such a cancer to the creative process...
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Jun 15, 2017 15:14:44 GMT -5
Why should Rollins have been a face? The biggest douchebag in years in the WWE gets hurt and we're supposed to cheer him just because he was gone for a while? Give me a break. It's not like he was a tweener or something when he left. Hell, before he got hurt people were in favor of Roman beating him for the title for a change of pace. Whether or not he did anything to earn it besides getting hurt, when he came back he DID get a big "Welcome back!" chant. Then he rejected the crowd and stayed heel for like 2 weeks before they tried to turn him face anyway. |
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