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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 25, 2017 15:47:17 GMT -5
Yeah, and if it was this dude's kid getting on Raw from doing it, then cool. If the dad is getting more famous than the number two draft pick, I'd bet money on this dude not being the next Kobe. The future doesnt matter because we can't book for hypotheticals. Lavar is a star right now. They get him in. They get a headline or two because he's a star currently. If his son flames out. It doesnt matter because the season doesnt even start for months and NBA careers last a long ass time.For real, I was amazed when I saw that Metta World Peace's old ass was still playing last season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 15:48:34 GMT -5
Getting Lavar Ball to show up on Raw in LA is pretty good for WWE. Love him or hate him, he's made himself into a central sports figure just by being, essentially, a pro-wrestling manager. If I was WWE, I'd just give him a mic and watch the magic happen. Then, of course, they have to have him and Titus both try to recruit wrestlers to their brands.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 25, 2017 15:49:05 GMT -5
Now, this isn't me judging who this person is because, hey, culture is massive at this point and one half of people can be really familiar with someone or something and one half of people wouldn't and it wouldn't matter if the one half is helping them get successful. Like, people rag on YouTubers but some are making a huge amount of money from getting a huge audience (less so because of YouTube's own dumbass decisions but that's another topic)..
But it says a lot that what seems to be the only real solution for WWE's own incompetence for building their own talent is 'Get people who are popular because they're able to make their own names for themselves instead of being hindered by micro management to such a high degree, people have to watch YouTube videos and short Network clips to find out if they like a talent or not'.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 25, 2017 15:50:05 GMT -5
Now, this isn't me judging who this person is because, hey, culture is massive at this point and one half of people can be really familiar with someone or something and one half of people wouldn't and it wouldn't matter if the one half is helping them get successful. Like, people rag on YouTubers but some are making a huge amount of money from getting a huge audience (less so because of YouTube's own dumbass decisions but that's another topic).. But it says a lot that what seems to be the only real solution for WWE's own incompetence for building their own talent is 'Get people who are popular because they're able to make their own names for themselves instead of being hindered by micro management to such a high degree, people have to watch YouTube videos and short Network clips to find out if they like a talent or not'. And regardless of all the argument in the thread, this is sadly pretty much the core of the problem, yep.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 25, 2017 15:50:45 GMT -5
Said it before but it for real is hilarious how many people say WWE needs to get with the times when you can tell from thier posts that they don't know what's actually hot in the streets right now. In 1986, Herb, the guy who was referenced in Burger King commercials around that time period, was a guest timekeeper at Wrestlemania 2. And we all know that appearance was a real whopper. And in the year 2005/6, WWE brought in this guy named Kevin Federline who had a really fun feud with John Cena and genuinely got a lot of press at the time. Around 2004 or so, they also brought in this goofball named Mike Mizinan because he was on a reality show talking about how he wanted to be a wrestler and called himself "The Miz." So, what's your point, lmao? The appearance could be horrible, it could be good, and it could be nothing. The point is that Lavar Ball is someone who is currently in the mainstream conscious and WWE is trying to capitalize on that. Like, isn't this what people want with special guests? WWE trying to be "with it" and in touch with what's going on in modern society?
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Post by salz4life on Jun 25, 2017 15:50:46 GMT -5
I know I'm late, but...... PLEASE GOD NO!!!
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 25, 2017 15:53:27 GMT -5
In 1986, Herb, the guy who was referenced in Burger King commercials around that time period, was a guest timekeeper at Wrestlemania 2. And we all know that appearance was a real whopper. And in the year 2005/6, WWE brought in this guy named Kevin Federline who had a really fun feud with John Cena and genuinely got a lot of press at the time. Around 2004 or so, they also brought in this goofball named Mike Mizinan because he was on a reality show talking about how he wanted to be a wrestler and called himself "The Miz." So, what's your point, lmao? The appearance could be horrible, it could be good, and it could be nothing. The point is that Lavar Ball is someone who is currently in the mainstream conscious and WWE is trying to capitalize on that. Like, isn't this what people want with special guests? WWE trying to be "with it" and in touch with what's going on in modern society? Honestly, I'd rather WWE focus on getting their own guys over to a significant level of relevance rather than leaning on future Trivial Pursuit orange wedge.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 25, 2017 15:57:59 GMT -5
And in the year 2005/6, WWE brought in this guy named Kevin Federline who had a really fun feud with John Cena and genuinely got a lot of press at the time. Around 2004 or so, they also brought in this goofball named Mike Mizinan because he was on a reality show talking about how he wanted to be a wrestler and called himself "The Miz." So, what's your point, lmao? The appearance could be horrible, it could be good, and it could be nothing. The point is that Lavar Ball is someone who is currently in the mainstream conscious and WWE is trying to capitalize on that. Like, isn't this what people want with special guests? WWE trying to be "with it" and in touch with what's going on in modern society? Honestly, I'd rather WWE focus on getting their own guys over to a significant level of relevance rather than leaning on future Trivial Pursuit orange wedge. Well duh. That kinda goes without saying.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 25, 2017 16:02:40 GMT -5
And in the year 2005/6, WWE brought in this guy named Kevin Federline who had a really fun feud with John Cena and genuinely got a lot of press at the time. Around 2004 or so, they also brought in this goofball named Mike Mizinan because he was on a reality show talking about how he wanted to be a wrestler and called himself "The Miz." So, what's your point, lmao? The appearance could be horrible, it could be good, and it could be nothing. The point is that Lavar Ball is someone who is currently in the mainstream conscious and WWE is trying to capitalize on that. Like, isn't this what people want with special guests? WWE trying to be "with it" and in touch with what's going on in modern society? Honestly, I'd rather WWE focus on getting their own guys over to a significant level of relevance rather than leaning on future Trivial Pursuit orange wedge.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 16:06:57 GMT -5
I mean, for f***'s sake, this is pro wrestling. Running your mouth and talking a lot of shit is how most of the biggest names were created, lmao. Yeah, and if it was this dude's kid getting on Raw from doing it, then cool. If the dad is getting more famous than the number two draft pick, I'd bet money on this dude not being the next Kobe. For a guy who made claims like nobody cares about The NBA outside of America and didn't know the name Lonzo Ball till today, how can you be making claims if he's a draft bust already?
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Jun 25, 2017 16:07:08 GMT -5
In 1986, Herb, the guy who was referenced in Burger King commercials around that time period, was a guest timekeeper at Wrestlemania 2. And we all know that appearance was a real whopper. And in the year 2005/6, WWE brought in this guy named Kevin Federline who had a really fun feud with John Cena and genuinely got a lot of press at the time. Around 2004 or so, they also brought in this goofball named Mike Mizinan because he was on a reality show talking about how he wanted to be a wrestler and called himself "The Miz." So, what's your point, lmao? The appearance could be horrible, it could be good, and it could be nothing. The point is that Lavar Ball is someone who is currently in the mainstream conscious and WWE is trying to capitalize on that. Like, isn't this what people want with special guests? WWE trying to be "with it" and in touch with what's going on in modern society? It's because the people in charge of WWE try to get celebrities who are 'with it' because they are flashes in the pan and soon thereafter 'without it'. They are memes in human form. They are Bart Simpson after people stopped caring about "I didn't do it" (which in itself is already an incredibly dated reference). By association, this fetish for celebrities who really don't give a shit about wrestling makes WWE even look more corny, out of date, and out of touch because the company is forever behind on cultural trends, and can only coast in the wake of the impact that B-and-C list celebrities have had on popular culture. For every Arnold Schwarzenegger-as-WWF-champion or Barack Obama pre-tape segment, there are dozens of others that feature the Nic Turturros and Snookis of the world.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Jun 25, 2017 16:08:44 GMT -5
Yeah, and if it was this dude's kid getting on Raw from doing it, then cool. If the dad is getting more famous than the number two draft pick, I'd bet money on this dude not being the next Kobe. For a guy who made claims like nobody cares about The NBA outside of America and didn't know the name Lonzo Ball till today, how can you be making claims if he's a draft bust already? It's pure speculation. I don't know anything about the kid, except that he's the number 2 draft pick of an incredibly popular sport, and his dad's more famous than him for making shoes. So....how impressive can he be?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 16:14:25 GMT -5
For a guy who made claims like nobody cares about The NBA outside of America and didn't know the name Lonzo Ball till today, how can you be making claims if he's a draft bust already? It's pure speculation. I don't know anything about the kid, except that he's the number 2 draft pick of an incredibly popular sport, and his dad's more famous than him for making shoes. So....how impressive can he be? The fact he got drafted #2 overall despite his dad being a media circus where things like that often are detmentrial to their career. See Michael Sam, see Colin Kaepernick. Also just the fact he was drafted #2 overall period Also Kobe started his career of as a media circus entering a NBA Draft after highschool and not college like 99% of the players do and refusing to go to the team that drafted him and demanded to only play for The Lakers.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jun 25, 2017 16:18:22 GMT -5
For a guy who made claims like nobody cares about The NBA outside of America and didn't know the name Lonzo Ball till today, how can you be making claims if he's a draft bust already? It's pure speculation. I don't know anything about the kid, except that he's the number 2 draft pick of an incredibly popular sport, and his dad's more famous than him for making shoes. So....how impressive can he be? There are better fighters in the UFC than McGregor but he's the lightning rod because of his mouth. Talk shit and cause commotion in a normally subdued forum and you'll gain notoriety over others pretty quick.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 25, 2017 16:27:41 GMT -5
I haven't watched a full episode of Raw in years but I'd tune in to see this.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jun 25, 2017 16:34:21 GMT -5
I'd just like to point out, British here. Lifelong follower of the NBA and loyal Lakers fan. I've also followed LaVar's rise to fame and could probably name at least 20 other dudes I know who follow basketball over here, heck, I'm on a team full of about 15 guys who all follow the NBA, and we're in a league with like 19 other teams of the same amount of players who all follow it. The NBA is probably of a similar popularity to WWE over here. At the least, it's way more popular than most of you are letting on.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 25, 2017 16:40:03 GMT -5
I'd just like to point out, British here. Lifelong follower of the NBA and loyal Lakers fan. I've also followed LaVar's rise to fame and could probably name at least 20 other dudes I know who follow basketball over here, heck, I'm on a team full of about 15 guys who all follow the NBA, and we're in a league with like 19 other teams of the same amount of players who all follow it. The NBA is probably of a similar popularity to WWE over here. At the least, it's way more popular than most of you are letting on. When I was in London, there were as many promotions for products involving NBA stars in the same spaces as football/soccer players. I don't have as many friends who are into basketball as you do but I'd be lying if I said people didn't go mad when the NBA announced regular pre-season matches over here.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Jun 25, 2017 16:40:52 GMT -5
And in the year 2005/6, WWE brought in this guy named Kevin Federline who had a really fun feud with John Cena and genuinely got a lot of press at the time. Around 2004 or so, they also brought in this goofball named Mike Mizinan because he was on a reality show talking about how he wanted to be a wrestler and called himself "The Miz." So, what's your point, lmao? The appearance could be horrible, it could be good, and it could be nothing. The point is that Lavar Ball is someone who is currently in the mainstream conscious and WWE is trying to capitalize on that. Like, isn't this what people want with special guests? WWE trying to be "with it" and in touch with what's going on in modern society? It's because the people in charge of WWE try to get celebrities who are 'with it' because they are flashes in the pan and soon thereafter 'without it'. They are memes in human form. They are Bart Simpson after people stopped caring about "I didn't do it" (which in itself is already an incredibly dated reference). By association, this fetish for celebrities who really don't give a shit about wrestling makes WWE even look more corny, out of date, and out of touch because the company is forever behind on cultural trends, and can only coast in the wake of the impact that B-and-C list celebrities have had on popular culture. For every Arnold Schwarzenegger-as-WWF-champion or Barack Obama pre-tape segment, there are dozens of others that feature the Nic Turturros and Snookis of the world. Right, but look at it this way - booking a celebrity is not something done with the long term in mind. Do you think anyone cares about Kevin Federline or that guy from the Burger King ads in 2017? No. But they were famous at the time they were on TV, and that's what mattered. It got them press at the time and made people watching go "hey, that's that one guy I know from that one thing". I mean freaking Snooki had a match at Wrestlemania and nobody gives a shit about her now, but at the time, Jersey Shore was popular. LaVar is exactly that right now. He's the hot thing on Twitter and he's discussed almost daily on basketball shows. Right now he's culturally relevant and most people know his name. Maybe he will fizzle out in time, and maybe people might not care about him this time next year, but right now, that doesn't matter, because it isn't next year, it's right now, and right now, LaVar is popular and well covered in the media. I see nothing wrong with WWE capitalising on someone who's popular right now. Hell, the complaint I usually see is that WWE is behind on what's popular and can't keep up with modern media.
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Post by stealthamo on Jun 25, 2017 16:51:13 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of LaVar since I find him really overbearing (I get that's his shtick though). Also, there was like a week stretch where people wouldn't stop talking about him which made it worse.
That being said, if there was any guest appearance on Raw that would work, it would be him. Mainly because he doesn't give a damn about anyone but him and his family (and BBB).
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Post by Cela on Jun 25, 2017 19:11:10 GMT -5
I'm not too familiar, but he's only a thing because his dad is a really obnoxious promoter, right?
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