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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Aug 31, 2024 11:39:15 GMT -5
Episode 2 was much better than episode 1.
Disa is awesome, great episode for her. The scenes with Sauron and Celebrimbor were great The halflings and Gandalf's scenes were better in this episode Celebrimbor going for a first age bottle of wine that's like thousands of years old and then breaking it before he could taste a drop made me laugh. The Annator reveal was tip top.
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Post by Hurbster on Aug 31, 2024 18:31:02 GMT -5
Welp, it's living down to my expectations so far.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 2, 2024 7:40:16 GMT -5
The Numenor scenes are beyond dull. I care about zero of them and the Queen Regent is an absolutely awful actor. The opening 20 minutes at Numenor I felt myself falling asleep.
Just watched episode 3 ... the only times the show is interesting is the Dwarves, Sauron and Celabrimbror and Mordor.
The rest of it is a complete drag. We are now the total length of one of the Lord of the Rings movies and nothing has happened.
I think part of the problem is, there are too many stories going on which means the plot is progressing at a snail's pace and a good number of the ongoing storlyines are just boring trudge.
If the show focussed on solely Annatar/Sauron and the rings, the growth of Mordor and the dwarves then it would be a solid show.
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Post by chrom on Sept 2, 2024 7:52:29 GMT -5
See's what they did to the Orcs.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 2, 2024 17:05:42 GMT -5
What is up with the lighting? Can’t see anything.
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Post by Hurbster on Sept 2, 2024 19:27:50 GMT -5
For the best, really.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 2, 2024 22:16:46 GMT -5
What is up with the lighting? Can’t see anything. I really hate the current trend of making everything so dark you can't see. Why does Hollywood think that's a good idea? It is a regular complaint of mine for many TV shows. You'd have thought they'd have learned after everybody shit on Game of Thrones's Battle of Winterfell for the same thing... but nope. It's like when they all jumped aboard the shaky cam trend. The audiences all absolutely hated it yet Hollywood persisted with it for some reason.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 4, 2024 6:37:53 GMT -5
I didn’t have a huge problem with the introduction of Adar. Tolkien did write that the orcs were created from mutated elves, and he did hint at the existence of dark elves, so it at least fit more wise. And I didn’t entirely mind Adar treating the orcs as his “children,” it was a slightly fresh take and added a touch of tragedy to his character. But for some reason, an orc family is a step too far for me.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 4, 2024 9:14:14 GMT -5
I didn’t have a huge problem with the introduction of Adar. Tolkien did write that the orcs were created from mutated elves, and he did hint at the existence of dark elves, so it at least fit more wise. And I didn’t entirely mind Adar treating the orcs as his “children,” it was a slightly fresh take and added a touch of tragedy to his character. But for some reason, an orc family is a step too far for me. That was a bit weird. I quite like Adar. I think it makes sense for Mordor to have some sort of ruler doing stuff whilst Sauron is off corrupting the elves and creating the rings. Otherwise the orcs would be wandering around leaderless. But the orc family was odd. Didn't the original trilogy establish that they are sorta just grew in bubbly cocoon type things and emerge fully grown?
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 4, 2024 10:46:05 GMT -5
I didn’t have a huge problem with the introduction of Adar. Tolkien did write that the orcs were created from mutated elves, and he did hint at the existence of dark elves, so it at least fit more wise. And I didn’t entirely mind Adar treating the orcs as his “children,” it was a slightly fresh take and added a touch of tragedy to his character. But for some reason, an orc family is a step too far for me. That was a bit weird. I quite like Adar. I think it makes sense for Mordor to have some sort of ruler doing stuff whilst Sauron is off corrupting the elves and creating the rings. Otherwise the orcs would be wandering around leaderless. But the orc family was odd. Didn't the original trilogy establish that they are sorta just grew in bubbly cocoon type things and emerge fully grown? That was from the Peter Jackson movie. And honestly, it worked. Tolkien never went too far into how orcs are “born.” In the Two Towers, it’s implied Sauruman has been cross breeding orcs and humans to create the Uruk Hai, which could be interpreted as implying the existence of female orcs, but the details were not fleshed out. But the bottom line was that orcs were not loyal to morgoth, Sauron, or sauruman because they were misunderstood and had nowhere else to go, it was because that is what they were made for.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 4, 2024 11:12:13 GMT -5
That was from the Peter Jackson movie. And honestly, it worked. Tolkien never went too far into how orcs are “born.” In the Two Towers, it’s implied Sauruman has been cross breeding orcs and humans to create the Uruk Hai, which could be interpreted as implying the existence of female orcs, but the details were not fleshed out. But the bottom line was that orcs were not loyal to morgoth, Sauron, or sauruman because they were misunderstood and had nowhere else to go, it was because that is what they were made for. I find them being grown in sorta bubble type things like that to be more fitting. Or, if they're gonna do baby orcs--not a family. Maybe something like a lizard, where they're just left to fend for themselves. I think it's less the orc family what annoys me, and more the mother is coddling and caring for the young orc. It just doesn't fit at all.
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Post by chrom on Sept 4, 2024 14:19:09 GMT -5
Orcs and Goblins in Tolkien works have always been shown as a one gender society and always male, as well as never having any attachments or bonds.
Only a dominant will like Sauron's has kept them united and not slaughtering one another
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 4, 2024 14:49:32 GMT -5
Orcs and Goblins in Tolkien works have always been shown as a one gender society and always male, as well as never having any attachments or bonds. Only a dominant will like Sauron's has kept them united and not slaughtering one another I think only male orcs were shown, but Tolkien also changed his mind on the origin of the orcs quite a bit. And if there aren’t female orcs it isn’t clear what Bolg being the son of Azog even means. And Bolg was out for revenge so there must have been some sort of connection there albeit a twisted orc version of it. Then there’s these: "Thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orkor in envy and mockery of the Eldar, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orkor had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar; and naught that had life of its own, nor the semblance thereof, could ever Melkor make since his rebellion in the Ainulindalë before the Beginning: so say the wise." Morgoth's Ring, Annals of Aman "...and thus did Melkor breed the hideous race of the Orcs in envy and mockery of the Elves, of whom they were afterwards the bitterest foes. For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the Children of Ilúvatar;..." The Silmarillion "'There must have been orc-women. But in stories that seldom if ever see the Orcs except as soldiers of armies in the service of the evil lords we naturally would not learn much about their lives. Not much was known'." The Munby Letter (ca 1963)
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 5, 2024 11:25:52 GMT -5
And come to think of it, what’s with dwarves always having Scottish accents throughout various fantasy settings? Couldn’t you just picture “Mama Mia! By Aule’s gabbagool!”
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 5, 2024 12:19:07 GMT -5
And come to think of it, what’s with dwarves always having Scottish accents throughout various fantasy settings? Couldn’t you just picture “Mama Mia! By Aule’s gabbagool!” In your typical fantasy your humans get English with a British accent. THe snooty elves get posh British. That leaves a Scottish accent for the dwarves. And your monster gibberish is presumably Welsh. Real answer - I think it is traced to the 1961 Poul Anderson story "Three Hearts and Three Lions", which included dwarves with a Scottish accent. That influenced Gary Gygax who carried on with Scottish dwarves. And then it stuck. Sort of like how the pirate accent was codified by Robert Newton in the 1950 adaptation of Treasure Island.
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Post by Sephiroth on Sept 5, 2024 14:16:34 GMT -5
And come to think of it, what’s with dwarves always having Scottish accents throughout various fantasy settings? Couldn’t you just picture “Mama Mia! By Aule’s gabbagool!” In your typical fantasy your humans get English with a British accent. THe snooty elves get posh British. That leaves a Scottish accent for the dwarves. And your monster gibberish is presumably Welsh. Real answer - I think it is traced to the 1961 Poul Anderson story "Three Hearts and Three Lions", which included dwarves with a Scottish accent. That influenced Gary Gygax who carried on with Scottish dwarves. And then it stuck. Sort of like how the pirate accent was codified by Robert Newton in the 1950 adaptation of Treasure Island. In the case of the orcs from warhammer 40k, they all talk like they are from northern England.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 6, 2024 10:50:37 GMT -5
Ok, Bombadil was great. Best part of episode 4 by far. I really enjoyed the first 20 minutes or so of this episode, then it just went downhill.
Galadriel continues to be the most insufferable person on the planet.
How did Adar and his army get from Mordor to Eregion, did he unlock a fast travel point?
And as an aside... where are they blowing the budget? The casting is, for the most part, mediocre, the special effects and choreography are mediocre, the costuming is mediocre.
It is solely the dwarves, Sauron and Celebrimbor and the goings on in Mordor that keep my interest in this... and all were absent except teleporting Adar. And now he's appeared and apparently going to be a regular... Tom Bombadil. He was great. Big fan of Old Tom Bombadil.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Sept 6, 2024 12:53:01 GMT -5
And come to think of it, what’s with dwarves always having Scottish accents throughout various fantasy settings? Couldn’t you just picture “Mama Mia! By Aule’s gabbagool!” In your typical fantasy your humans get English with a British accent. THe snooty elves get posh British. That leaves a Scottish accent for the dwarves. And your monster gibberish is presumably Welsh. Real answer - I think it is traced to the 1961 Poul Anderson story "Three Hearts and Three Lions", which included dwarves with a Scottish accent. That influenced Gary Gygax who carried on with Scottish dwarves. And then it stuck. Sort of like how the pirate accent was codified by Robert Newton in the 1950 adaptation of Treasure Island. In my D&D campaigns the dwarves always have the thickest Canuck accents out of spite and will actively make fun of any player playing a dwarf with a Scottish accent.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 6, 2024 13:03:39 GMT -5
Ok, Bombadil was great. Best part of episode 4 by far. I really enjoyed the first 20 minutes or so of this episode, then it just went downhill. Galadriel continues to be the most insufferable person on the planet. How did Adar and his army get from Mordor to Eregion, did he unlock a fast travel point? And as an aside... where are they blowing the budget? The casting is, for the most part, mediocre, the special effects and choreography are mediocre, the costuming is mediocre. It is solely the dwarves, Sauron and Celebrimbor and the goings on in Mordor that keep my interest in this... and all were absent except teleporting Adar. And now he's appeared and apparently going to be a regular... Tom Bombadil. He was great. Big fan of Old Tom Bombadil. I think the easy low point of this season is anything involving Isildur, Theo, and Arondir (whose name I absolutely had to look up) That or Numenor, but at least that's been brief
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 6, 2024 13:23:02 GMT -5
I think the easy low point of this season is anything involving Isildur, Theo, and Arondir (whose name I absolutely had to look up) That or Numenor, but at least that's been brief They are my least favorites too. Just boring, and I care absolutely zero about any of them. The other storylines at least have something to keep my interest--like Galadriel, I find her insufferably obnoxious but I do like Elrond who she is with, so it stops her storyline from being a drag. I honestly think the show needs to just drop some of the storylines going forward. Drop Numenor, drop Isildur, Theo and Arondir, drop the Harfoots and honestly I would drop the stranger and the other dark wizard too. Just focus solely on the rings, dwarves and Sauron.
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