Perd
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Post by Perd on Nov 14, 2017 14:38:28 GMT -5
If he means I can’t stop staring at that butt, then yes.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on Nov 14, 2017 14:38:36 GMT -5
Source? I've never heard of this. Surely: “I do have creative control but also Vince (McMahon) gives advice and ideas and I take them. Vince has experience and he has made the biggest sports entertainment in the history. He has made WWE into a global phenomenon. I have a good relation with Vince, he trusts me on the microphone, with my matches, which will only increase with time. I personally want to seek Vince’s advice.” www.sescoops.com/jinder-mahal-claims-he-has-creative-control-over-his-character/Well that's pretty definitive. I do know he gave an interview a ways back stating all the crazy passport shit was a Vince call at least.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 14, 2017 14:39:16 GMT -5
I think Bliss has been mishandled at times (like the asinine feud with Bayley that made both of them come out looking worse for it), and I am getting a little fatigued on her reign, but she's not really comparable to Jinder to me. She's more like Seth Rollins as WWE champion, where they were qualified, but I question if they were either not made for long reigns, or if this run has just worn out its welcome.
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Post by Tenshigure on Nov 14, 2017 14:55:07 GMT -5
I think Bliss has been mishandled at times (like the asinine feud with Bayley that made both of them come out looking worse for it), and I am getting a little fatigued on her reign, but she's not really comparable to Jinder to me. She's more like Seth Rollins as WWE champion, where they were qualified, but I question if they were either not made for long reigns, or if this run has just worn out its welcome. Actually I'd say she's more like Kevin Owens, including that looming Goldberg-like character quickly approaching that is being built to completely decimate her in seconds to take the belt away.
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AlexaBliss4Life
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Nov 14, 2017 14:57:07 GMT -5
Jinder, chiseled giant man that he is, constantly needed help from the Singh Brothers to win matches. 5 foot nothing not-at-all intimidating Alexa Bliss beats damn near everyone cleanly. That’s the biggest source of my frustration. It's refreshing to see a heel win without help though. All heels cheat these days except Alexa. She should be praised for her noble wrestling!
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Nov 14, 2017 15:15:24 GMT -5
Jinder, chiseled giant man that he is, constantly needed help from the Singh Brothers to win matches. 5 foot nothing not-at-all intimidating Alexa Bliss beats damn near everyone cleanly. That’s the biggest source of my frustration. It's refreshing to see a heel win without help though. All heels cheat these days except Alexa. She should be praised for her noble wrestling! But this "noble wrestling" invariably makes those she beats look like garbage. Who has come out of a feud with Alexa Bliss looking better for it? Who has come out of a feud with Alexa Bliss even looking as good as they were going in? Naomi. That's it.
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 14, 2017 15:21:28 GMT -5
Jinder actually had people talking about the world title. Jinder had the focus on his belt, he was made out to be a paper champion and everybody he faced (sans Nakamura, sheesh) was the better wrestler who was just outsmarted by his shenanigans. For all the problems with Mahal, we were talking about his title and it had a place on the show. Nobody's talking about the Raw Women's title right now and everyone who Alexa faces looks worse after she faces them. She beats everybody clean and they look like shit. People forget that Alexa is champion because of how badly booked that title is. Alexa's reign is worse than Mahal's reign. This is pretty spot on. The bigger issue is that she belittles the shit out of them and she wins clean, makes them look like f***ing goofballs. Like, if she ever sold any of them as a legit threat and won clean, the damage would be far less severe. Her reign is everything I absolutely hated about LayCool and their stranglehold on the division
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 14, 2017 15:27:19 GMT -5
well Alexa gets crowd reactions... so I mean just from the jump it's a flawed comparison. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) That said she does need to lose the title and spend some time away from it. But that would require the WWE to actually be able to book a competent face, and that's not on her. The main reason Alexa is on raw is because the WWE kinda poisoned the well with Banks and Bayley with the Charlotte feuds and decided they needed to get Charlotte away but give a strong heel the title so they could build people up... but WWE then proceeded to continue doing what they did to get them in trouble in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 15:28:43 GMT -5
Jinder actually had people talking about the world title. Jinder had the focus on his belt, he was made out to be a paper champion and everybody he faced (sans Nakamura, sheesh) was the better wrestler who was just outsmarted by his shenanigans. For all the problems with Mahal, we were talking about his title and it had a place on the show. Nobody's talking about the Raw Women's title right now and everyone who Alexa faces looks worse after she faces them. She beats everybody clean and they look like shit. People forget that Alexa is champion because of how badly booked that title is. Alexa's reign is worse than Mahal's reign. This is pretty spot on. The bigger issue is that she belittles the shit out of them and she wins clean, makes them look like f***ing goofballs. Like, if she ever sold any of them as a legit threat and won clean, the damage would be far less severe. Her reign is everything I absolutely hated about LayCool and their stranglehold on the division It's like she's a wrestling Stephanie. She just never gets what's coming to her and when she loses the belt it won't make up for all of the time she's had it where we have to deal with her competitors looking bad. I was listening to Meltzer and Alvarez review Raw and they talked about Stephanie belittling everyone. Alvarez said he's been watching old Raws and each week Vince did some diabolical shit but he always got what's coming to him on that episode and if not that, shortly after. Stephanie and Alexa never do that. We go months without them getting their comeuppance if they get that. It's shit like that which makes us not want to root for babyfaces.
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 14, 2017 15:33:40 GMT -5
This is pretty spot on. The bigger issue is that she belittles the shit out of them and she wins clean, makes them look like f***ing goofballs. Like, if she ever sold any of them as a legit threat and won clean, the damage would be far less severe. Her reign is everything I absolutely hated about LayCool and their stranglehold on the division It's like she's a wrestling Stephanie. She just never gets what's coming to her and when she loses the belt it won't make up for all of the time she's had it where we have to deal with her competitors looking bad. I was listening to Meltzer and Alvarez review Raw and they talked about Stephanie belittling everyone. Alvarez said he's been watching old Raws and each week Vince did some diabolical shit but he always got what's coming to him on that episode and if not that, shortly after. Stephanie and Alexa never do that. We go months without them getting their comeuppance if they get that. It's shit like that which makes us not want to root for babyfaces. I think the Mickie James stuff was the last straw. Like, I get it: Mickie at this stage is there to put people over. But having Alexa belittle her every week and then win clean as a sheet kinda kills the impact of Mickie putting over everyone else. It's unnecessary, stupid booking. Alexa shouldn't be booked as someone who wins every match clean. Not when you have far more credible girls on the roster who should be doing so
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 15:36:04 GMT -5
It's like she's a wrestling Stephanie. She just never gets what's coming to her and when she loses the belt it won't make up for all of the time she's had it where we have to deal with her competitors looking bad. I was listening to Meltzer and Alvarez review Raw and they talked about Stephanie belittling everyone. Alvarez said he's been watching old Raws and each week Vince did some diabolical shit but he always got what's coming to him on that episode and if not that, shortly after. Stephanie and Alexa never do that. We go months without them getting their comeuppance if they get that. It's shit like that which makes us not want to root for babyfaces. I think the Mickie James stuff was the last straw. Like, I get it: Mickie at this stage is there to put people over. But having Alexa belittle her every week and then win clean as a sheet kinda kills the impact of Mickie putting over everyone else. It's unnecessary, stupid booking. Alexa shouldn't be booked as someone who wins every match clean. Not when you have far more credible girls on the roster who should be doing so In retrospect even Trips during the Reign of Terror got his a good amount of time. He always talked up his opponents, always had that band-aid on his forehead during every post-ppv Raw proving he was hurt, most of the time was shown up by the opponents until his boys got involved. Alexa's doing it on her own, talking shit and just winning, yeah that Mickie stuff was bad. This company just doesn't get it.
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Post by Fade on Nov 14, 2017 15:38:44 GMT -5
How dare anyone compare the Goddess to that jobber jabroni.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 14, 2017 15:41:52 GMT -5
Bliss' never ending Roman-Strong push makes me seriously wonder if she doesn't have McMahon DNA in her veins and it's a secret to those of us not in the know.
She's over though *shrugs*. It ain't the worst thing going on.
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 14, 2017 15:44:08 GMT -5
I think the Mickie James stuff was the last straw. Like, I get it: Mickie at this stage is there to put people over. But having Alexa belittle her every week and then win clean as a sheet kinda kills the impact of Mickie putting over everyone else. It's unnecessary, stupid booking. Alexa shouldn't be booked as someone who wins every match clean. Not when you have far more credible girls on the roster who should be doing so In retrospect even Trips during the Reign of Terror got his a good amount of time. He always talked up his opponents, always had that band-aid on his forehead during every post-ppv Raw proving he was hurt, most of the time was shown up by the opponents until his boys got involved. Alexa's doing it on her own, talking shit and just winning, yeah that Mickie stuff was bad. This company just doesn't get it. Right, and HHH had Evolution bailing him out in some form or another for most of his reign. Very classic Flair/Horsemen booking. The problem is that the WWE doesn't know how to book a Women's champion in any other way besides 'Dominant Mean girl'. I feel like we've seen Alexa's reign a dozen times the last few years
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 14, 2017 15:44:17 GMT -5
I think the Mickie James stuff was the last straw. Like, I get it: Mickie at this stage is there to put people over. But having Alexa belittle her every week and then win clean as a sheet kinda kills the impact of Mickie putting over everyone else. It's unnecessary, stupid booking. Alexa shouldn't be booked as someone who wins every match clean. Not when you have far more credible girls on the roster who should be doing so In retrospect even Trips during the Reign of Terror got his a good amount of time. He always talked up his opponents, always had that band-aid on his forehead during every post-ppv Raw proving he was hurt, most of the time was shown up by the opponents until his boys got involved. Alexa's doing it on her own, talking shit and just winning, yeah that Mickie stuff was bad. This company just doesn't get it. As strongly booked Charlotte was last year, my perception is leaning towards they have booked Alexa stronger. Yes, they booked her and Sasha matches into the ground for the foreseeable future but they were proven to be on each others level.
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Post by tenshi on Nov 14, 2017 15:50:18 GMT -5
Let me put it this way: We live in a world where Alexa Bliss is booked stronger than Roman Reigns. Think about that.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Nov 14, 2017 15:51:58 GMT -5
In retrospect even Trips during the Reign of Terror got his a good amount of time. He always talked up his opponents, always had that band-aid on his forehead during every post-ppv Raw proving he was hurt, most of the time was shown up by the opponents until his boys got involved. Alexa's doing it on her own, talking shit and just winning, yeah that Mickie stuff was bad. This company just doesn't get it. As strongly booked Charlotte was last year, my perception is leaning towards they have booked Alexa stronger. Yes, they booked her and Sasha matches into the ground for the foreseeable future but they were proven to be on each others level. Just looking Alexa's recent her win loss record she seems to mostly lose non title matches... (And a few title matches via dq/count out) which isn't far off from how Charlotte was booked.
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 14, 2017 15:52:44 GMT -5
In retrospect even Trips during the Reign of Terror got his a good amount of time. He always talked up his opponents, always had that band-aid on his forehead during every post-ppv Raw proving he was hurt, most of the time was shown up by the opponents until his boys got involved. Alexa's doing it on her own, talking shit and just winning, yeah that Mickie stuff was bad. This company just doesn't get it. As strongly booked Charlotte was last year, my perception is leaning towards they have booked Alexa stronger. Yes, they booked her and Sasha matches into the ground for the foreseeable future but they were proven to be on each others level. Bingo. Sasha was the Sting to her.....uh....well, Flair. Alexa is the Goldberg to everyone else's Joe Gomez
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Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 14, 2017 15:53:33 GMT -5
As strongly booked Charlotte was last year, my perception is leaning towards they have booked Alexa stronger. Yes, they booked her and Sasha matches into the ground for the foreseeable future but they were proven to be on each others level. Just looking Alexa's recent her win loss record she seems to mostly lose non title matches... (And a few title matches via dq/count out) which isn't far off from how Charlotte was booked. Right, but Charlotte had an equal. Who's been booked anything close to Alexa's?
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 14, 2017 15:55:36 GMT -5
In retrospect even Trips during the Reign of Terror got his a good amount of time. He always talked up his opponents, always had that band-aid on his forehead during every post-ppv Raw proving he was hurt, most of the time was shown up by the opponents until his boys got involved. Alexa's doing it on her own, talking shit and just winning, yeah that Mickie stuff was bad. This company just doesn't get it. As strongly booked Charlotte was last year, my perception is leaning towards they have booked Alexa stronger. Yes, they booked her and Sasha matches into the ground for the foreseeable future but they were proven to be on each others level. Charlotte lost a lot of title matches too. She surpass Ric's title reign numbers yet?
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