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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 20:09:43 GMT -5
People are talking about how Alexa's opponents looked worse after feuding with her, but what exactly did Orton or Nakamura gain from losing multiple times to Jinder Mahal? If anything, Orton looked like the biggest dumbass in the entire company because he lost in the exact same shenanigans-filled way TWICE, and Nakamura looked like a complete chump because he couldn't beat a guy who had spent weeks making racist jokes about him. 1.) Orton didn't lose to shenanigans the same way twice. The second time Khali came out and helped Mahal win. Khali wasn't involved in the first interaction. 2.) Nakamura is the one guy I and many others have stated is the only guy to lose clean. You can talk about Orton "looking like the biggest dumbass" all you want but the fact is Orton had to fend against 3 additional dudes in order to lose to Mahal. Shinsuke on the other hand is a different story because Shinsuke's the only guy since Mahal's won the title, other than Tye Dillinger of all people, Mahal beat without help. Mahal needed help to beat Luke Harper and everyone else other than those 2. Think about it. Alexa on the other hand, tell me how many times she wins clean compared to Jinder, without help, tell me. There's clearly a difference.
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Post by Starshine on Nov 14, 2017 20:10:40 GMT -5
People are talking about how Alexa's opponents looked worse after feuding with her, but what exactly did Orton or Nakamura gain from losing multiple times to Jinder Mahal? If anything, Orton looked like the biggest dumbass in the entire company because he lost in the exact same shenanigans-filled way TWICE, and Nakamura looked like a complete chump because he couldn't beat a guy who had spent weeks making racist jokes about him. 1.) Orton didn't lose to shenanigans the same way twice. The second time Khali came out and helped Mahal win. Khali wasn't involved in the first interaction. 2.) Nakamura is the one guy I and many others have stated is the only guy to lose clean. You can talk about Orton "looking like the biggest dumbass" all you want but the fact is Orton had to fend against 3 additional dudes in order to lose to Mahal. Shinsuke on the other hand is a different story because Shinsuke's the only guy since Mahal's won the title, other than Tye Dillinger of all people, Mahal beat without help. Mahal needed help to beat Luke Harper and everyone else other than those 2. Think about it. Alexa on the other hand, tell me how many times she wins clean compared to Jinder, without help, tell me. There's clearly a difference. You forgot about Money in the Bank which had basically the same finish as Backlash.
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Post by H-Virus on Nov 14, 2017 20:11:44 GMT -5
People are talking about how Alexa's opponents looked worse after feuding with her, but what exactly did Orton or Nakamura gain from losing multiple times to Jinder Mahal? If anything, Orton looked like the biggest dumbass in the entire company because he lost in the exact same shenanigans-filled way TWICE, and Nakamura looked like a complete chump because he couldn't beat a guy who had spent weeks making racist jokes about him. 1.) Orton didn't lose to shenanigans the same way twice. The second time Khali came out and helped Mahal win. Khali wasn't involved in the first interaction. That was the third match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 20:15:52 GMT -5
1.) Orton didn't lose to shenanigans the same way twice. The second time Khali came out and helped Mahal win. Khali wasn't involved in the first interaction. That was the third match. Are you counting when Mahal wasn't champion? If you're counting when he won the belt I agree. I thought we weren't talking about when they won the titles but when they're already champions.
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Post by theironyuppie on Nov 14, 2017 20:15:55 GMT -5
The way they've prioritized her over every other woman on the show is a detriment to the division. As others have said already, she belittles them and runs them down and then wins clean. That doesn't help anyone. I'm ready for someone to take the belt off her and for her to do something else for a while. If she's as great as everyone says, she'll be fine without the belt. It hasn't even helped her. People rightly complain about some of the Charlotte booking, but at least she consistently got heel reactions. Alexa just gets a (recently dwindling) pop when she enters, and crickets for her matches.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 14, 2017 20:43:08 GMT -5
Let's keep the repetitive arguments to a minimum folks. If you've already weighed in with your opinion and you have nothing more to actually add, please move on to other threads.
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Post by Yacht Persona on Nov 14, 2017 22:25:55 GMT -5
It's clear to me that Vince and Kevin Dunn still prefer their fitness models that act catty over female wrestlers doing something unique.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Nov 14, 2017 22:29:59 GMT -5
I've atleast laughed at the initial Jinder thing and you get the sense that he's not going to be a mainstay in the main event at all.
Bliss though. She's going to be booked as an on and off champion for years and that bums me out because she SUUUUUUCKS.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 14, 2017 22:33:35 GMT -5
They're overbooked heels, that's about where the comparisons end.
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Post by schma on Nov 15, 2017 1:25:42 GMT -5
Jinder actually had people talking about the world title. Jinder had the focus on his belt, he was made out to be a paper champion and everybody he faced (sans Nakamura, sheesh) was the better wrestler who was just outsmarted by his shenanigans. For all the problems with Mahal, we were talking about his title and it had a place on the show. Nobody's talking about the Raw Women's title right now and everyone who Alexa faces looks worse after she faces them. She beats everybody clean and they look like shit. People forget that Alexa is champion because of how badly booked that title is. Alexa's reign is worse than Mahal's reign. Alexa's reign when summed up like that sounds more like a HHH reign.
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 15, 2017 1:47:22 GMT -5
There's a strong case for Alexa's mic skills, character work and facial expressions being the best in her division. She's over as a result.
Jinder isn't close to the best in anything.
Its also argueable that they needed to reduce the gap between the horsewomen and the rest due to the small women's rosters, Alexa's reigns have helped with that.
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Post by Unocal 76 on Nov 15, 2017 3:13:21 GMT -5
The fact that Alexa Bliss rarely needs outside interference in her title defenses means she cannot be Jinder Mahal.
Contrast that with former women's champions that always needed outside help- Ivory in her RTC days needed one of her cohorts to win like 90 percent of her title defenses, Stephanie in 2000 (Remember how she won the women's title), the rotating LayCool.
Like, how many times has Alexa had to blatantly cheat to retain anyway?
And she certainly doesn't try to get intentionally disqualified.
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Post by The Ichi on Nov 15, 2017 7:34:34 GMT -5
Ok, I don't watch Raw so I have no horse in the Alexa thing, but let's not do the "in retrospect the Reign of Terror wasn't complete buttcheeks" thing. You and I both know it was.
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