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Post by Chuck Conry on Sept 7, 2018 0:33:03 GMT -5
Those are his words. If the match was cut by 5 to 6 minutes, they easily could have accomplished the same story. There was a lot of stalling in that match. Also, a lot of the things that happened kind of show why Vince booked his ppvs a certain way. Usually the match before the PPV main event was not a main event level match, sometimes even two or three matches before the main event. This would make it easier to either cut down or just eliminate the match all together if the show is going over. Obviously with the Network you don't see this with WWE PPVs, but you still see it on Raw and Smackdown. Another thing, you can't just blame it all on Scurll. Okada was there and Tiger Hattori as well, who both understand English very well. However, they may not understand the whole time constraint thing, as it doesn't work that way in Japan. I'm not just blaming Scurll, I said both he and Okada were mainly to blame if they couldn't cut it down. But Okada also isn't the one trying to make a concession in that he only went 1 minute over his allotted time. Marty is currently suffering from foot in mouth disease for his dumbass defense. - Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com commented on the situation with the Kazuchika Okada vs. Marty Scurll match reportedly going longer than it was supposed to. Here is what Johnson said courtesy of RingsideNews.com: “I don’t know if it aired on TV but they were literally having people run to the ring during Marty Scrull vs Okada yelling at Scurll: ‘Go home! You have to go home!’ And at one point there was even consideration because someone who was on the headsets heard it that Cody Rhodes: ‘just ring the bell and call it a draw we have to move on.’ And that almost happened.’ “So you know they’re all denying it now but there was a little bit of heat on Scurll afterward. He definitely got chastised in the back for this.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 3:57:02 GMT -5
I'm not just blaming Scurll, I said both he and Okada were mainly to blame if they couldn't cut it down. But Okada also isn't the one trying to make a concession in that he only went 1 minute over his allotted time. Marty is currently suffering from foot in mouth disease for his dumbass defense. - Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com commented on the situation with the Kazuchika Okada vs. Marty Scurll match reportedly going longer than it was supposed to. Here is what Johnson said courtesy of RingsideNews.com: “I don’t know if it aired on TV but they were literally having people run to the ring during Marty Scrull vs Okada yelling at Scurll: ‘Go home! You have to go home!’ And at one point there was even consideration because someone who was on the headsets heard it that Cody Rhodes: ‘just ring the bell and call it a draw we have to move on.’ And that almost happened.’ “So you know they’re all denying it now but there was a little bit of heat on Scurll afterward. He definitely got chastised in the back for this.” The whole thing really does really sound stupid and reckless. Especially given how down to the wire the show got, it could have suddenly turned into a disaster if the show had gone off the air without a finish.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Sept 7, 2018 8:37:41 GMT -5
Scurll: No, Kazu they say we have to go home!
Okada: *shrugs* Wakarimasen. Five more minutes.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 7, 2018 8:40:30 GMT -5
- Mike Johnson of PWInsider.com commented on the situation with the Kazuchika Okada vs. Marty Scurll match reportedly going longer than it was supposed to. Here is what Johnson said courtesy of RingsideNews.com: “I don’t know if it aired on TV but they were literally having people run to the ring during Marty Scrull vs Okada yelling at Scurll: ‘Go home! You have to go home!’ And at one point there was even consideration because someone who was on the headsets heard it that Cody Rhodes: ‘just ring the bell and call it a draw we have to move on.’ And that almost happened.’ “So you know they’re all denying it now but there was a little bit of heat on Scurll afterward. He definitely got chastised in the back for this.” The whole thing really does really sound stupid and reckless. Especially given how down to the wire the show got, it could have suddenly turned into a disaster if the show had gone off the air without a finish. Have to wonder if that'll cause some trust issues between Marty and Cody/YB.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 12:17:36 GMT -5
Okada must have been taking Scurll for a ride that he didn't know how to get off of. That would be such a crazy thing for Scurll to do to them on purpose.
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 7, 2018 13:37:21 GMT -5
Okada must have been taking Scurll for a ride that he didn't know how to get off of. That would be such a crazy thing for Scurll to do to them on purpose. Yeah, I honestly don't know if I'd blame Scurll for all of this. Kazu is really used to doing long matches, and it seems like he would have taken the lead in the match. I mean, he's the top guy of NJPW, how do you get out of a situation if he decided he wants a match to go longer than it was supposed to? The communication definitely could have been better than it was, but we still got a really good match out of it, and they were able to wrap up in time with people still going home happy. The fans weren't tearing the place apart because they only got 9 minutes of the last match. It could have been a lot worse that what it turned out to be.
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 7, 2018 14:00:48 GMT -5
I think it's gonna be somewhere between what Marty said and what the report said.
Matt said to not cut anything, so they didn't. Meanwhile, The Bucks were getting ready for their match, leaving Cody by himself in production, not knowing what Matt said, so he flipped out a bit.
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Post by Fade on Sept 7, 2018 17:00:01 GMT -5
I think it's gonna be somewhere between what Marty said and what the report said. Matt said to not cut anything, so they didn't. Meanwhile, The Bucks were getting ready for their match, leaving Cody by himself in production, not knowing what Matt said, so he flipped out a bit. Yeah..I figure this is probably accurate. A lot of people are bypassing the "Nick told him not to cut anything" part.
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 7, 2018 20:22:51 GMT -5
I think it's gonna be somewhere between what Marty said and what the report said. Matt said to not cut anything, so they didn't. Meanwhile, The Bucks were getting ready for their match, leaving Cody by himself in production, not knowing what Matt said, so he flipped out a bit. Yeah..I figure this is probably accurate. A lot of people are bypassing the "Nick told him not to cut anything" part. I'm very much expecting a Marty segment on the next BTE to have a bunch of guys in the background telling him to cut it short. Or Arthur and Trevor, with hands appropriately taped up.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 7, 2018 20:25:51 GMT -5
I think it's gonna be somewhere between what Marty said and what the report said. Matt said to not cut anything, so they didn't. Meanwhile, The Bucks were getting ready for their match, leaving Cody by himself in production, not knowing what Matt said, so he flipped out a bit. Yeah..I figure this is probably accurate. A lot of people are bypassing the "Nick told him not to cut anything" part. The thing is if you watch it, you and clearly hear the "Go HOME" call.
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 7, 2018 20:35:18 GMT -5
Yeah..I figure this is probably accurate. A lot of people are bypassing the "Nick told him not to cut anything" part. The thing is if you watch it, you and clearly hear the "Go HOME" call. Miscommunications and misunderstandings. Matt said to go out and do the match, didn't say anything to Cody, who was scrambling to get time for the main.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 7, 2018 20:39:52 GMT -5
The thing is if you watch it, you and clearly hear the "Go HOME" call. Miscommunications and misunderstandings. Matt said to go out and do the match, didn't say anything to Cody, who was scrambling to get time for the main. They made it through it and for an event like this and for the first time they ever done it. Not everything was going to be perfect.
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 7, 2018 20:44:18 GMT -5
Miscommunications and misunderstandings. Matt said to go out and do the match, didn't say anything to Cody, who was scrambling to get time for the main. They made it through it and for an event like this and for the first time they ever done it. Not everything was going to be perfect. Most definitely. My friends and I were enjoying the match way too loudly to notice any go homes. And then we loved the main event too much to notice it only went like 7 minutes. All I'm saying is that I think people are drastically overrating the heat that might be on Marty. And that might even be part of the reason the six man went on last. "If anyone goes long, we all work fast enough, we can get our shit in."
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 8, 2018 13:57:33 GMT -5
Watching now - it's been a good show, but I think there were too many matches. 3 hours would have been fine. I think I would have cut MJF/Cross (though I like MJF). That was the only match that didn't really have meaning or purpose. In hindsight, I might have done Okada and Pentagon vs. Scurll and Omega - that's still a unique first-time matchup, solves the time problem and also doesn't kill the crowd as much.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 8, 2018 20:23:51 GMT -5
They made it through it and for an event like this and for the first time they ever done it. Not everything was going to be perfect. Most definitely. My friends and I were enjoying the match way too loudly to notice any go homes. And then we loved the main event too much to notice it only went like 7 minutes. All I'm saying is that I think people are drastically overrating the heat that might be on Marty. And that might even be part of the reason the six man went on last. "If anyone goes long, we all work fast enough, we can get our shit in." Also, as the co-promoters on the show, if anything had to have time cut, it might as well be their match and not someone else’s.
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Post by Larryhausen on Sept 8, 2018 22:33:49 GMT -5
Most definitely. My friends and I were enjoying the match way too loudly to notice any go homes. And then we loved the main event too much to notice it only went like 7 minutes. All I'm saying is that I think people are drastically overrating the heat that might be on Marty. And that might even be part of the reason the six man went on last. "If anyone goes long, we all work fast enough, we can get our shit in." Also, as the co-promoters on the show, if anything had to have time cut, it might as well be their match and not someone else’s. Precisely my point. Putting that on last guaranteed everyone else ample time because the main event was basically a Lucha match. Get in, get your shit in, get out, doesn't matter if you have 7 minutes or 45 minutes.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 9, 2018 10:31:28 GMT -5
Watching now - it's been a good show, but I think there were too many matches. 3 hours would have been fine. I think I would have cut MJF/Cross (though I like MJF). That was the only match that didn't really have meaning or purpose. In hindsight, I might have done Okada and Pentagon vs. Scurll and Omega - that's still a unique first-time matchup, solves the time problem and also doesn't kill the crowd as much. i figure they had MJF/Cross to make sure people streaming could get their shit ready in time for the main card, but yeah cutting that or bumping to Zero Hour and opening with Daniels/Amell would have lost them nothing substantial and given the main event more time.
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Post by J. Hova on Sept 9, 2018 16:38:59 GMT -5
I finally got around to watching the show this weekend. Overall I thought it was a pretty good show, it wasn't anything earth shattering to me but I was entertained.
Assuming they do another one and why wouldn't they, I think they need to do a few things.
I think that a decent amount of these matches were the first time or two these guys have worked together. It might be beneficial to have these guys work together a time or two to get their stuff down.
There were a lot of weird timing issues in the matches. I don't know if it was the camera angle cut or what but I think it was the Cody/Aldis match, Cody 'hit' a superkick that I think missed by 6 inches. You could have driven a mack truck with all of that daylight. Same deal with the disaster kick and I hated the spot with Brandi taking the elbow drop. I absolutely loved the intro with the entourages to that match but I'm a boxing fan so that whole feel was really cool to me.
Adam Page should be a big star and this was my first time seeing Joey Ryan. I get what Jim Cornette is saying. Why Joey Ryan is booked for anything I do not understand. That whole "Joey is dead" thing made me instantly not care.
As far as going over time and all of that, a way to keep that from happening or at least communication correct is to hire someone to run gorilla or production for the event like Bruce Prichard or whomever so you don't have Nick telling someone to not cut anything and not telling Cody. You just have that single point of contact to keep everything flowing. You also institute time limits to matches like in the olden days and if someone is going over, you have an out to keep things manageable.
Overall, I'd give the show a B- or a B. It wasn't like I was thinking "Oh my God, wrestling is back," but I did think this can be a good first step to a really good thing. Now they need to follow it up with good shows like this every 6 months or a year to progressively bigger and more prestigious venues.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 9, 2018 16:46:31 GMT -5
As far as going over time and all of that, a way to keep that from happening or at least communication correct is to hire someone to run gorilla or production for the event like Bruce Prichard or whomever so you don't have Nick telling someone to not cut anything and not telling Cody. You just have that single point of contact to keep everything flowing. You also institute time limits to matches like in the olden days and if someone is going over, you have an out to keep things manageable. Yeah. I want to assume they had a permanent man there assisting the show running, but if so, why wouldn't the Bucks have the guy tell Cody that they decided to give Okada extra time? You could have even had a guy like Colt or Rocky Romero do that.
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 9, 2018 16:57:43 GMT -5
Miscommunications and misunderstandings. Matt said to go out and do the match, didn't say anything to Cody, who was scrambling to get time for the main. They made it through it and for an event like this and for the first time they ever done it. Not everything was going to be perfect. But how can anyone pick the show apart and dismiss it as being not as ground shaking as everyone says it is if we don't focus on this?! WHERE WILL WE GET THE HOT TAKES FROM?!?!
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