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Post by corndog on Dec 4, 2017 12:00:15 GMT -5
I understand that it was due to him slapping John Stossel around backstage, later leading to a lawsuit. But why did he get blackballed for it? Hogan choked out Richard Belzer on live tv leading to him cracking the back of his head open and got to be champion for the next three years. I am not defending what Schultz did, but it seems like he was really just doing what he was taught to do to "protect the business". At the time kayfabe was still protected in the WWF and Stossel was backstage at a show asking if wrestling was fake, while doing an expose on the business.
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Post by nickcave on Dec 4, 2017 12:38:33 GMT -5
Because Hogan was the centerpiece of the brand and Schultz was a utility player
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 4, 2017 12:52:48 GMT -5
From the wwf? Because he tried to legit attack Mr T so Dr D would be featured on that angle. Also from reading Bret's book and hearing other guys shoot interviews like Gene Okerlund, they all said that Schultz was a nice guy but he was crazy as f***, Okerlund went so far and said that Schultz's usage of drugs and steroids had the guy on edge. I think Dr D just got fed up with the business and left, he's now a bounty hunter, that's one scary dude.
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Post by corndog on Dec 4, 2017 21:52:06 GMT -5
From the wwf? Because he tried to legit attack Mr T so Dr D would be featured on that angle. Also from reading Bret's book and hearing other guys shoot interviews like Gene Okerlund, they all said that Schultz was a nice guy but he was crazy as f***, Okerlund went so far and said that Schultz's usage of drugs and steroids had the guy on edge. I think Dr D just got fed up with the business and left, he's now a bounty hunter, that's one scary dude. Never really heard about Schultz trying to attack Mr. T. Looked into a little bit after reading this and I haven't heard anything to confirm it, but it has been mentioned. I still think that blackballing him even for that would be harsh, as Hogan said many had issues with Mr. T and wanted to shoot on him including Piper and Orndorff. But it would make more sense than the Stossel attack since Mr.T coming to the WWF was a big deal that really brought them to the mainstream. As far as being crazy, yeah I've definitely heard that before. But let's be honest, especially in this time period, there were some crazy bastards in the WWF. He didn't really leave the business voluntarily, he was legit blackballed. It is interesting considering this was Vince, who was an outlaw to the NWA and territories, even recognized the blackballing but they did. I think he may have worked with AWA and some smaller organizations, but he really couldn't make money in the business anymore. Last time I heard he was still doing the bounty hunter gig and apparently a very good one. So he did have a good life after wrestling that seems to fit him pretty well.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 4, 2017 22:18:09 GMT -5
From the wwf? Because he tried to legit attack Mr T so Dr D would be featured on that angle. Also from reading Bret's book and hearing other guys shoot interviews like Gene Okerlund, they all said that Schultz was a nice guy but he was crazy as f***, Okerlund went so far and said that Schultz's usage of drugs and steroids had the guy on edge. I think Dr D just got fed up with the business and left, he's now a bounty hunter, that's one scary dude. Never really heard about Schultz trying to attack Mr. T. Looked into a little bit after reading this and I haven't heard anything to confirm it, but it has been mentioned. I still think that blackballing him even for that would be harsh, as Hogan said many had issues with Mr. T and wanted to shoot on him including Piper and Orndorff. But it would make more sense than the Stossel attack since Mr.T coming to the WWF was a big deal that really brought them to the mainstream. As far as being crazy, yeah I've definitely heard that before. But let's be honest, especially in this time period, there were some crazy bastards in the WWF. He didn't really leave the business voluntarily, he was legit blackballed. It is interesting considering this was Vince, who was an outlaw to the NWA and territories, even recognized the blackballing but they did. I think he may have worked with AWA and some smaller organizations, but he really couldn't make money in the business anymore. Last time I heard he was still doing the bounty hunter gig and apparently a very good one. So he did have a good life after wrestling that seems to fit him pretty well. Schultz tried to start an actual fight with T during a show, causing T to almost leave the arena and cost them the upcoming WM match. THAT is why he was fired, nothing to do with the Stossel show. He didn't get blackballed from anything - most certainly not on the command of Vince McMahon, who was at war with the other promoters. Schultz worked AWA and Memphis after leaving WWF. The reason he didn't work beyond that was because he was a legit headcase and no one wanted to deal with him.
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Post by corndog on Dec 4, 2017 23:28:29 GMT -5
Never really heard about Schultz trying to attack Mr. T. Looked into a little bit after reading this and I haven't heard anything to confirm it, but it has been mentioned. I still think that blackballing him even for that would be harsh, as Hogan said many had issues with Mr. T and wanted to shoot on him including Piper and Orndorff. But it would make more sense than the Stossel attack since Mr.T coming to the WWF was a big deal that really brought them to the mainstream. As far as being crazy, yeah I've definitely heard that before. But let's be honest, especially in this time period, there were some crazy bastards in the WWF. He didn't really leave the business voluntarily, he was legit blackballed. It is interesting considering this was Vince, who was an outlaw to the NWA and territories, even recognized the blackballing but they did. I think he may have worked with AWA and some smaller organizations, but he really couldn't make money in the business anymore. Last time I heard he was still doing the bounty hunter gig and apparently a very good one. So he did have a good life after wrestling that seems to fit him pretty well. Schultz tried to start an actual fight with T during a show, causing T to almost leave the arena and cost them the upcoming WM match. THAT is why he was fired, nothing to do with the Stossel show. He didn't get blackballed from anything - most certainly not on the command of Vince McMahon, who was at war with the other promoters. Schultz worked AWA and Memphis after leaving WWF. The reason he didn't work beyond that was because he was a legit headcase and no one wanted to deal with him. The Mr. T story definitely makes more sense than the Stossel incident. I have heard some claim he was blackballed, including himself, although something else I read said that he just wanted too much money. I know he worked in AWA afterwards, but just assumed they didn't give a crap about Vince and for some reason other territories obeyed it. That does sound pretty stupid though.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 4, 2017 23:40:13 GMT -5
From the wwf? Because he tried to legit attack Mr T so Dr D would be featured on that angle. Also from reading Bret's book and hearing other guys shoot interviews like Gene Okerlund, they all said that Schultz was a nice guy but he was crazy as f***, Okerlund went so far and said that Schultz's usage of drugs and steroids had the guy on edge. What I heard is that he was on edge because he was in San Francisco, and wanted a Woe-man, and he couldn't find any of them, just men who looked like them.
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Post by atgnatpodcast on Dec 5, 2017 9:18:55 GMT -5
“Dummy can you talk?” Is one of my favorite promos ever
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Post by willywonka666 on Dec 5, 2017 10:44:52 GMT -5
I know it was a magazine, but in an interview Dr.D claimed Vince didn't back him up when shit hit the fan and denied telling D to "rough him up" referring to Stossell
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Dec 5, 2017 19:49:40 GMT -5
Dr. D : "Baby" :: Hogan : "Brother"
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 5, 2017 19:57:42 GMT -5
I’ve always thought the Belzer incident was actually a bit unfair on Hogan. Belzer repeatedly asked for Hogan to do a move on him and when he did it and Belzer went to the ground like a sack of shit, he was the one who kept asking for it. If you keep asking a 280lb man to do a move on you, deal with the consequences if he actually does it.
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Post by corndog on Dec 6, 2017 1:32:13 GMT -5
I’ve always thought the Belzer incident was actually a bit unfair on Hogan. Belzer repeatedly asked for Hogan to do a move on him and when he did it and Belzer went to the ground like a sack of shit, he was the one who kept asking for it. If you keep asking a 280lb man to do a move on you, deal with the consequences if he actually does it. Hogan should have known better and just said he didn't want to hurt Belzer. As far as going down like a sack of shit, he was knocked out(most people would be after being choked out by Hogan's huge arms) and instead of Hogan just softly putting him down, he dropped him. Also, Belzer suffered much more physical damage than Stossel did from Schultz's attack.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Dec 6, 2017 2:31:58 GMT -5
I’ve always thought the Belzer incident was actually a bit unfair on Hogan. Belzer repeatedly asked for Hogan to do a move on him and when he did it and Belzer went to the ground like a sack of shit, he was the one who kept asking for it. If you keep asking a 280lb man to do a move on you, deal with the consequences if he actually does it. Hogan should have known better and just said he didn't want to hurt Belzer. As far as going down like a sack of shit, he was knocked out(most people would be after being choked out by Hogan's huge arms) and instead of Hogan just softly putting him down, he dropped him. Also, Belzer suffered much more physical damage than Stossel did from Schultz's attack. I can see that Hogan could have let him down more gently after the front face lock but I was actually referring to the incident before when Hogan just put his hands on him and Belzer threw himself to the hard floor on purpose.By doing that Hogan might not have actually known Belzer was genuinely out as he was playing the fool seconds before.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Dec 6, 2017 2:40:25 GMT -5
He was nice, fairly quiet, and polite guy when I met him several years ago.
That said, he still gave off a vibe of being someone you didn't want to f*** with.
I'm inclined to back up what Madison said.
No one else in the business cared if Vince wanted a guy out of the business. Vince wouldn't hire Ole Anderson after buying Georgia after attempting to introduce him to Linda and having Ole respond, "f*** you and f*** her too." Ten years later he was still working for WCW. That's probably one reason they kept finding stuff for him.
People were just tired of dealing with him. The story I heard about him quitting the AWA involved him walking into a meeting and trying to pick a fight with Verne. Supposedly Greg jumped up and offered to fight him, but people got them both out of the room before anything happened besides the old, "You're fired!," "f*** you, I quit!," routine.
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Post by corndog on Dec 6, 2017 11:49:32 GMT -5
Hogan should have known better and just said he didn't want to hurt Belzer. As far as going down like a sack of shit, he was knocked out(most people would be after being choked out by Hogan's huge arms) and instead of Hogan just softly putting him down, he dropped him. Also, Belzer suffered much more physical damage than Stossel did from Schultz's attack. I can see that Hogan could have let him down more gently after the front face lock but I was actually referring to the incident before when Hogan just put his hands on him and Belzer threw himself to the hard floor on purpose.By doing that Hogan might not have actually known Belzer was genuinely out as he was playing the fool seconds before. If you watch the clip, Belzer goes completely limp, it's very obvious even on an old low def clip. Hogan dropped him as soon as he knew he was out. He knew what he was doing and knew that Belzer would go out. I'm not saying Belzer wasn't being a massive prick or didn't have it coming. But Hogan had done talk shows before, even getting on the Tonight Show before his WWF run started. I imagine outside of his massive popularity, marketability and size, his ability to work with mainstream media was a big part of why Vince picked him. He just shouldn't have done it and even Mr. T tries to get away from doing it, knowing it was a bad idea.
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Post by The Blue Nova on Dec 6, 2017 12:08:17 GMT -5
Didn't he once cut a promo saying about Jerry Lawler saying Jerry Lawler you have aids!?
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Post by Phil Parent on Dec 6, 2017 15:59:14 GMT -5
From the wwf? Because he tried to legit attack Mr T so Dr D would be featured on that angle. Also from reading Bret's book and hearing other guys shoot interviews like Gene Okerlund, they all said that Schultz was a nice guy but he was crazy as f***, Okerlund went so far and said that Schultz's usage of drugs and steroids had the guy on edge. What I heard is that he was on edge because he was in San Francisco, and wanted a Woe-man, and he couldn't find any of them, just men who looked like them. Each time I see it referenced, I have to go watch that promo. It's so perfect. It's so WRESTLING. His timing is so AWESOME. The timing, the cadence has as much to do with Okerlund cracking as the content. It was slow enough that he could see it coming and was fast enough that it still hit him full force. I'm sure Verne didn't write that script for Schultz. He just came up with it.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Dec 6, 2017 16:07:00 GMT -5
What is this the city dump?
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Post by johnnyk9 on Dec 8, 2017 10:44:18 GMT -5
Because John Stossel is a cry baby
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Post by brody on Dec 10, 2017 9:22:11 GMT -5
99% sure Schultz did not go back to the AWA after his WWF run. I would assume Verne was still bitter over the way Schultz left him, then headlined in Minneapolis a short time later for the WWF.
Schultz went to New Japan a bit after Mania and "slapped" a reporter as a publicity stunt.
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