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Post by Kevin Dunn on Dec 13, 2017 23:00:29 GMT -5
Owen hart winning the title from Bret at a live event
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Dec 14, 2017 0:04:56 GMT -5
The one that really bothers me is Bobo Brazil's NWA World Title reign not being acknowledged as that's pretty historic. One that I was in person for was the night before Badd Blood, Los Boricuas pinned The Headbangers to win the tag team title, but another ref ran down and they "Restarted" the match, which the 'Bangers won. Is Savio Vega the only person to "win-but-not-win" two major titles? Two? Did he "win" the wwf championship too? Gosh I'm marking out if he did.
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Post by hbkid718 on Dec 14, 2017 0:58:33 GMT -5
I saw D-Generation X (Triple H & Shawn Michaels) defeat The Legion of Doom for the WWE Tag Team Titles in Nassau Coliseum in 1997. But since LOD used a chair while the ref was distracted, he reversed the decision, and gave the win to DX by Disqualification.
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chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Dec 14, 2017 1:53:36 GMT -5
The one that really bothers me is Bobo Brazil's NWA World Title reign not being acknowledged as that's pretty historic. One that I was in person for was the night before Badd Blood, Los Boricuas pinned The Headbangers to win the tag team title, but another ref ran down and they "Restarted" the match, which the 'Bangers won. Is Savio Vega the only person to "win-but-not-win" two major titles? Two? Did he "win" the wwf championship too? Gosh I'm marking out if he did. Intercontinental and tag team.
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Johnny Flamingo
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Dec 14, 2017 2:59:20 GMT -5
Was at a house show in Baton Rouge - Roddy Piper defeated Ric Flair in a cage match. After the match Piper posed on the top of the cage with the belt and the ring announcer even did the "The winner of this match......and NEW WWF world heavyweight champion" bit.
Its now listed as a non-title match and was never mentioned or acknowledged on TV.
This was pretty common back then though.
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Post by wildcat605 on Dec 14, 2017 4:00:20 GMT -5
X-Pac tweeted that he attended a show in Florida on Oct. 30, 1984 where Jay Youngblood beat Ric Flair for the NWA world title. Everyone left thinking they’d seen a title change but it was never acknowledged after that. Not to you, but I don’t buy this at all. This would have gotten out. I’ll ask either Barry Rose, Jeff Bowdren, Howard Baum or Pete Lederberg, four prominent Florida historians , about this.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Dec 14, 2017 4:17:03 GMT -5
X-Pac tweeted that he attended a show in Florida on Oct. 30, 1984 where Jay Youngblood beat Ric Flair for the NWA world title. Everyone left thinking they’d seen a title change but it was never acknowledged after that. Not to you, but I don’t buy this at all. This would have gotten out. I’ll ask either Barry Rose, Jeff Bowdren, Howard Baum or Pete Lederberg, four prominent Florida historians , about this. X-Pac is a very prolific poster on twitter, so I won’t be trying to find the post for anyone. I don’t have the time or the patience for that. Haha. I can tell you that he quoted a pic of the poster for the event and he commented on being there and seeing the match and the title change in person. I know I have the date correct, so you’ll have the right information to ask about. I’m not surprised it’s not well known. Coverage of house shows wasn’t what it is now compared to 1984.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Dec 14, 2017 6:15:50 GMT -5
Didn't Bob Holly win the IC Title at some point in the 90s, only to have the decision be reversed?
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Post by ronnie2hotty on Dec 14, 2017 9:22:53 GMT -5
This isn't a title match, but I was at a WWE house show in Canton, Ohio, in late either late December 2007 or early January 2008 where the match between Jimmy Wang Yang and Shannon Moore vs. The Miz and John Morrison was billed as a Royal Rumble qualifying match. Moore and Yang won. Neither man competed in the Royal Rumble that year.
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El Pollo Guerrera
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Dec 14, 2017 9:37:55 GMT -5
No one's mentioned Hogan winning the AWA Heavyweight Title from Bockwinkel yet...
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 14, 2017 10:20:28 GMT -5
So a lot of these are Dusty finishes which I think is different than what the OP was talking about. On topic would the Flair/Race/Flair switches in Australia and New Zealand count? I don't know if they are currently recognized.
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Post by TGM on Dec 14, 2017 11:18:39 GMT -5
Chris Benoit winning the WWF title from The Rock at Fully Loaded. There were some kind of shenanigans where Shane hit the referee with a chair, causing Benoit to win the title via DQ until Mick Foley reversed the decision.
I think something similar happened at Unforgiven with Benoit pinning Undertaker who has his foot on the rope, once again announcing Benoit as champion until Foley again reversed the decision.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 14, 2017 12:54:22 GMT -5
Didn't Bob Holly win the IC Title at some point in the 90s, only to have the decision be reversed? Yeah, and this is particularly interesting because: 1- as Sparkplug Holly, he had a Dusty Finish against Jeff Jarrett in 1995. Not EXACTLY the same as written out of history, but it was reversed. What made it interesting: Cut to 1999-2000 when Hardcore Holly was fighting Chyna and Jericho for the IC title, and suddenly for no apparent reason WWE started to recognize the title reign as if it happened and Holly was a former Intercontinental Champion.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 14, 2017 13:05:58 GMT -5
RVD had a restarted match against Undertaker once because Undertaker tried to use the belt and got a Vandaminator for his trouble. Which is a bullshit finish because that's the ONLY time that's ever happened with a Vandaminator, even if the referee is looking right at it.
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Post by Ron Woodsman aka Shempaholic on Dec 14, 2017 13:51:21 GMT -5
Andre selling the “world world tag team championship to Mr. DiBiase”. DiBiase wore the belt and was even recognized as champion at a few house shows.
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Post by Ron Woodsman aka Shempaholic on Dec 14, 2017 15:23:34 GMT -5
The Rockers beat the Hart Foundation for the tag titles in 1990, but the change was never mentioned on air. This was the match where the top rope broke. I remember reading that it was kind of sort acknowledged on TV. It was either acknowledged either on TV only in the market where the match took place (Indianapolis) where WWE said that since the top rope broke, the title change was erased or since tv tapings took place weeks or sometimes months in advance, it was announced on commentary but later on WWE said that since the top rope broke, the title change was erased. I wasn't a fan back then. Pro Wrestling Illustrated magazine went to press right after the title change and reported it as having happened. They said that Jim Neidhart was so disillusioned by the loss that the Hart Foundation was breaking up and he was leaving the WWF. In the next month's issue they explained that due to the rope breaking Jack Tunney had reversed the decision and the titles had been returned to the Hart Foundation. Of course we know now that Neidhart was in fact going to leave which is why they were going to go with the Rockers as champs. He later came to an agreement with the WWF to stay so they ignored the title change, using the top-rope excuse where needed.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 14, 2017 16:13:11 GMT -5
Andre selling the “world world tag team championship to Mr. DiBiase”. DiBiase wore the belt and was even recognized as champion at a few house shows. He was but he’s not recognized as champion. It was erased from history.
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Post by Ron Woodsman aka Shempaholic on Dec 14, 2017 16:32:20 GMT -5
DiBiase wore the belt and was even recognized as champion at a few house shows. He was but he’s not recognized as champion. It was erased from history. Yes that’s true. I wasn’t disagreeing with you at all. I just think it’s interesting that for a few days DiBiase wore the belt and was announced as being champion, and I wanted to post that picture of him wearing the belt. It’s almost like something out of an alternate timeline.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Dec 15, 2017 4:42:55 GMT -5
I wonder if it would do any harm if they added Diabise offically to the list? It would have been nice to do fro him at his HOF induction.
Also, in cases in the 80s and 90s for stuff like Warrior winning the IC title of Rude at house shows, how does it kayfabe wise, make sense to the fans who were at the show and yet never recognised anywhere?
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 15, 2017 11:27:00 GMT -5
I wonder if it would do any harm if they added Diabise offically to the list? It would have been nice to do fro him at his HOF induction. Also, in cases in the 80s and 90s for stuff like Warrior winning the IC title of Rude at house shows, how does it kayfabe wise, make sense to the fans who were at the show and yet never recognised anywhere? Most of my friends just assumed Warrior lost the title at another house show.
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