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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 15, 2017 13:18:59 GMT -5
Benoit winning the belt from the rock but Foley reversing the decision because Shane intervened.
Don't know if it was already mentioned but Dusty as the midnight rider won the belt but wasn't recognized because he wouldn't take off the mask.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Dec 15, 2017 13:35:39 GMT -5
Honestly, a lot of guys "won and lost" the NWA World Heavyweight Championship to and from Flair but they're unrecognized by some.
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Post by cjh on Dec 15, 2017 13:43:57 GMT -5
Generally, if the guy or team who lost is given back the title without having to win it in a match, the loss doesn't count. The only exception that comes to mind is Diesel and Shawn Michaels winning the tag team title in Sept. 1995. They had to give it back to Owen Hart and Yokozuna, but WWE still counts them as champions.
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Post by lws on Dec 15, 2017 15:35:11 GMT -5
People always say "a lot of guys" had phantom wins/losses over Flair, and that's true, but how many were there, really?
Harley Race, Dusty Rhodes (as himself and Midnight Rider), Victor Jovica, Jack Veneno, Carlos Colón, and maybe Jay Youngblood, but I'm not so sure about that last one. I mean, I know six is a lot considering no one else has this sorta thing happening to their title reigns, but its not like it's some astronomical amount that no one could possibly name all by themselves. Even if I'm missing a few, like, it's not that many dudes. Unless there's like two dozen I don't know about, which I guess is my actual question here.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 15, 2017 15:57:58 GMT -5
Ambrose pinning Rollins for the WWE title at Elimination Chamber 2015. The fall was counted, Ambrose got the title but the decision was stricken out and ruled a DQ win for Ambrose as Rollins had pulled the referee in front of himself.
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Post by burdette25159 on Dec 15, 2017 18:32:46 GMT -5
I'm shocked it hasn't been mentioned yet. The pre-Shane Douglas throws away the NWA world title history of the ECW championship IS NOT MENTIONED BY THE WWE, that means WWE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE TITLE HOLDERS FROM APRIL 1992 (when Jimmy Snuka won the ECW title) TO AUGUST 1994 (When Shane Douglas threw the NWA belt down)
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Dec 16, 2017 5:17:30 GMT -5
Ambrose pinning Rollins for the WWE title at Elimination Chamber 2015. The fall was counted, Ambrose got the title but the decision was stricken out and ruled a DQ win for Ambrose as Rollins had pulled the referee in front of himself. Mentioned also on page 2 with the DX/LOD match.. But this is one the stupidest things in the business. The referee goes yeah you must be punished, but you get to keep your title.. I hope you learned your lesson... f***ing stupid. Stop using these Wrestling Promotions!
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Post by CMPunkyBrewster on Dec 16, 2017 10:48:10 GMT -5
I'm shocked it hasn't been mentioned yet. The pre-Shane Douglas throws away the NWA world title history of the ECW championship IS NOT MENTIONED BY THE WWE, that means WWE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE TITLE HOLDERS FROM APRIL 1992 (when Jimmy Snuka won the ECW title) TO AUGUST 1994 (When Shane Douglas threw the NWA belt down) That is most likely because those reigns were part of EASTERN Championship Wrestling and not EXTREME Championship Wrestling. When the Shane Douglas incident happened, Tod Gordon folded NWA: Eastern Championship Wrestling and established Extreme Championship Wrestling in it's place, and recognized Shane Douglas as their inaugural champion. They are completely different companies, thus recognized as different titles.
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Post by cjh on Dec 16, 2017 10:59:21 GMT -5
I'm shocked it hasn't been mentioned yet. The pre-Shane Douglas throws away the NWA world title history of the ECW championship IS NOT MENTIONED BY THE WWE, that means WWE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE TITLE HOLDERS FROM APRIL 1992 (when Jimmy Snuka won the ECW title) TO AUGUST 1994 (When Shane Douglas threw the NWA belt down) That is most likely because those reigns were part of EASTERN Championship Wrestling and not EXTREME Championship Wrestling. When the Shane Douglas incident happened, Tod Gordon folded NWA: Eastern Championship Wrestling and established Extreme Championship Wrestling in it's place, and recognized Shane Douglas as their inaugural champion. They are completely different companies, thus recognized as different titles. WWE counts the Eastern era for the ECW TV and Tag Team titles, though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 11:40:04 GMT -5
More than we will ever know.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 16, 2017 12:28:52 GMT -5
That is most likely because those reigns were part of EASTERN Championship Wrestling and not EXTREME Championship Wrestling. When the Shane Douglas incident happened, Tod Gordon folded NWA: Eastern Championship Wrestling and established Extreme Championship Wrestling in it's place, and recognized Shane Douglas as their inaugural champion. They are completely different companies, thus recognized as different titles. WWE counts the Eastern era for the ECW TV and Tag Team titles, though. Does WWE own the Eastern CW footage? Or just the ECW stuff,outside of the fancams that RF owns the rights to.
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Post by cjh on Dec 16, 2017 16:28:54 GMT -5
WWE counts the Eastern era for the ECW TV and Tag Team titles, though. Does WWE own the Eastern CW footage? Or just the ECW stuff,outside of the fancams that RF owns the rights to. Yes, WWE owns the Eastern footage. The 1993-94 TV shows are on WWE Network. WWE might have the Fan Cams, too. It would depend on if RF gave copies to ECW.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 16, 2017 17:03:51 GMT -5
Does WWE own the Eastern CW footage? Or just the ECW stuff,outside of the fancams that RF owns the rights to. Yes, WWE owns the Eastern footage. The 1993-94 TV shows are on WWE Network. WWE might have the Fan Cams, too. It would depend on if RF gave copies to ECW. The thing with the ECW fancams is RF got a contract on them that gives him the rights to sell them as long as RF video exists. So while the WWE might show the footage AFAIK Rob owns it.
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Post by cjh on Dec 16, 2017 17:13:26 GMT -5
Yes, WWE owns the Eastern footage. The 1993-94 TV shows are on WWE Network. WWE might have the Fan Cams, too. It would depend on if RF gave copies to ECW. The thing with the ECW fancams is RF got a contract on them that gives him the rights to sell them as long as RF video exists. So while the WWE might show the footage AFAIK Rob owns it. It's not just the Fan Cams, either. RF sell dubs of his personal copies, taped from TV, of the ECW PPVs, Hardcore TV, and the TNN show, as well as dubs of the shows ECW sold on VHS at their events and through the mail. WWE has ECW's masters of that stuff, though. Funnily enough, WWE might have used RF as the source for some of their 1993-94 Hardcore TV episodes on WWE Network. Quite a few episodes from the start in April 1993 until November 1994 are from someone's personal copies that they taped with a VCR.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 18:17:28 GMT -5
Looking at fellow poster brody's thread on 80s wrestling expansion, Georgia wrestling has the Road Warriors losing the National tag titles at house shows for 2 months before they finally said, "Okay folks, they really lost the titles this time."
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Post by Woo on Dec 17, 2017 7:44:35 GMT -5
Why not just recognise Inoki's win? Guy is a legend and HOFamer. It will add even more prestige to the belt.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Dec 17, 2017 13:31:28 GMT -5
Joke about Mania 20 in 5...4...3...2... That one kills interest.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 19, 2017 11:26:55 GMT -5
I'm shocked it hasn't been mentioned yet. The pre-Shane Douglas throws away the NWA world title history of the ECW championship IS NOT MENTIONED BY THE WWE, that means WWE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE TITLE HOLDERS FROM APRIL 1992 (when Jimmy Snuka won the ECW title) TO AUGUST 1994 (When Shane Douglas threw the NWA belt down) That is most likely because those reigns were part of EASTERN Championship Wrestling and not EXTREME Championship Wrestling. When the Shane Douglas incident happened, Tod Gordon folded NWA: Eastern Championship Wrestling and established Extreme Championship Wrestling in it's place, and recognized Shane Douglas as their inaugural champion. They are completely different companies, thus recognized as different titles. I just think they didn't want to give Johnny Hotbody his due!
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