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Post by romanstylesiii on Dec 19, 2017 13:43:17 GMT -5
In the nXt era, 10 people over the age of 45 have competed in a marquee match.
20 people have competed being over the age of 40.
During the Attitude era, the top guys (Austin, Rock, Triple H, Angle) were all under 35, with a few of them still being in their 20's.
While guys like Kane are very impressive with regards to their career as a whole, people are just not going to relate to 50 year olds. Which is what the company is built around right now.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 19, 2017 13:46:09 GMT -5
WWE has a whole streak of almost a decade where talents just bombed due to piss-poor training, flavour of the month pushes that died in weeks, and Cena-centric booking that left the roster without credible stars up and down the card, so that now the parts of the roster that aren't vaguely fresh faces (the Shield guys are still somewhat TV-young) are a couple scattered remnants from that dead era in Kofi and Dolph, and then the still unretired Attitude Era guys who the company treats like gods.
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Post by Steveweiser on Dec 19, 2017 13:50:48 GMT -5
There's only a handful of men on the main roster under 30. Until the recent callups, the youngest woman was 25 - most of the newbies are 24, with Liv Morgan at 23. WWE sure likes the guys experienced (other than Braun who started older than you think).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 13:53:34 GMT -5
Vince Carter is the oldest active NBA player at 40. The WWE should try and maintain athletic integrity by phasing out the old guys
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 19, 2017 13:57:52 GMT -5
Vince Carter is the oldest active NBA player at 40. The WWE should try and maintain athletic integrity by phasing out the old guys A basketball player and a wrestler hit their peak at completely different ages, and due to the nature of what pro wrestling is, if your body isn't totally wrecked you can still maintain a level of performance into your 40s just fine if you adapt your style and change things up. WWE's biggest problem with age isn't hard numbers, it's the massive problems in booking veterans as gods and letting people who are long past stale remain unchanged in major spots. Guys like Kane have offered little and changed up nothing over the years, and the cycle of refreshing the talent pool has taken way longer than it used to.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 19, 2017 14:00:39 GMT -5
Vince Carter is the oldest active NBA player at 40. The WWE should try and maintain athletic integrity by phasing out the old guys Exactly, whenever they'd bring back a legend and have them compete with the current roster, people would say it's because the fans loved the guy when they were young. My argument was always: "I loved Michael Jordan, doesn't mean he should start for the Bulls".
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 19, 2017 14:00:40 GMT -5
Which is so weird if you grew up watching WWF in the 80s or 90s, when a guy like Backlund seemed 1,000.
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Post by golding on Dec 19, 2017 14:01:05 GMT -5
Isn't it strange how the group of headlining talent today is ten years older than the group of headlining talent from ten years ago?
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Post by Perd on Dec 19, 2017 14:02:33 GMT -5
There should be a feud over who has the cutest grandkids.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 19, 2017 14:08:10 GMT -5
Vince Carter is the oldest active NBA player at 40. The WWE should try and maintain athletic integrity by phasing out the old guys Eh. Nah. This isn't hockey, where you're washed up and done the minute you turn 30.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 19, 2017 14:08:22 GMT -5
Vince Carter is the oldest active NBA player at 40. The WWE should try and maintain athletic integrity by phasing out the old guys Exactly, whenever they'd bring back a legend and have them compete with the current roster, people would say it's because the fans loved the guy when they were young. My argument was always: "I loved Michael Jordan, doesn't mean he should start for the Bulls". If Jordan was the best player in the league at 40, he'd be starting for the Bulls.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 19, 2017 14:11:10 GMT -5
Exactly, whenever they'd bring back a legend and have them compete with the current roster, people would say it's because the fans loved the guy when they were young. My argument was always: "I loved Michael Jordan, doesn't mean he should start for the Bulls". If Jordan was the best player in the league at 40, he'd be starting for the Bulls. The problem is they push them past those points. Brock, Goldberg, Taker, Kane, Show etc. They still take the big spots long after they merit them.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 19, 2017 14:21:00 GMT -5
If Jordan was the best player in the league at 40, he'd be starting for the Bulls. The problem is they push them past those points. Brock, Goldberg, Taker, Kane, Show etc. They still take the big spots long after they merit them. I would argue the problem is they piss away most of the people who are younger with a combination of too much programming, 50/50 booking, and having to mold everyone into the "WWE Style". The problem you mention, to me, is more of a symptom.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 19, 2017 14:21:48 GMT -5
If Jordan was the best player in the league at 40, he'd be starting for the Bulls. The problem is they push them past those points. Brock, Goldberg, Taker, Kane, Show etc. They still take the big spots long after they merit them. At least Show put Braun over huge.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 19, 2017 14:30:02 GMT -5
The problem is they push them past those points. Brock, Goldberg, Taker, Kane, Show etc. They still take the big spots long after they merit them. I would argue the problem is they piss away most of the people who are younger with a combination of too much programming, 50/50 booking, and having to mold everyone into the "WWE Style". The problem you mention, to me, is more of a symptom. Partly. Apart from Kane and Big Show, the others are presented as God Tier talent who none of the current roster can hang with unless you're Roman Reigns. If Goldberg came back and had competitive matches, if Brock put in effort to put people over it'd help a lot. Long term there are those other problems but the elevation of these old guys at the expense of younger talent is also a core problem. Hell, it's extended to Shane. In the Attitude era, he was out of his depth, fluked a European title win, these days he's a daredevil legend it's an honour to face.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Dec 19, 2017 15:07:29 GMT -5
If Jordan was the best player in the league at 40, he'd be starting for the Bulls. The problem is they push them past those points. Brock, Goldberg, Taker, Kane, Show etc. They still take the big spots long after they merit them. But that's not really on the performers, that's on the backwards-ass booking that sees anyone who collected a paycheck before 2004 being seen as inherently better because they had their overness secured before they forgot how to make stars, becoming the fallback crutches they think they need to sell shows with. There has always and will always be a place for veterans in pro wrestling, that place just isn't the top spots.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Dec 19, 2017 15:36:34 GMT -5
If this roster is older than the one in the late 80s/early 90s, they must age a lot better when not saturated with cocaine.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 19, 2017 15:38:04 GMT -5
Ok, take out all part timers, and give me you top 4 Wrestlemania matches for this year?
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 19, 2017 16:10:35 GMT -5
Ok, take out all part timers, and give me you top 4 Wrestlemania matches for this year? Raw: Shield Triple Threat Braun v Samoa Joe Smackdown: AJ v Shinsuke KO/Sami v The New Day That's like, 10 second thought. You could put The Shield into other programs, throw The Miz in somewhere.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 19, 2017 16:20:57 GMT -5
Ok, take out all part timers, and give me you top 4 Wrestlemania matches for this year? Raw: Shield Triple Threat Braun v Samoa Joe Smackdown: AJ v Shinsuke KO/Sami v The New Day That's like, 10 second thought. You could put The Shield into other programs, throw The Miz in somewhere. Ok, so more Reigns vs Rollins or Ambrose vs Rollins, except they're all in a match together, a Joe/Braun match which we saw part of earlier in a Triple Threat, a really good AJ/Shinsuke match, and a comedy Tag Match that was just done on Smackdown are the Main Events of mania. I'm not ragging on your choices, just their booking, which have left so little desirable matchups that haven't been done to death.
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