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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 25, 2017 18:45:31 GMT -5
I think vs Andre was when they did Hogan right. Andre had a logical gripe, and Hogan had a believable reaction and motivation, too. Andre felt slighted by WWF and Hogan, and took it all out on him with Heenan as the Iago in his ear. Hogan rightfully pointed out Andre never requested a title shot, and that Hogan thought of him as on a whole other level above the title. I've called it one of the best executed angles in WWE history before, and with good reason. Everyone played their part, and pretty masterfully compensated for Andre's weaknesses at this point in his career, and made Hogan sympathetic while still full of drive. Sid is probably where they got it the worst, with Hogan just being a sore loser. At least with Savage, you could chalk it up to misplaced priorities or something, but there's no real spinning Sid's as anything but beginning with Hogan's tantrum. Look at it this way. You're the champion of the company. This guy comes in and you give him part of the spotlight at the end of Summerslam and basically try to take him under your wing. He gets injured and is gone for a few months. While he's gone you get screwed out of your title, twice, and have to win it back in a battle royal. All of a sudden this guy who you take under your wing grabs you from behind, tosses you out and then taunts you ontop of it instead of taking the high road and just explaining himself. He also took the cheap way out instead of facing you man to man. You'd probably be mad enough to grab his arm too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2017 19:40:57 GMT -5
Wasn't even fresh then. Eddie Ellner spent the entirety of his Apter mag career calling Hogan out for his crap. Yeah, but Austin and Rock weren't telling the little kiddos to say their prayers and take their vitamins in-between rampages. Is that actually worse, though? I'd say not. Rocky and Austin weren't professing to be one thing then doing another. They were faces because fans cheered their actions and we're always honest about who they were etc.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Dec 26, 2017 3:23:54 GMT -5
Well in 95 he was also exposed as a killer by throwing The Giant from the roof and as an egomaniac when he defeated 72 guys by himself while Macho Man got his ass kicked during the uncensored main event.
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Post by dav on Dec 26, 2017 7:19:07 GMT -5
He was a fairly crappy friend to Orndorff and kept brushing him off. Of course, there's his WCW tantrum when Savage won that battle royal. The illegal fist-helmet weapon period. This post reminded me out Tugboat campaigning for Hogan to comeback for months, just for Hogan to eliminate him at the Rumble To be fair, Tugboat attacked him from behind to try and eliminate him first.
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Post by abjordans on Dec 26, 2017 11:01:11 GMT -5
Hogan would be a great character for someone who isn't a sleazeball to do a Wrestling Isn't Wrestling on, he is a very complex character, flawed from day one.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 26, 2017 11:09:24 GMT -5
Hogan's gotta pose pal.
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Post by Aceorton on Dec 26, 2017 11:24:37 GMT -5
It was pretty stupid to show up to a legal contract signing in his trunks while Andre was in fornalwear, like everyone else, though. He did the same with Warrior. A lot of people don't know this, but that was the only clothing Hogan owned.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Dec 26, 2017 11:32:40 GMT -5
Hot-dogging and Grand-standing, yeah!
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Dec 26, 2017 11:32:48 GMT -5
People say this quite often, but many people were worse faces than Hogan. Hogan at least most of the time, even when acting heelish in the ring, fought for what was right. Austin and Rock, for example... their characters were absolutely enormous douchebags and didn't fight for anything good or right; they were arrogant, sadistic, selfish and abrasive, they simply fought a bigger evil than themselves, and sometimes not even that. I don't think that's true, look at Austin saving Steph or The Rock helping Eugene. They didn't have anything to gain from a character perspective but they did it anyway because it was the right thing to do.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Dec 26, 2017 11:33:36 GMT -5
Hot-dogging and Grand-standing, yeah! Well when the boss says it has to happen...yes.
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Post by dirtyoldman on Dec 27, 2017 9:39:08 GMT -5
Regarding the rumble elimination, sid did get involved in someone else's fight and did attack hogan in the back. And then got a bit mouthy afterwards. So hogan had a little bit to be annoyed even though all was within the rules.
Why did hogan and tugboat had a falling out at the previous rumble, did tugboat start it or hogan?
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Dec 27, 2017 10:03:45 GMT -5
Compared to Austin(stunned women, alcoholic) and Rock(bullied everyone), he's Judge "Freakin" Reinhold!
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 27, 2017 15:57:56 GMT -5
People say this quite often, but many people were worse faces than Hogan. Hogan at least most of the time, even when acting heelish in the ring, fought for what was right. Austin and Rock, for example... their characters were absolutely enormous douchebags and didn't fight for anything good or right; they were arrogant, sadistic, selfish and abrasive, they simply fought a bigger evil than themselves, and sometimes not even that. Austin and Rock was largely due to the grittier late 90s trend. There weren't many traditional good guys in that time. Though like G.B. above said, they did still have some genuinely heroic moments.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 27, 2017 16:08:55 GMT -5
For me, the contract signing is the highlight, minus like the faceoff to begin the match. It is awesome. The Piper mark in me just loves his small role in selling the shock "You're bleeding" And this was the moment when Piper really became an ally of Hogan's. They were in tag team matches when Piper turned, sure, but in those they would always sell the tension between Hogan and Piper stemming from their rivalry. Piper would usually leave the ring for Hogan's post-match posing celebrations.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 27, 2017 16:12:06 GMT -5
Regarding the mentions of The Rock, I can totally see it, especially his interactions with Mankind in 1999. I know it was meant to lead to another feud between the two, but if you consider Foley was going to turn heel...yeah, it was another Hogan ex-friend issue where the heel believes he was in the right, and in some ways you can't argue.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 27, 2017 16:21:00 GMT -5
But let's get back to Hogan...
The Savage thing...I know it was meant to be him taking things out of proportion about Liz, but if you watch only the pre-Mania V Savage interviews on the history of the Megapowers, it's not impossible to take his side. Then you got there being like only one world title win of his that Hogan didn't glom on or sabotage by challenging him shortly after and winning.
Letting what the Giant and Kevin Sullivan did to him turn his back on being a positive figure, one that wore black, accused all his friends but Randy Savage ironically of being traitors, and even invoked another famous person on trial for murder at the time.
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Post by segaz on Dec 27, 2017 19:02:54 GMT -5
Some really great posts in here. I think vs Andre was when they did Hogan right. Andre had a logical gripe, and Hogan had a believable reaction and motivation, too. Andre felt slighted by WWF and Hogan, and took it all out on him with Heenan as the Iago in his ear. Hogan rightfully pointed out Andre never requested a title shot, and that Hogan thought of him as on a whole other level above the title. I've called it one of the best executed angles in WWE history before, and with good reason. Everyone played their part, and pretty masterfully compensated for Andre's weaknesses at this point in his career, and made Hogan sympathetic while still full of drive. Sid is probably where they got it the worst, with Hogan just being a sore loser. At least with Savage, you could chalk it up to misplaced priorities or something, but there's no real spinning Sid's as anything but beginning with Hogan's tantrum. I want to watch this now. I've never seen the interview and contract signing
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 27, 2017 19:05:40 GMT -5
Funny or Die needs to be petitioned to start a Hulk Hogan is Trash series of videos, NOW.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 27, 2017 19:26:52 GMT -5
Some really great posts in here. I think vs Andre was when they did Hogan right. Andre had a logical gripe, and Hogan had a believable reaction and motivation, too. Andre felt slighted by WWF and Hogan, and took it all out on him with Heenan as the Iago in his ear. Hogan rightfully pointed out Andre never requested a title shot, and that Hogan thought of him as on a whole other level above the title. I've called it one of the best executed angles in WWE history before, and with good reason. Everyone played their part, and pretty masterfully compensated for Andre's weaknesses at this point in his career, and made Hogan sympathetic while still full of drive. Sid is probably where they got it the worst, with Hogan just being a sore loser. At least with Savage, you could chalk it up to misplaced priorities or something, but there's no real spinning Sid's as anything but beginning with Hogan's tantrum. I want to watch this now. I've never seen the interview and contract signing www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKu13G91AlU The initial turn. This one's on WWE's channel, so can be embedded. I love the main three performers in this (Tunney's Tunney, don't expect much). Hogan sells being hurt and betrayed. Heenan's just so disrespectful and perfect as the asshole manager, and Andre just seems on a level past Hogan's ability to move. No guilt, no anger, just immovable.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Dec 27, 2017 20:12:25 GMT -5
Some really great posts in here. I want to watch this now. I've never seen the interview and contract signing www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKu13G91AlU The initial turn. This one's on WWE's channel, so can be embedded. I love the main three performers in this (Tunney's Tunney, don't expect much). Hogan sells being hurt and betrayed. Heenan's just so disrespectful and perfect as the asshole manager, and Andre just seems on a level past Hogan's ability to move. No guilt, no anger, just immovable. Dammit, I can't even look at the clip without thinking of JDogindy's post about how silly Hogan looks, being the only one not dressed up.
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