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Post by nisidhe on Dec 30, 2017 10:07:45 GMT -5
A guy that supposedly changed the WWE with a "pipebomb" but when I think about it I can't name a single thing that it changed. He's kinda like Del Rio. He came, did his thing, won titles, did a good job... but really didn't leave a mark in history. I'd argue the only thing that really changed is random CM Punk chants in a couple select cities. The "pipebomb" promo serves a number of functions - first, it gave a sense of urgency to the match with Cena at Money in the Bank and raised the stakes to epic levels. Imagine the idea of WWE losing control of its top title, even in the era of the brand split; sure it wasn't _really_ going to happen, but much like the Universal title a few years later, it creates a gap in the title's lineage that diminishes its integrity. Second, it exposed that WWE, despite being a publicly-traded company on paper, will likely always have a McMahon or their descendents on the board of directors and in the chairman's position, and would always manipulate things so that they stay there, and so what you see will always be because of their say-so. Third, in mentioning other promotions, and the talents that work them, he served notice to WWE that there are other means for wrestlers to earn a living at their craft, and other promotions willing to benefit from WWE's mistakes. |
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Post by Fade on Dec 30, 2017 10:49:09 GMT -5
His reputation, Wrestling-Wise, will be someone who bucked the system. A rebellious spirit. Even after getting his ass handed him to him in a legitimate sport, people in wrestling crowds will chant his name that have basically become a "f*** You" to the company.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 30, 2017 11:42:31 GMT -5
I thought his legacy was being ridiculously up-front about his dislike for fan interactions. His stance on fan interactions has always been clear: "If I'm not busy and you're respectful, I'm cool with you. If I'm very trying to go about my day, and you're getting in my face, f*** off." Most guys do tend to be less acerbic and try to please everybody, no matter how much it pisses then off privately, but Punk's simply not wired that way. Also, there's a ton of stories about Punk being super chill with his fans, but they're not as eye-catching or memorable as the stories where he chews out some jackass who yanked out his earbuds just so Punk could sign a pile of merch. I think the whole "Punk is a jerk to fans" thing has been comically mythologized. the guy was just upfront about bad interactions he had with fans and it got spun into something ridiculous. |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Dec 30, 2017 11:47:12 GMT -5
I thought his legacy was being ridiculously up-front about his dislike for fan interactions. His stance on fan interactions has always been clear: "If I'm not busy and you're respectful, I'm cool with you. If I'm very trying to go about my day, and you're getting in my face, f*** off." Most guys do tend to be less acerbic and try to please everybody, no matter how much it pisses then off privately, but Punk's simply not wired that way. Also, there's a ton of stories about Punk being super chill with his fans, but they're not as eye-catching or memorable as the stories where he chews out some jackass who yanked out his earbuds just so Punk could sign a pile of merch. "and also please stop putting candy through my front door, especially when I catch you doing it and specifically tell you to stop putting candy through my front door" (actually happened) |
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Post by Ringmaster on Dec 30, 2017 13:15:55 GMT -5
So if I forget everything else about CM Punk, Then yes his legacy by default would be a disgruntled employee.
Likewise, if you don't count his feuds, wrestling or promos, Ric Flair's legacy will be that of a drunken old man who falls a lot.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 30, 2017 13:31:20 GMT -5
An over-rated workrate guy with a decent promo but an attitude shittier than the Ultimate Warrior.
Get's handed a main event spot not even all time greats like Roddy Piper got in that obscenely long title reign but complains he never headlined Wrestlemania, despite being the WWE champion at a Wrestlemania.
He's had a career most up and comers would give their left hand for.
In my opinion - never had an all time classic match either. Why are his matches with Daniel Bryan, Jericho and Undertaker sub-par?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 13:36:41 GMT -5
His legacy now might be horrid joke of an MMA fighter. As it should. |
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Post by Dub H on Dec 30, 2017 13:41:55 GMT -5
His legacy is pretty much estabilished as one of the greatest of all times that went against the company.
There willa lways be a few that will try to sell that his story is a whiny overated indy darling.
But for most and in history, he will be one of the goat , one that refused to be a corporate yes-guy.
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Post by Dub H on Dec 30, 2017 13:44:45 GMT -5
A guy that supposedly changed the WWE with a "pipebomb" but when I think about it I can't name a single thing that it changed. He's kinda like Del Rio. He came, did his thing, won titles, did a good job... but really didn't leave a mark in history. I'd argue the only thing that really changed is random CM Punk chants in a couple select cities. The mere fact of CM Punk leaving changed a whole WM and gave Bryan one of the biggest moment of ANY superstars. That alone is huge.Without being the first Indy Guy to make it reall big,one of the most marking promos of all time that people tried to copy over and over. You can probably make a list of marks he left in wrestling. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 30, 2017 13:58:58 GMT -5
His legacy will be to demonstrate how a company can systematically disillusion one of their biggest stars to the point where he wants to leave the wrestling business entirely.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 30, 2017 13:59:11 GMT -5
I might be bold in saying this but I genuinely feel this way about it;
75% of the present roster has Punk to thank for being there. The fact he was brought in and taken a chance with (especially since they had Omega and Bryan before but let them go quickly, in Bryan’s case) and got successful made people look deeper into intergrating experienced independent veterans into the roster rather than Home produced guys who mostly went nowhere (the fact that the only pre FCW guys left on the roster all came from that OVW 2002 class says a lot about that) is a huge shift in dynamic for them.
I’ll also say that the NXT model now is moulded over wanting to have those talents be a part of WWE and work their way to the main roster.
Like, there is no way Owens would have been touched if Punk wasn’t successful. He’d have gained his momentum in ROH that he lost from a failed TNA run, to be frank.
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Post by trollrogue on Dec 30, 2017 22:02:17 GMT -5
His lasting image reminds me of Bret's after the Montreal Screwjob ("You screwed Bret" in Canada = "C-M-Punk" in Chicago) which ain't a bad thing considering the last time Punk stepped in a competitive sports ring he got conquered quickly.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Dec 30, 2017 22:11:38 GMT -5
I might be bold in saying this but I genuinely feel this way about it; 75% of the present roster has Punk to thank for being there. The fact he was brought in and taken a chance with (especially since they had Omega and Bryan before but let them go quickly, in Bryan’s case) and got successful made people look deeper into intergrating experienced independent veterans into the roster rather than Home produced guys who mostly went nowhere (the fact that the only pre FCW guys left on the roster all came from that OVW 2002 class says a lot about that) is a huge shift in dynamic for I’ll also say that the NXT model now is moulded over wanting to have those talents be a part of WWE and work their way to the main roster. Like, there is no way Owens would have been touched if Punk wasn’t successful. He’d have gained his momentum in ROH that he lost from a failed TNA run, to be frank. I think most of NXT is molded more after how they treated ECW originally. but otherwise agree with most of your post. |
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 30, 2017 23:13:45 GMT -5
CM Punk changed the entire landscape of WWE, and I say that even as someone who personally never found his act all that entertaining. The WWE main event scene is filled with high profile indie wrestlers hewing closely to their established persona and putting on extended, workrate-heavy matches, and even the company-manufactured acts like Reigns try to work matches that pander to that style. We can complain all we want about talented guys playing second fiddle to Vince's masturbatory fantasies about Roman and Jinder, but pre-pipebomb, it felt like a huge achievement that a guy like Evan Bourne could get hired at all and occasionally win midcard titles instead of being pure enhancement talent. Now a guy like AJ Styles, a 40 year old hillbilly Evan Bourne, is "only" a multitime world champion with clean wins over Cena and the face of Smackdown. That's a trail that Punk blazed, even if he ironically ended up broken, bitter, and gone before he could personally benefit from the changing format as much as his successors. Ironically, Triple H (who’s just the other side of the asshole coin Punk is one) is the guy who looked at the success of Punk as well as Bryan, and decided to roll with it and sign more guys like him. Unlike Vince, who seems to have to be dragged kicking and screaming to do something other than what he wants, Hunter at least goes “I don’t get it, but f*** it these crowds like it so why not”. And there's an aspect of that which I don't feel people really understand. A lot of us seem to be of the mind that Punk can never/will never return to WWE with Hunter there, and I couldn't disagree more. As much as the two may personally dislike one another, I guarantee that if Punk ever knocked on their door and said "let's talk" HHH would be the first one in line to hand him a contract. |
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Post by Doctor No on Dec 30, 2017 23:44:09 GMT -5
He's the star that walked out on the "E".
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Post by -Lithium- on Dec 31, 2017 8:26:41 GMT -5
CM Punk changed the entire landscape of WWE, and I say that even as someone who personally never found his act all that entertaining. The WWE main event scene is filled with high profile indie wrestlers hewing closely to their established persona and putting on extended, workrate-heavy matches, and even the company-manufactured acts like Reigns try to work matches that pander to that style. We can complain all we want about talented guys playing second fiddle to Vince's masturbatory fantasies about Roman and Jinder, but pre-pipebomb, it felt like a huge achievement that a guy like Evan Bourne could get hired at all and occasionally win midcard titles instead of being pure enhancement talent. Now a guy like AJ Styles, a 40 year old hillbilly Evan Bourne, is "only" a multitime world champion with clean wins over Cena and the face of Smackdown. That's a trail that Punk blazed, even if he ironically ended up broken, bitter, and gone before he could personally benefit from the changing format as much as his successors. Exactly. Look at the list of WWE champions. The type of wrestlers who ended up winning the title after Punk did is way different to those prior. Punk broke down the door... |
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Dec 31, 2017 10:36:13 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I know nothing about real fighting sports, but I kind of admire CM Punk trying to have an MMA career. He got destroyed, but I like that he had the guts to try even though he was older and would face all kinds of scrutiny if he performed badly. I'm sure the payday was nice, too.  When CM Punk first entered the WWE, I wasn't a fan. I was ready to hate someone coming in with that much hype, but he won me over. Especially when he turned heel and was a holier than thou jerk about being straightedge. I thought that was a great character. He's got an attitude, that's for sure, but that's nothing compared to some of the other terrible behavior you hear about behind the scenes of pro-wrestling. I'm not saying that's an excuse for being an arrogant jerk, but having a big mouth is fairly light compared to stories about other wrestlers. |
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Post by Dub H on Dec 31, 2017 10:50:06 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I know nothing about real fighting sports, but I kind of admire CM Punk trying to have an MMA career. He got destroyed, but I like that he had the guts to try even though he was older and would face all kinds of scrutiny if he performed badly. I'm sure the payday was nice, too. When CM Punk first entered the WWE, I wasn't a fan. I was ready to hate someone coming in with that much hype, but he won me over. Especially when he turned heel and was a holier than thou jerk about being straightedge. I thought that was a great character. He's got an attitude, that's for sure, but that's nothing compared to some of the other terrible behavior you hear about behind the scenes of pro-wrestling. I'm not saying that's an excuse for being an arrogant jerk, but having a big mouth is fairly light compared to stories about other wrestlers. Yeh, I was never into Punk until he turned heel the first time. Afterwards he was all gold |
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Post by Squirrel Master on Dec 31, 2017 19:14:46 GMT -5
His stance on fan interactions has always been clear: "If I'm not busy and you're respectful, I'm cool with you. If I'm very trying to go about my day, and you're getting in my face, f*** off." Most guys do tend to be less acerbic and try to please everybody, no matter how much it pisses then off privately, but Punk's simply not wired that way. Also, there's a ton of stories about Punk being super chill with his fans, but they're not as eye-catching or memorable as the stories where he chews out some jackass who yanked out his earbuds just so Punk could sign a pile of merch. I think the whole "Punk is a jerk to fans" thing has been comically mythologized. the guy was just upfront about bad interactions he had with fans and it got spun into something ridiculous. I saw him strike a fan in the crowd once. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 31, 2017 20:32:33 GMT -5
I think the whole "Punk is a jerk to fans" thing has been comically mythologized. the guy was just upfront about bad interactions he had with fans and it got spun into something ridiculous. I saw him strike a fan in the crowd once. That's a completely different - and isolated - scenario altogether. He was in the middle of a crowd, tells people to stop pushing him twice, then gets smacked in the back of the head. Sure, he shouldn't have turned around swinging, but in the heat of the moment he felt like he needed to defend himself. It's not as if he's assaulting people who hassle him in the street. |
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