Former writer on others lasting 2-3 weeks in 2011

[Allie Kitsune]

I'm not making excuses for any of this, but at this point, there are enough stories out there about how much it sucks to be a writer for WWE that if you apply for that job nowadays, you should know what you're getting yourself in to.

[BrodietheSlayer]

I think the thing that gets missed is the main reasoning for why the system, as it relates to writers, is the way it is in the first place, and I would argue that there are Two People (well, mainly one, but the second would definitely be part of it) responsible for why writers are so replaceable....Vince Russo and Ed Ferrara. And no, this isn't a post bashing those two, but the fact is that when they split in late 99, I think it traumatized Vince McMahon more than he would ever let on, and slowly but surely, he and Stephanie (when she took over) changed the system to prevent another Vince Russo from rising in power. By making the writers totally expendable and replaceable, they basically created a very assembly line product, which is what we have now. It prevents any one writer from becoming invaluable to the company, and how the writers are treated by the office/talent definitely plays into that.

[4real]

New writer "So, erm, sir, what if, erm, Punk beats HHH! He...he's the hottest act in the company"

Vince "Kevin, release the Hounds"

[fw91]

Way to lead the welcoming committee Cena.

[Feargus McReddit]

Jan 1, 2018 23:33:27 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

I'm not making excuses for any of this, but at this point, there are enough stories out there about how much it sucks to be a writer for WWE that if you apply for that job nowadays, you should know what you're getting yourself in to.

Honestly, I don't think there are outside of these circles. I mean, I'm not saying most writers are in better positions but it's not like they're plucking writers who wrote for stuff like Arrow or The Big Bang Theory or places like that. I don't even think they're getting writers from cancelled shows or your average Netflix show and the like.

By all accounts, most of the writers who get hired are the people under the people who do things so it seems to me like they either are desperate for anything or have bad agents who don't hear the horror stories we have about working there.

Could be wrong but that's how it seems like for the most part.

[Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!!]

Jan 1, 2018 20:06:56 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Jan 1, 2018 18:30:22 GMT -5 britishbulldog said:

I understand Cena. I work at a car dealership, I don't bother learning new salesman names till they've been there a few months. Turn over is so high there's no point. I'm respectful to them but the turnover is a reality.

Sure but it's being openly not respectful that's the problem here. Don't mention the turnover to someone and basically shit all over the idea you're going to put any thought to them ever. Or hell, even dance around it and mention the turnover in a way that isn't basically a declaration of "Hi I don't care". If the guy who's the main star of the show you write for is going to be that shitty in introducing himself to you, that's not starting things off right at atll.

I'll put on my dusty old HR hat for this. corporate culture has a huge effect on the company's bottom line. an employee whose made to feel supported and valued will actually care about their contributions and do a better job. an employee who isn't made to feel valued, not so much. and that doesn't even get into what happens when you're dumb enough too actively tell your employees they don't matter and aren't valued. and as the face of the company, Cena should know better.

[xCompackx]

Jan 2, 2018 11:20:48 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Jan 1, 2018 23:33:27 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

I'm not making excuses for any of this, but at this point, there are enough stories out there about how much it sucks to be a writer for WWE that if you apply for that job nowadays, you should know what you're getting yourself in to.

Honestly, I don't think there are outside of these circles. I mean, I'm not saying most writers are in better positions but it's not like they're plucking writers who wrote for stuff like Arrow or The Big Bang Theory or places like that. I don't even think they're getting writers from cancelled shows or your average Netflix show and the like.

By all accounts, most of the writers who get hired are the people under the people who do things so it seems to me like they either are desperate for anything or have bad agents who don't hear the horror stories we have about working there.

Could be wrong but that's how it seems like for the most part.

Yeah, there has to be a very specific "level" of writer that WWE appeals to. The writers with credibility and reputations to where they don't have to take bullshit probably look down at a wrestling gig. Even someone like Freddie Prinze, Jr. apparently only did it because he was a fan.

[Feargus McReddit]

Jan 2, 2018 11:36:47 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Jan 2, 2018 11:20:48 GMT -5 Feargus McReddit said:

Honestly, I don't think there are outside of these circles. I mean, I'm not saying most writers are in better positions but it's not like they're plucking writers who wrote for stuff like Arrow or The Big Bang Theory or places like that. I don't even think they're getting writers from cancelled shows or your average Netflix show and the like.

By all accounts, most of the writers who get hired are the people under the people who do things so it seems to me like they either are desperate for anything or have bad agents who don't hear the horror stories we have about working there.

Could be wrong but that's how it seems like for the most part.

Yeah, there has to be a very specific "level" of writer that WWE appeals to. The writers with credibility and reputations to where they don't have to take bullshit probably look down at a wrestling gig. Even someone like Freddie Prinze, Jr. apparently only did it because he was a fan.

I mean, the "biggest name" writers they have on their books as far as we know is RD Evans and Dewey Foley, and the latter is an assistant. Not to undermine either of those guys (RD especially since he's a fantastic character wrestler) but those don't seem to be the type of people you expect to know their way around a high pressure writing team.

[héad.casé]

In the same podcast Tom mentioned that the writing is so inconsistent with the girls because the brand new writers that have just been hired are grouped off with the girls to brainstorm ideas, but when those writers have been there a while, they’ll be transferred to working with the men, and another brand new writer will work with the girls.

[segaz]

Jan 1, 2018 20:52:04 GMT -5 Bear Skin Rug said:

Jan 1, 2018 16:31:10 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

I think it’s a bit unfair to the writer that just because he didn’t bury the f*** out of the company in this interview that he should be disregarded as “Stockholm Syndrome”. Maybe he just didn’t have as many issues there as most would think.

There's a part where he talks about being "hazed" for his first year there then immediately pivots to say it was understandable and their world so he's not upset about it. Then he talks about Vince humiliating him on live TV and laughs about it being a great rib. Not to mention how he justifies the way Cena treated him.

Some people would rather protect and justify that behaviour and attitude and tell others to toughen up, it aint ballet. Earn your stripes, take your lumps, be a man and maybe someday you'll get some respect and the opportunity to treat other new stars the same way. If you can't hack it, then this aint for you and you can't expect the locker room tp change for you etc.


It's like they're going to war against zombies in the apocalypse or something.

When Piper tries to share stories of abuse and gets basically laughed at and then pulls it all back inside and says yeah it weren't so bad, i made a mistake, somethings extremely wrong with the culture of the business.



On another note, other wrestlers can't be immune from hearing this from Vince, it seems very unprofessional of him. People want to get excited and be positive together, and he'd rather have alpha males hating and backstabbing each other just to get a spot. I wonder if a scenario such as Hogan telling him to bury Savage ever occured, and Vince looked back at this man ready to destroy another mans career, character and marriage and respected him thinking "Shoot, that's a Man right there, he takes what he wants."

[SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids]

They aren't union, that's why.