Roman Reigns steroid allegations (update pg9)

[Allie Kitsune]

Feb 25, 2018 18:11:11 GMT -5 @kn said:

Update, just read this. Apparently this happened on WOR.

So basically Dave says these allegations seem legit. Specifically, "he's talking pretty convincing" "it's a lot more convincing than it was a couple weeks ago" are the exact words and the records should be released shortly.

However, the records will probably only go to 2016, so it might all be from before June 2016, which would mean its all from before his suspension. However, Reigns has said he doesn't know this guy, so that would potentially mean he is caught in a lie. John Bravo (the guy making these videos) also said that there are 15-20 WWE wrestlers getting stuff from him. One guy in particular (not Reigns) has been buying $150,000-$200,000 worth of stuff a year.

Edit: I edited in Dave's actual quotes on the first part to clarify exactly what he said with regards to thinking its legit.

Can someone clarify that Meltzer said this?

If legit, I'd expect the guy spending 150K+ to be HHH or Vince.

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Feb 25, 2018 18:30:53 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Feb 25, 2018 18:11:11 GMT -5 @kn said:

Update, just read this. Apparently this happened on WOR.

Can someone clarify that Meltzer said this?

If legit, I'd expect the guy spending 150K+ to be HHH or Vince.

Nah, that would be too huge a story to sit on. I suspect that number is grossly inflated and it’s a random guy.

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Feb 25, 2018 18:36:03 GMT -5 @akeemresurrection said:

Feb 25, 2018 18:30:53 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

If legit, I'd expect the guy spending 150K+ to be HHH or Vince.

Nah, that would be too huge a story to sit on. I suspect that number is grossly inflated and it’s a random guy.

Probably Jinder.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

Feb 25, 2018 18:37:00 GMT -5 Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! said:

Feb 25, 2018 18:36:03 GMT -5 @akeemresurrection said:

Nah, that would be too huge a story to sit on. I suspect that number is grossly inflated and it’s a random guy.

Probably Jinder.

Would Mahal even be making that much? Keep in mind he’s only been back on the roster just over a year and is likely on a cheap contract from his expected duties of being a midcard enhancement guy.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

Also...

John Bravo (the guy making these videos)

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Feb 25, 2018 18:41:21 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Also...

John Bravo (the guy making these videos)

I don't want to ever see actual pictures of this guy because it's much more fun to believe he looks like this.

[Hypnosis]

Feb 25, 2018 18:41:21 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Also...

John Bravo (the guy making these videos)

I miss hearing him introduce Eli Drake on Impact.

[Skeletor]

Feb 25, 2018 18:30:00 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Jan 21, 2018 19:59:51 GMT -5 Skeletor said:

I always figured, if WWE really wanted someone badly enough that if they got three strikes, they'd fire that person but then update the wellness rules on the grounds that it leaves no room for stars who overcome their issues via rehabilitation or such.

So basically the new improved policy is still 3 strikes, but upon later review you may be deemed worthy to return at WWE's and doctor's discretion.

They already CAN still rehire you if you had 3 strikes, as long as you do their rehab program.

You just still already have 2 strikes when you come back.

ty

[Allie Kitsune]

Feb 25, 2018 19:07:25 GMT -5 Skeletor said:

Feb 25, 2018 18:30:00 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

They already CAN still rehire you if you had 3 strikes, as long as you do their rehab program.

You just still already have 2 strikes when you come back.

ty

I think that might have been what happened to Masters.

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Feb 25, 2018 19:10:10 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

Feb 25, 2018 19:07:25 GMT -5 Skeletor said:

ty

I think that might have been what happened to Masters.

I think you have to be gone a certain amount of time as well, a year I think. What I wonder is if the person who gets three strikes and later returns on two strikes would be eligible for the program that allows those on two strikes to move back to one strike.

[Reflecto]

Feb 25, 2018 18:36:03 GMT -5 @akeemresurrection said:

Feb 25, 2018 18:30:53 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

If legit, I'd expect the guy spending 150K+ to be HHH or Vince.

Nah, that would be too huge a story to sit on. I suspect that number is grossly inflated and it’s a random guy.

Yeah- even if someone's making that high a price, it's likely that of the 15-20 people, Roman Reigns is the biggest star.

This would be the problem since anyone who likely could drop 150K+ on steroids would likely be a bigger star than Reigns is. (There is the case of someone who's independently wealthy outside of WWE doing it, but that would be less known to wrestling fans of their wealth, and anyone who is known to be independently wealthy outside of the WWE bubble, like Titus O'Neil, would likely be almost as damning to WWE as Roman is.)

[Thunderbolt]

150-200k a year on steroids is seriously over what pro bodybuilders loaded on shit take. 200k a year on steroids/gh/igf-1 is more than one person could take...that dude buying that amount could himself be a (re)dealer. But if he's making enough to spend 200k on steroids why would he be a dealer? I'm guessing that number is a gross exaggeration or else someone on the roster is a goddamn walking science experiment.

[Dub H]

Feb 25, 2018 21:03:43 GMT -5 Thunderbolt said:

150-200k a year on steroids is seriously over what pro bodybuilders loaded on shit take. 200k a year on steroids/gh/igf-1 is more than one person could take...that dude buying that amount could himself be a (re)dealer. But if he's making enough to spend 200k on steroids why would he be a dealer? I'm guessing that number is a gross exaggeration or else someone on the roster is a goddamn walking science experiment.

Well ,Jinder's body changed so much that he might as well be a science experiment.

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More stuff. I'll only post the interesting parts.

Filmmaker Jon Bravo was recently interviewed by Hannibal TV. Bravo has been interviewing jailed steroid dealer Richard Rodriguez for an upcoming documentary. Rodriguez implicated Roman Reigns, as well as actors Mark Wahlberg and Josh Duhamel, as clients in his steroid distribution ring, which all three men denied. In a recent video, emails and phone records of Duhamel were revealed and Bravo said that he will present evidence on Reigns in their next video.

Below are some highlights from the interview:

* Bravo explained the scandal with Richard Rodriguez and his company, Wellness Fitness Nutrition LLC (WFN), which led to Rodriguez's arrest.

* He said that Rodriguez contacted him after seeing a documentary that Bravo made regarding police busting his company. He asked Bravo to work on a documentary with him. He didn't fully trust Bravo at first, so the information that he would provide would come slowly. They are now great friends and Bravo is the only person that Rodriguez now trusts. Rodriguez's laptop was released in a court hearing. Bravo said that he legally can't say who the laptop was released to, but obviously it wasn't to Rodriguez. Bravo has Rodriguez's laptop, which hasn't been touched by Rodriguez since he was sent to prison. The laptop contains all the orders and text messages that no one has touched until he got it last week.

* WFN had over 14,000 clients in the U.S. which included celebrities, athletes, pro wrestlers, members of Congress, and celebrity trainers who would place large orders for their clients.

* In response to people saying that he's targeting Roman Reigns, he said that he has not watched wrestling since WWE was the WWF. He said that the only reason that he's doing a specific videos on Reigns, Josh Duhamel and Mark Wahlberg is because they denied knowing Rodriguez and WFN. He said that Reigns' case was interesting in the way that he placed the orders, which will be revealed in the video that he'll be releasing in the next few days.

* As for why none of the people named so far haven't faced any legal implications, Bravo said that the DEA only cares about the distributors, and they are not going after people who are using. Bravo said that he understands why Reigns denied knowing Rodriguez because it would have been a wellness policy violation with WWE. He claimed that Reigns has ordered "things which are not just testosterone." The orders that Reigns placed were a couple of months before his suspension, so he believes that Reigns' WWE suspension in 2016 was over the orders.

* Bravo said that there have been people placing orders with WFN totalling $150,000 - $200,000 and one of the names could be connected to WWE, but he doesn't know if Rodriguez will disclose it. Bravo is not exposing anyone that he doesn't have permission to disclose from Rodriguez. He said that there are 15 wrestlers - past and present - who are on their client list.

* Bravo once against stated that he believes that the WWE drug test that Reigns failed was from his orders placed with Rodriguez. He has not gone through the orders from 2017 to see if Reigns had ordered anything after the suspension, but he is going through the records soon and they will be in his next video.

* Bravo is not questioning WWE's drug testing policy because he believes that Reigns was suspended from the orders placed with Rodriguez. They do not plan to release the names of the 15 wrestlers who had placed orders through WFN. Rodriguez only disclosed Reigns, Wahlberg and Duhamel because their names were mentioned in the court discovery process, so it's likely that the DEA spoke to those individuals.

* Bravo said that the purpose of his upcoming film was not to expose people, although it does help people relate more to the subject matter. The subject matter of the film is to help lessen the laws over steroid use in the United States. He said that if steroids were made in an FDA approved lab and are used properly under the care of a doctor, they can help a lot of people, "especially wrestlers over the age of 30 years old to help them recover." Bravos said that if steroids are done properly, they can help your life. Bravo has done TRT since he was 34 years old (he's 39 now) and he said that it's only benefited his life. It did affect his life negatively when he once took a dosage higher than what was prescribed, and he learned from that. He said that the right dosage benefits your life, while taking too much "is not a good thing." That started him to make this film and then the WFN bust happened, so he started incorporating that into the message of the film.

* He said that everything that he is presenting is facts, and that they won't get sued because they are presenting factual information.

www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018/0226/637359/jon-bravo-on-roman-reigns-being-exposed-in-steroid-ring/

[Dub H]

Not sure why Roman just didn't admit it since he already has been suspended for those drugs.

[dreidemy]

If the stuff related to Roman is from 2016 , Roman f***** up saying that he didn't know the guy.

All I can think is that maybe he bought somethings in 2016 and some other things after suspension, that's the only reason I can think for him to lie.

One thing is for sure, the way this guy speaks can create some buzz on the media and taint WWE image

[xCompackx]

Feb 26, 2018 14:07:55 GMT -5 dreidemy said:

If the stuff related to Roman is from 2016 , Roman f***** up saying that he didn't know the guy.

All I can think is that maybe he bought somethings in 2016 and some other things after suspension, that's the only reason I can think for him to lie.

One thing is for sure, the way this guy speaks can create some buzz on the media and taint WWE image

Yeah, in my mind, denying knowledge of someone in relation to a publicly known suspension kind of brings about questions as to whether there were more Wellness violations that maybe weren't so publicly known. Heading into the biggest show of the year for WWE, the last thing they need is the guy set to main event being caught in a lie like this. Especially when this is the one time of the year where the media actually gives a shit about wrestling.

[Tenshigure]

Feb 26, 2018 10:50:50 GMT -5 @kn said:

* Bravo said that the purpose of his upcoming film was not to expose people, although it does help people relate more to the subject matter. The subject matter of the film is to help lessen the laws over steroid use in the United States. He said that if steroids were made in an FDA approved lab and are used properly under the care of a doctor, they can help a lot of people, "especially wrestlers over the age of 30 years old to help them recover." Bravos said that if steroids are done properly, they can help your life. Bravo has done TRT since he was 34 years old (he's 39 now) and he said that it's only benefited his life. It did affect his life negatively when he once took a dosage higher than what was prescribed, and he learned from that. He said that the right dosage benefits your life, while taking too much "is not a good thing." That started him to make this film and then the WFN bust happened, so he started incorporating that into the message of the film.

This guy is so full of shit...anabolic steroids, specifically Anadrol, are FDA-approved (read: made in an FDA-approved lab) and are classified as a CIII drug, meaning it can only be legally obtained with a doctor's prescription (and has a low to moderate potential for physical and psychological dependence). No, the reality is that all he wants is for it to be removed from the controlled substance categories so he can sell it to anyone who wants it over-the-counter and make money off of hapless idiots who think that it's the only way they'll get "dem gainz".

[Widow's Peak]

So this may be a huge nothing-burger filled with stuff we already know. Reigns might end up with a bit of an embarrassment factor if it turns out that he did know the dealer (it's possible he placed orders without even meeting the guy), but without proof that he continued to use after his initial suspension I doubt he'll be punished further. Anyone hoping that this banishes Reigns to mid-card hell once and for all probably shouldn't get their hopes up.

[Juice]

There are two threads with varying info. They should merge them.