So are The Revival screwed?

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Did a quick squash tonight and then went on a shooty promo about how they don't care about the Legends next week as it's their time in the sun, and will be trying to show that they aren't Superstars or made by WWE, they're "Professional Wrestlers".

So two things are gonna happen next week, one, The Revival beat down some Legends and establish themselves as a legitimate threat, or two, WWE just puts the bullet in their heads and they get completely destroyed by some old dudes finishers. 

The Revival are an amazing act that have been cut down this year by some unfortunately timed injuries. Before this they were put over huge beating New Day in their debut match. I'd say if that promo was just made for them to get shit on by Legends and WWE's narrative, it is a total waste of an act that could be one of the best tag teams for years to come, if they can stay healthy.

I just have a really bad feeling they're gonna be thrown in the bin with Slater, Rob Conway, and The Ascension...  

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My guess is that they'll get f***ed up by the APA because we're supposed to LOVE IT, MAGGLE.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

*shrug*

Nobody remembers this stuff other than us. They'll be fine once they get into a proper feud.

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Jan 16, 2018 2:10:21 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

*shrug*

Nobody remembers this stuff other than us.

I remember the fact it didn't help any of those dudes careers in the long run, and for guys who are supposed to be really good and supposed to be taken seriously, being embarrassed by some old dudes isn't exactly the way to help an act that already lost so much momentum.

[EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese]

Jan 16, 2018 2:11:25 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Jan 16, 2018 2:10:21 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

*shrug*

Nobody remembers this stuff other than us.

I remember the fact it didn't help any of those dudes careers in the long run, and for guys who are supposed to be really good and supposed to be taken seriously, being embarrassed by some old dudes isn't exactly the way to help an act that already lost so much momentum.

OK, seriously... a hypothetical for you.

Say this happens as you expect it, and The Revival take the legend finisher buffet. Later down the line they're having a title feud with, let's say The Usos, and they're having great matches and they're doing good promos and such. Are you really going to be sitting there with the metaphorical thumb up your ass going "I'm sorry, I can't take these guys seriously because Billy Gunn hit a Fame Asser on Dawson one time, so I don't care"?

(This actual scenario happened with The New Day by the way, and I bet them being punked out by Austin, Michaels and Foley at WM32 was the LAST thing on your mind during all those awesome tag matches with The Usos)

[King Devitt: What Plants Crave]

*turns on Computer and watches video of this exact thing happening to The Ascension effectively cutting the legs out from under them before they even had a chance*

There is precedence for the concern.

And inb4 "The Ascension isn't The Revival".

yes.

The point remains. if they job to freaking APA, then meh.
If they completely destroy APA, then awesome!

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As much as I dislike seeing young talent get damaged, they have zero momentum now and I'll be honest, I think they suck. Bit of a rant incoming but I don't want to derail the thread so I'll spoiler it so people can only read if they're interested in me shouting at clouds.

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{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Bald Revival is decent in ring, okay at best on the mic, Hairy Revival is terrible. They have very little presence and they're not intimidating.

Their gimmick is such a mishmash of things. Theyre a tough oldschool Brainbusters 2.0? So why do they wrestle mostly like cowardly Memphis heels?

I call them bald and Hairy because I still can't remember which is which name wise.

And their music makes me want to dig out my eardrums with a dessert spoon.

Their current lack of momentum makes them ideal for an anniversary squashing. As much as I dislike them they had loads of momentum and heat pre injuries so it would have hurt them more then, but they're doing nothing and lukewarm so this will get them TV time and probably a YouTube highlight. Better than nothing.

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Jan 16, 2018 2:19:45 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Jan 16, 2018 2:11:25 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

I remember the fact it didn't help any of those dudes careers in the long run, and for guys who are supposed to be really good and supposed to be taken seriously, being embarrassed by some old dudes isn't exactly the way to help an act that already lost so much momentum.

OK, seriously... a hypothetical for you.

Say this happens as you expect it, and The Revival take the legend finisher buffet. Later down the line they're having a title feud with, let's say The Usos, and they're having great matches and they're doing good promos and such. Are you really going to be sitting there with the metaphorical thumb up your ass going "I'm sorry, I can't take these guys seriously because Billy Gunn hit a Fame Asser on Dawson one time, so I don't care"?

(This actual scenario happened with The New Day by the way, and I bet them being punked out by Austin, Michaels and Foley at WM32 was the LAST thing on your mind during all those awesome tag matches with The Usos)

Ok there's a big difference there, and it was because it was at WRESTLEMANIA, where shit is pretty much retconned the night afterwards anyway. I get RAW 25 is going to be a special event and everything, but the issue is this whole thing would also be implied that because The Revival have pegged themselves as "Wrestlers", they're going to be beaten by "Sports Entertainment Legends" to be taken down a peg because "Labeling yourselves as wrestlers is bad", at least that's how the narrative seems to be getting pushed, because they said they aren't WWE built it almost feels like if they get beaten down by Legend Leftovers it's a WWE vain way of saying they're the best, despite the fact in reality Dawson and Dash ARE WWE made and aren't even indy dudes so it doesn't even make any sense. It's almost like Vince dressing up some dudes as The Young Bucks and kicking the shit out of them. 

Bottom line even if its forgotten and even if The Revival are fine afterward, it shouldn't happen or be booked in the first place, so I would be upset by it. WWE are supposed to be building a future, and this shit is a constant reminder that "Nothing beats the past!", like Mania has been these past few years too, it's just, ironically, old at this point.

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Jan 16, 2018 2:26:53 GMT -5 @returnofthestryker said:

As much as I dislike seeing young talent get damaged, they have zero momentum now and I'll be honest, I think they suck. Bit of a rant incoming but I don't want to derail the thread so I'll spoiler it so people can only read if they're interested in me shouting at clouds.

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{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Bald Revival is decent in ring, okay at best on the mic, Hairy Revival is terrible. They have very little presence and they're not intimidating.

Their gimmick is such a mishmash of things. Theyre a tough oldschool Brainbusters 2.0? So why do they wrestle mostly like cowardly Memphis heels?

I call them bald and Hairy because I still can't remember which is which name wise.

And their music makes me want to dig out my eardrums with a dessert spoon.

Their current lack of momentum makes them ideal for an anniversary squashing. As much as I dislike them they had loads of momentum and heat pre injuries so it would have hurt them more then, but they're doing nothing and lukewarm so this will get them TV time and probably a YouTube highlight. Better than nothing.

Revival's Gimmick is that they're old school hard nosed wrestlers, I'd say Minnesota Wrecking Crew is the name they get most often. They aren't supposed to be one style of old tag wrestling they mix in a few and they do it well. Can't relate on the theme despite the fact they keep changing things about it that annoy me, and Dawson is the bald one that looks like a lost Anderson it's that easy. 

Here's the thing about a lack of momentum making them ideal for a squashing. You want them to get that momentum BACK, you don't want to feed them to some legends to ensure they never get their momentum back and are just taken like jokes from here on out. It's not worth the "Youtube Highlight", it's worth actually building your talent back up in a reasonable way.

[RadcapRadsley]

Jan 16, 2018 2:10:21 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

*shrug*

Nobody remembers this stuff other than us. They'll be fine once they get into a proper feud.

Nobody remembers this stuff it doesn't matter if they look like trash and eat finishes from old guys in wheelchair...................... now stay tuned next week for previews of the WHC Final 4 Way btwn Slater,Ryder,Conway and Sandow as all those guys shot straight to the top after jobbing to geriatrics

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Jan 16, 2018 2:33:15 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Jan 16, 2018 2:26:53 GMT -5 @returnofthestryker said:

As much as I dislike seeing young talent get damaged, they have zero momentum now and I'll be honest, I think they suck. Bit of a rant incoming but I don't want to derail the thread so I'll spoiler it so people can only read if they're interested in me shouting at clouds.

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Bald Revival is decent in ring, okay at best on the mic, Hairy Revival is terrible. They have very little presence and they're not intimidating.

Their gimmick is such a mishmash of things. Theyre a tough oldschool Brainbusters 2.0? So why do they wrestle mostly like cowardly Memphis heels?

I call them bald and Hairy because I still can't remember which is which name wise.

And their music makes me want to dig out my eardrums with a dessert spoon.

Their current lack of momentum makes them ideal for an anniversary squashing. As much as I dislike them they had loads of momentum and heat pre injuries so it would have hurt them more then, but they're doing nothing and lukewarm so this will get them TV time and probably a YouTube highlight. Better than nothing.

Revival's Gimmick is that they're old school hard nosed wrestlers, I'd say Minnesota Wrecking Crew is the name they get most often. They aren't supposed to be one style of old tag wrestling they mix in a few and they do it well. Can't relate on the theme despite the fact they keep changing things about it that annoy me, and Dawson is the bald one that looks like a lost Anderson it's that easy. 

Here's the thing about a lack of momentum making them ideal for a squashing. You want them to get that momentum BACK, you don't want to feed them to some legends to ensure they never get their momentum back and are just taken like jokes from here on out. It's not worth the "Youtube Highlight", it's worth actually building your talent back up in a reasonable way.

If they're hard nosed, they shouldnt do the chicken heel stuff. I disagree they do it well, I think they're awful. And the point I made about the name is because they're so anonymous personality wise I have no cause to remember which is which.

Someone is getting squashed for a nostalgia pop, better them than to derail someone, and as has been mentioned, you can recover (New Day, hell Heath Slater had a tag title run).

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Jan 16, 2018 2:39:08 GMT -5 @returnofthestryker said:

Jan 16, 2018 2:33:15 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Revival's Gimmick is that they're old school hard nosed wrestlers, I'd say Minnesota Wrecking Crew is the name they get most often. They aren't supposed to be one style of old tag wrestling they mix in a few and they do it well. Can't relate on the theme despite the fact they keep changing things about it that annoy me, and Dawson is the bald one that looks like a lost Anderson it's that easy. 

Here's the thing about a lack of momentum making them ideal for a squashing. You want them to get that momentum BACK, you don't want to feed them to some legends to ensure they never get their momentum back and are just taken like jokes from here on out. It's not worth the "Youtube Highlight", it's worth actually building your talent back up in a reasonable way.

If they're hard nosed, they shouldnt do the chicken heel stuff. I disagree they do it well, I think they're awful. And the point I made about the name is because they're so anonymous personality wise I have no cause to remember which is which.

Someone is getting squashed for a nostalgia pop, better them than to derail someone, and as has been mentioned, you can recover (New Day, hell Heath Slater had a tag title run).

You can be a hard nosed aggressive tag team and still cheat. It's called depth. A lot of Old School Territory Teams did that. 

Also it would still DERAIL The Revival who are just coming back to re-establish themselves as talent! Look just because you don't like them and don't see any value lost because of that if they're squashed doesn't mean they're an ideal choice for this "must happen" scenario. Young talent being fed to Legends for no reason is bullshit regardless of who it is, but when it's a team with a ton of upside in a ton of peoples eyes, not yours but a ton of peoples, it's even worse.

[Jonathan Michaels]

Jan 16, 2018 2:19:45 GMT -5 EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese said:

Jan 16, 2018 2:11:25 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

I remember the fact it didn't help any of those dudes careers in the long run, and for guys who are supposed to be really good and supposed to be taken seriously, being embarrassed by some old dudes isn't exactly the way to help an act that already lost so much momentum.

OK, seriously... a hypothetical for you.

Say this happens as you expect it, and The Revival take the legend finisher buffet. Later down the line they're having a title feud with, let's say The Usos, and they're having great matches and they're doing good promos and such. Are you really going to be sitting there with the metaphorical thumb up your ass going "I'm sorry, I can't take these guys seriously because Billy Gunn hit a Fame Asser on Dawson one time, so I don't care"?

(This actual scenario happened with The New Day by the way, and I bet them being punked out by Austin, Michaels and Foley at WM32 was the LAST thing on your mind during all those awesome tag matches with The Usos)

Wasn't it the League of Nations than got punked out, not New Day?

I mean, sure, Xavier took a Stunner, but EVERYONE takes Stunners.

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Jan 16, 2018 2:42:53 GMT -5 cjb01: Limited Edition Item! said:

Jan 16, 2018 2:39:08 GMT -5 @returnofthestryker said:

If they're hard nosed, they shouldnt do the chicken heel stuff. I disagree they do it well, I think they're awful. And the point I made about the name is because they're so anonymous personality wise I have no cause to remember which is which.

Someone is getting squashed for a nostalgia pop, better them than to derail someone, and as has been mentioned, you can recover (New Day, hell Heath Slater had a tag title run).

You can be a hard nosed aggressive tag team and still cheat. It's called depth. A lot of Old School Territory Teams did that. 

But it would still DERAIL The Revival who are just coming back to re-establish themselves as talent! Look just because you don't like them and don't see any value lost because of that if they're squashed doesn't mean they're an ideal choice for this "must happen" scenario.  

Not in the way they do it. It's not their fault, this falls on agents and booking, their style is so inconsistent. One minute they're badasses, the next they're hiding behind each other and acting goofy. That's where the problem comes in. Why do I take them seriously as a badass team when I've just seen them acting like Well Dunn?

And I'm not saying this because I dislike them. In WWE on a show like this, someone is getting squashed for nostalgia, thats a given. It needs to be someone who matters a bit but ideally Noone in an angle. They just tick the boxes. They're not on any rails to be derailed from.

Im probably dispassionate to it because I'm not a fan but to turn it around a moment, you are (and that good, something I love about wrestling is that there is always someone different to mark for) and so in the same way I might be downplaying it, you're likely more unhappy because Noone likes their guys getting beat.

[Bungle]

It doesn't help they are glass made either.

[The Heartbreak TWERK]

Nothing says jobber trash like eating 27 finishers from a circle of old men.

[msc]

They're from NXT, so of course they will do an Ascension.

Wait for the reaction on here when the Authors of Pain lose clean to Titus and Apollo.

[cabbageboy]

The Revival are the textbook example of guys from NXT that would get buried on the main roster. Mediocre look, solid but unspectacular as workers, no gimmick for the average person to latch onto. They look like guys who would be squashed on 1980s Saturday morning TV. And yes, next week they are going to eat the finishers of about a dozen old men. That will teach them for being hurt all year!

[trollrogue]

They honestly are getting the exact same push as heel Daniel Bryan did. He was a "PROFESSIONAL WRESTLER" not like John Cena or Sheamus. But he still lost in 8 seconds to Sheamus at 'Mania.

The Revival are the best tag team on the planet, but they will still receive the Razor's Edge and the Jacknife Powerbomb from the Outsiderz and sell the holy hell out of Stone Cold's Stunners when there is no ring bell or a sanctioned match involved. That will only make their fire burn hotter as a hungry tag team with a chip on their shoulder who are jealous of Sports Entertainers getting all the breaks.

[walterharrow]

I hope they simply have they call out an old tag team (New Age Outlaws) and then beat them before announcing that they want a title shot in the future