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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 17, 2018 9:07:20 GMT -5
The brighter spotlight of the main roster has really shown that the two look really really plain and not in a good way. It was a cute throwback in the smaller and way more flash saturated NXT but on Raw? They just look like a local jobber team. And now they're throwing out the "Ooooh we said Professional Wrestler. Aren't we edgy? We said a banned term!" crutch. Their whole situation is just kinda sad. I wouldn't say it's because of their look I'd say the main reason they've crashed are the injuries. They were on a huge tear when they cae up beating New Day AND The Hardys, but Injuries took them out, and then they came back, and got hurt again just as quick. Their heat died, their momentum died, and even when they came back they've been held off TV for now to seemingly be fed to the wolves with this horrible booking... It is sad, I agree. I feel like the number of successful NXT Stars on the Main Roster who haven't gotten hurt or lost momentum huge are so scarce and it's kind of scary how bad some of them flop on this stage with this booking. They can't be all to blame for this shit, it's kind of an all around screwed pooch and continues to be. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 17, 2018 9:12:45 GMT -5
The "I'm a REAL professional wrestler, not a sports entertainer!" promo is inherently AWFUL. I hate, HATE those kinds of promos. It was stupid when Daniel Bryan pulled that card before his 2013 Cena match, and it's stupid today. I am NOT going to be rooting for the Revival for a while. Oh don't get me wrong I didn't say that was a good promo. It seemed incredibly forced and it's another reason I think they're screwed. This is the exact same shit they did with The Ascension when they were trashing LOD and shit. It's just unnecessary, if WWE hadn't made "Wrestler" just an ambient term the last few years it wouldn't even have to be a stupid trigger word these days, on top of the whole aspect that they aren't WWE made and all that, Revival were never like this, they were a Throwback to a bygone era, that's what they were, they wanted to prove their style of wrestling superior and that they were the TOP GUYS, that's all you needed to make a good bastard heel team, you didn't need this extra meta digging to try and stir some sort of pot and kind of ensure they're gonna get their asses kicked by old men that might just stick the fork in their main roster run. But WWE loves making MOMENTS more than characters anymore, so that's really what we're getting... at the expense of talent... again. The Revival were obviously okay with saying it. So the bulk of my anger is directed towards them. Whether or not WWE approved it is aside the point. If you choose to cut that kind of promo, then yeah- I do hope your character gets their asses kicked. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 17, 2018 9:15:47 GMT -5
Oh don't get me wrong I didn't say that was a good promo. It seemed incredibly forced and it's another reason I think they're screwed. This is the exact same shit they did with The Ascension when they were trashing LOD and shit. It's just unnecessary, if WWE hadn't made "Wrestler" just an ambient term the last few years it wouldn't even have to be a stupid trigger word these days, on top of the whole aspect that they aren't WWE made and all that, Revival were never like this, they were a Throwback to a bygone era, that's what they were, they wanted to prove their style of wrestling superior and that they were the TOP GUYS, that's all you needed to make a good bastard heel team, you didn't need this extra meta digging to try and stir some sort of pot and kind of ensure they're gonna get their asses kicked by old men that might just stick the fork in their main roster run. But WWE loves making MOMENTS more than characters anymore, so that's really what we're getting... at the expense of talent... again. The Revival were obviously okay with saying it. So the bulk of my anger is directed towards them. I mean... you also say what Booking tells you to say. I don't know personally how they would have felt saying that shit but I'm not gonna go "Yeah these guys were totally cool with saying these lines on a scripted program where they have to say shit or they might get fired, suspended, depushed, etc., f*** them", especially coming off of injuries with no storyline or direction. I'd be mad that Booking wrote it up and thought it was a good idea in the first place, more than Revival saying literally what was scripted for them to say with conviction because they were told to say it with conviction as their characters and gimmick. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 17, 2018 9:20:30 GMT -5
The Revival were obviously okay with saying it. So the bulk of my anger is directed towards them. I mean... you also say what Booking tells you to say. I don't know personally how they would have felt saying that shit but I'm not gonna go "Yeah these guys were totally cool with saying these lines on a scripted program where they have to say shit or they might get fired, suspended, depushed, etc., f*** them", especially coming off of injuries with no storyline or direction. I'd be mad that Booking wrote it up and thought it was a good idea in the first place, more than Revival saying literally what was scripted for them to say with conviction because they were told to say it with conviction as their characters and gimmick. As a mark, I do not care. |
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Post by Gremlin on Jan 17, 2018 9:26:44 GMT -5
I would be thrilled if The Brain Busters show up at Raw 25 and spike piledrive these mooks. Kinda saddens me how some people seem to hate The Revival now, for the longest time they were one of the BEST acts in NXT and had one of the most must see rivalries with American Alpha... and now some people are calling them high school gym knockoffs of territory guys and would rather see them get knocked around because they're "Mooks" WWE really takes the piss out of everything these days, it's depressing. I don't watch NXT and I haven't seen a match of theirs other than the one after Mania (which honestly I had to look up to even remember) and this past Monday. But all I have seen of them is their somewhat limited time on the main roster. So far, they certainly haven't been able to 'walk the walk'. Besides, are they supposed to be likable? They seem like jerks to me. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 17, 2018 9:27:51 GMT -5
I mean... you also say what Booking tells you to say. I don't know personally how they would have felt saying that shit but I'm not gonna go "Yeah these guys were totally cool with saying these lines on a scripted program where they have to say shit or they might get fired, suspended, depushed, etc., f*** them", especially coming off of injuries with no storyline or direction. I'd be mad that Booking wrote it up and thought it was a good idea in the first place, more than Revival saying literally what was scripted for them to say with conviction because they were told to say it with conviction as their characters and gimmick. As a mark, I do not care. Well, I guess Revival did their jobs then if you're a mark and hate them, since that was WWE's seeming mission with this promo. For you to hate The Revival for being pretentious pricks and thinking their style the best and better than the rest, if poorly executed and completely unnecessary for them to ever do being once again overly meta and shooty without actually trying to develop in gimmick. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 17, 2018 9:29:44 GMT -5
As a mark, I do not care. Well, I guess Revival did their jobs then if you're a mark and hate them, since that was WWE's seeming mission with this promo. For you to hate The Revival for being pretentious pricks and thinking their style the best and better than the rest, if poorly executed and completely unnecessary for them to ever do being once again overly meta and shooty without actually trying to develop in gimmick. I'm not going to root for any character who cuts that promo, I'm sorry. I don't care about the backstage whatever that led to it. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 17, 2018 9:29:44 GMT -5
Kinda saddens me how some people seem to hate The Revival now, for the longest time they were one of the BEST acts in NXT and had one of the most must see rivalries with American Alpha... and now some people are calling them high school gym knockoffs of territory guys and would rather see them get knocked around because they're "Mooks" WWE really takes the piss out of everything these days, it's depressing. I don't watch NXT and I haven't seen a match of theirs other than the one after Mania (which honestly I had to look up to even remember) and this past Monday. But all I have seen of them is their somewhat limited time on the main roster. So far, they certainly haven't been able to 'walk the walk'. Besides, are they supposed to be likable? They seem like jerks to me. Nah they're definite asshole heels. They're a team many love to hate for their throwback styles and tendencies. I can see where some hate would come from if people haven't seen them on NXT, their main roster run has been bland and hampered by badly timed injuried. I can't recommend their matches vs Alpha enough, their triple threat with Alpha and Authors of Pain is fantastic as well, as is their classic with Gargano and Ciampa. Like with almost every main roster run callup, they've looked way better in NXT and I recommend you seek out some of their stuff there. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 17, 2018 10:32:05 GMT -5
Actually heard Bubba/Bully Ray on XM the other day talking about how there was a good chance he'd be at the 25th anniversary show, and how he wouldn't want to do an angle where he and D'von come in and just wreck a younger heel team for a quick crowd pop; he specifically cited the WM moment where Austin/Foley/Michaels came in and beat up the League of Nations as something he doesn't want to do. Said something like being cooler with the idea if it involved the Dudleys working with a current babyface team to pop the crowd, instead.
Frankly, that'd be the much better way to go; there's no benefit in putting old/retired acts over the current ones, not in a company where this has felt like a consistent pattern of behavior and where they seem to already have a very, very difficult time creating new stars to begin with (most of that due to their own booking shortcomings, which this would be a part of).
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 17, 2018 10:44:08 GMT -5
Actually heard Bubba/Bully Ray on XM the other day talking about how there was a good chance he'd be at the 25th anniversary show, and how he wouldn't want to do an angle where he and D'von come in and just wreck a younger heel team for a quick crowd pop; he specifically cited the WM moment where Austin/Foley/Michaels came in and beat up the League of Nations as something he doesn't want to do. Said something like being cooler with the idea if it involved the Dudleys working with a current babyface team to pop the crowd, instead. Frankly, that'd be the much better way to go; there's no benefit in putting old/retired acts over the current ones, not in a company where this has felt like a consistent pattern of behavior and where they seem to already have a very, very difficult time creating new stars to begin with (most of that due to their own booking shortcomings, which this would be a part of). Regardless of whatever you thought of the Revival’s promo or their character or anything, I think that’s the fundamental point here. Nostalgia acts are cool but even with someone like the Ascention, if you weren’t going to do anything with them afterwards (and no, beating the New Age Outlaws doesn’t count because of course they should beat those two), then there’s no point in doing it. Hell, there’s less a point of having the Revival get beaten up because they’ve been struggling to build ANYONE up for years now, single guys, tag teams, stables etc. On the promo front...eh. It’s really naff but I have no resentment towards them for saying it. Of course they’re going to try anything to get their momentum back. I mean, if I were booking, I would have an old school guy be their manager who could cut promos to back up their toughness. Arn Anderson with those two makes too much sense. And again, if they don’t suit the main roster, a) change their gimmick in developmental or b) build those two up as their own thing instead of filling some imaginary hole you made on 2007 or something. |
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Post by corndog on Jan 17, 2018 11:21:59 GMT -5
I would be thrilled if The Brain Busters show up at Raw 25 and spike piledrive these mooks. Kinda saddens me how some people seem to hate The Revival now, for the longest time they were one of the BEST acts in NXT and had one of the most must see rivalries with American Alpha... and now some people are calling them high school gym knockoffs of territory guys and would rather see them get knocked around because they're "Mooks" WWE really takes the piss out of everything these days, it's depressing. I agree, it's pretty sad that they are just a throwaway act at this point, after the incredible matches and fueds they had in NXT. |
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 17, 2018 11:30:20 GMT -5
Actually heard Bubba/Bully Ray on XM the other day talking about how there was a good chance he'd be at the 25th anniversary show, and how he wouldn't want to do an angle where he and D'von come in and just wreck a younger heel team for a quick crowd pop; he specifically cited the WM moment where Austin/Foley/Michaels came in and beat up the League of Nations as something he doesn't want to do. Said something like being cooler with the idea if it involved the Dudleys working with a current babyface team to pop the crowd, instead. Frankly, that'd be the much better way to go; there's no benefit in putting old/retired acts over the current ones, not in a company where this has felt like a consistent pattern of behavior and where they seem to already have a very, very difficult time creating new stars to begin with (most of that due to their own booking shortcomings, which this would be a part of). I wouldnt mind some team ups and such, or even some Legend vs Legend matches if guys can still go like the Battle Royal I want, but yeah older acts just laying out newer acts doesn't help anyone at this point, Revival should lay out an act or two to really establish themselves again or it really is moot, pointless, and detrimental to a product that is constantly pushing their age before talent anymore... |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 17, 2018 11:55:27 GMT -5
Well, I guess Revival did their jobs then if you're a mark and hate them, since that was WWE's seeming mission with this promo. For you to hate The Revival for being pretentious pricks and thinking their style the best and better than the rest, if poorly executed and completely unnecessary for them to ever do being once again overly meta and shooty without actually trying to develop in gimmick. I'm not going to root for any character who cuts that promo, I'm sorry. I don't care about the backstage whatever that led to it. I'm getting to the same point. These guys aren't being horse whipped and shoved into cages, much as some people in various parts of the internet may see it that way in their mind's eye. If they don't like what they're being told to say, either fight for it, or if that doesn't work, start planning an exit strategy and see what you can make of it on the indies once your contract's up. Being a "former WWE Superstar" will get you more looks and more bookings. I get that VERY FEW people are going to get a seat on the Bullet Club/Elite Gravy Train (and the spot in NJPW that comes with it) like Cody did, so I guess it's all about what they're in the business for. I don't think they necessarily mind it as much as others imagine they mind it, though. At least not at this point in their careers. |
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Jan 17, 2018 12:13:19 GMT -5
They had these guys beat the longest reigning tag team champions in WWE history clean as a sheet on their first night.
I think WWE really likes them, but injuries, the Hardys nostalgia tour, the heel heavy tag team scene on Raw, and the Bar/Ambrollins never ending saga kinda f***ed their momentum. I think they’re a step up over the Ascension (mostly because the Ascension are kinda bleh in the ring).
Also I can’t be too pressed about legends beating them up next week. I mean Jake the Snake and the New Age Outlaws punked the Shield a few years ago on an old school Raw. Did anybody care the next week?
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 17, 2018 12:15:12 GMT -5
They had these guys beat the longest reigning tag team champions in WWE history clean as a sheet on their first night. I think WWE really likes them, but injuries, the Hardys nostalgia tour, the heel heavy tag team scene on Raw, and the Bar/Ambrollins never ending saga kinda f***ed their momentum. I think they’re a step up over the Ascension (mostly because the Ascension are kinda bleh in the ring). Also I can’t be too pressed about legends beating them up next week. I mean Jake the Snake and the New Age Outlaws punked the Shield a few years ago on an old school Raw. Did anybody care the next week? To be fair I think everyone was just so happy to see Jake the Snake happy and healthy and Dean corpsing at the snake being on him like a childhood dream come true to care. |
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Post by sportatorium on Jan 17, 2018 12:44:17 GMT -5
I hope they avoid the injury bug & get a push. I do agree that having them come out and cut promos about how old school they are really diminishes the act. The Clash and The Ramones didn’t run around saying, “we’re punk rock”.
If Revival just started cutting Arn & Tully style promos talking about how they are coming after belts & going to beat everyone up, they’d be better off.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 17, 2018 13:37:09 GMT -5
I hope they avoid the injury bug & get a push. I do agree that having them come out and cut promos about how old school they are really diminishes the act. The Clash and The Ramones didn’t run around saying, “we’re punk rock”. If Revival just started cutting Arn & Tully style promos talking about how they are coming after belts & going to beat everyone up, they’d be better off. These stories are supposed to be about a legit competition. When I hear characters playing the "wrestlers vs. entertainers" card, it kills my suspension of disbelief. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 17, 2018 13:41:12 GMT -5
I hope they avoid the injury bug & get a push. I do agree that having them come out and cut promos about how old school they are really diminishes the act. The Clash and The Ramones didn’t run around saying, “we’re punk rock”. If Revival just started cutting Arn & Tully style promos talking about how they are coming after belts & going to beat everyone up, they’d be better off. These stories are supposed to be about a legit competition. When I hear characters playing the "wrestlers vs. entertainers" card, it kills my suspension of disbelief. Yeah, I agree. It’s one of those things that come off like you have no real interest in doing anything with people when you do that because the result is always the “entertainer” beating the “wrestler” when it feels like a really lazy way to approach a story. Have the Revival be those assholes that think the lockeroom’s too happy and cite stuff like the stuff WWE does on YouTube as making everyone soft, the people who are considered “soft” fight back and show they belong. There. No line blurring idiocy. |
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 17, 2018 14:09:16 GMT -5
Exactly. These stories are supposed to be about a legit competition. When I hear characters playing the "wrestlers vs. entertainers" card, it kills my suspension of disbelief. Yeah, I agree. It’s one of those things that come off like you have no real interest in doing anything with people when you do that because the result is always the “entertainer” beating the “wrestler” when it feels like a really lazy way to approach a story. Have the Revival be those assholes that think the lockeroom’s too happy and cite stuff like the stuff WWE does on YouTube as making everyone soft, the people who are considered “soft” fight back and show they belong. There. No line blurring idiocy. And what wrestler doesn't want to entertain people while they win? That's more merchandise sold, meaning more money for them. Even in kayfabe it seems dumb to rail against that. |
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Post by PTBartman on Jan 18, 2018 5:39:19 GMT -5
Did a quick squash tonight and then went on a shooty promo about how they don't care about the Legends next week as it's their time in the sun, and will be trying to show that they aren't Superstars or made by WWE, they're "Professional Wrestlers". So two things are gonna happen next week, one, The Revival beat down some Legends and establish themselves as a legitimate threat, or two, WWE just puts the bullet in their heads and they get completely destroyed by some old dudes finishers. The Revival are an amazing act that have been cut down this year by some unfortunately timed injuries. Before this they were put over huge beating New Day in their debut match. I'd say if that promo was just made for them to get shit on by Legends and WWE's narrative, it is a total waste of an act that could be one of the best tag teams for years to come, if they can stay healthy. I just have a really bad feeling they're gonna be thrown in the bin with Slater, Rob Conway, and The Ascension... I really enjoyed the segment, the match had an old school jobber show feel and the promo felt real. I'd have them interact with Arn Anderson next week. You don't get more old school than that |
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