AlexaBliss4Life
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Alexa Bliss is the Queen the wrestling world needs!
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Jan 23, 2018 2:17:23 GMT -5
The fact that the “super fan” doofuses were there was great. Screw those guys. Okay, I do enjoy that Brock Lesnar Guy got screwed. The dude that does Brock's little bounce thing was there? I didn't see him. |
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on Jan 23, 2018 2:21:10 GMT -5
Okay, I do enjoy that Brock Lesnar Guy got screwed. The dude that does Brock's little bounce thing was there? I didn't see him. I saw him joining in on the “Holy shit” chant during Taker’s entrance. |
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Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone.
Got away with it, this time.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 23, 2018 2:47:33 GMT -5
A few of them probably paid a lot of money for wm32 too. Even the superfans must have a limit.
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Post by kingbookermark on Jan 23, 2018 3:15:39 GMT -5
I would have gone to the Manhattan Center show if you told me what was booked. I'd pay 500$ to sit that close to Taker and Dx. You guys are complaining over nothing. That's why I've completely tuned out of this forum and barely posted lately. This message board used to be fun. I used to feel like you liked the product. I guess I'll keep enjoying my show I guess.
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Post by chronocross on Jan 23, 2018 3:19:51 GMT -5
I would have gone to the Manhattan Center show if you told me what was booked. I'd pay 500$ to sit that close to Taker and Dx. You guys are complaining over nothing. That's why I've completely tuned out of this forum and barely posted lately. This message board used to be fun. I used to feel like you liked the product. I guess I'll keep enjoying my show I guess. To each their own I guess, I’d pay the price for a Wrestlemania or Summerslam PPV but not to watch most of the bigger things happening on a TV screen, some 205 live matches, a Taker promo and DX, which I was never a big fan of on the first place. If it was a full show there, then maybe I’d consider it, maybe. |
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jan 23, 2018 4:28:37 GMT -5
The 1st Old School Raw from late 2010 was WWE "getting it" in regards to how to do an old school show. It wasn't perfect, but it was a solid blend of old and new with the old school presentation and names. If we just got something in respects to that at Manhattan, it could've been a great experience for everyone. They nailed the presentation, got in a few big name segments, but basically failed to put together an actual show. It's a shame it was a double-event, because it really should've just been at Manhattan.
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Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Jan 23, 2018 6:11:04 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 2 was less of a clusterf*** than this. This was my thought exactly! I said, "you did it correctly THIRTY YEARS AGO!!! how did you mess this up???" |
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Post by King Devitt: What Plants Crave on Jan 23, 2018 6:12:01 GMT -5
Just speaking honestly, I thought it was clear that Barclays was going to be getting the main show while the Manhattan Center was going to get the nostalgia stuff. If you bought tickets for the latter expecting what the former got, then that's on you. If they were so upset, then voice it during the DX segment. That had every chance to bitch and boo and crap on that whole thing. Instead, they cheer and chant and go batty the entire time. I'm not saying they shouldn't feel upset, but they really should have known what they were going to get. If you're in a barren desert, you'll take any water you can get. |
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cjb01: Limited Edition Item!
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 23, 2018 7:26:38 GMT -5
I would have gone to the Manhattan Center show if you told me what was booked. I'd pay 500$ to sit that close to Taker and Dx. You guys are complaining over nothing. That's why I've completely tuned out of this forum and barely posted lately. This message board used to be fun. I used to feel like you liked the product. I guess I'll keep enjoying my show I guess. You know people DO enjoy the product but WWE is far from perfect and not above criticism. I wouldn't have paid 500 some dollars to see Taker and DX talk, the match lengths were also incredibly short, Ali vs Dorado went like three minutes, Hardy vs Bray went like five, The Tag Team Matches both went like another five, this was a three hour show that's not good. If Taker and DX had appearances booked more around a solid show then we'll talk. For what that was people at the Manhattan Center were basically watching another show on a TV for most of the time and that is horseshit. The real folly here was thinking booking two shows in different arenas and having a dangerous unbalance of the card was a good idea. Some people say they should have expected this and that the Manhattan Center was "Gonna be the lesser booked venue" but to me that's bullshit, they had a right to be pissed for basically paying PPV Money for a show and basically watching Barclay's get like 88% of it. If the prices were lower and there were more things for people to enjoy to really make the event and atmosphere feel special, then there wouldn't have been as much frustration from people watching and especially people at the event itself. If you would have paid that amount of money to go to that show completely aware of those facts then I can safely say I'm happy you have 500 dollars you would feel was happily spent, because a lot of people do NOT feel that way right now. If you want positivity with the WWE come to the NXT Threads, there is a lot of love there. Especially TakeOvers. This board is still plenty of fun, not every thread is negativity but WWE has earned the negative threads they get, but there are plenty of appreciation and positive threads to offset the bad, you just gotta look and add your own takes that's all. |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 23, 2018 7:27:09 GMT -5
I would have gone to the Manhattan Center show if you told me what was booked. I'd pay 500$ to sit that close to Taker and Dx. You guys are complaining over nothing. That's why I've completely tuned out of this forum and barely posted lately. This message board used to be fun. I used to feel like you liked the product. I guess I'll keep enjoying my show I guess. You're in he scant minority there. A five minute DX interview and a two minute Taker spot fluffed around a few 205 matches while watching TV for three hours doesn't seem "worth $500" to a lot of people. The outrage seems to indicate that. When there's refund chants during your show you're not putting on a good product whether it's $800 a ticket or $8 a ticket. |
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Post by chronocross on Jan 23, 2018 7:29:17 GMT -5
Did the Manhattan Center get a dark match main event at least?
Voicing your displeasure over a show does not mean you’re negative, I paid close to $300 for my Wrestlemania ticket, I know if I paid that amount and only got some 205 Live matches I don’t care about and a few interviews I’d be pissed.
Maybe if they had announced a feature bout for the Manhattan Center it would not have been as bad.
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cjb01: Limited Edition Item!
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Jan 23, 2018 7:31:12 GMT -5
Did the Manhattan Center get a dark match main event at least? Don't know, but someone was front row at the Barclay's in my Rate Poll and they said they didn't get a Dark Match main, their Main Event aside from Braun wrecking shit was Slater and Rhyno vs Titus and Crews... yikes. |
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Sephiroth
Wade Wilson
Surviving
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 23, 2018 8:06:48 GMT -5
There were several moments that could easily have been moved from one venue to the other; the past GM’s, past women, and Peep Show all could have been done from Manhattan withoutvdiluting the main show at Barclsy’s all that much. On that same note the Bray Wyatt/Hardy match could have been better done at Barclay’s.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Jan 23, 2018 8:16:14 GMT -5
As I said in the show thread I think it was probably more of an even split when the format was laid out. But then a combination of factors had them eventually pretty much take everything from the Manhattan Center to Barclays.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jan 23, 2018 8:24:46 GMT -5
They should have just had the Manhattan Center be the nostalgia show. That isn't to say you can't have big moments at the Barclays, but given you have a huge PPV in a week, there is a lot you can do there with current guys. Have some old school matches, all the interview segments, etc. there. Don't do 205 Lite.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 23, 2018 8:25:26 GMT -5
Barclay's got f***ed too, and you have to figure that when you add up the two shows you don't exactly get a full episode of Raw in any kind of satisfying way. Aside from the Roman/Miz match and maybe the womens' four-way tag match the rest of even the televised show's matches were pretty dire. Short tag nothings and Bray killing Matt on a weird, flat finish in four minutes with no payoff or development. Some in-ring nostalgia segments that slowly wore out their welcome and appeal as the night went on. In front of one crowd it would have been a Raw that wouldn't have played well on TV but probably been pretty fun to watch. For two paying audiences who didn't even get a full episode and most of it was kinda naff, this was a colossal f***-up.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Jan 23, 2018 8:33:43 GMT -5
I would have gone to the Manhattan Center show if you told me what was booked. I'd pay 500$ to sit that close to Taker and Dx. The only time I'm paying $500 just to sit near Undertaker and Triple H and watch them talk is on a flight. At least I'm getting something back for my money that way and not just paying to watch Raw on a tv screen. |
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Post by cabbageboy on Jan 23, 2018 8:45:22 GMT -5
I didn't hate the show as much as some but I can see being frustrated if I had been at the Manhattan Center. Personally I would have just booked the venue solely for this Raw and not done the Barclays. But of course they needed to be greedy and get another big gate.
The problem I had on a lesser level was that the nostalgia made no sense and was all over the map. Stuff like Austin stunning Shane to a face pop while the current storyline involves Owens and Zayn attacking Shane as heels. Or some of the people there. Brother Love was not a Raw era character, but really someone from the 1988-90 time period. Ted Dibiase I guess was around as a manager during the early Raw years but his WWF peak was 1988-92. It was fun to see Ross and Lawler even in a reduced role, but they were not an announce team during the Manhattan Center era (nor was DX a faction that far back). Lawler and Vince would have been closer to the Manhattan Center era. Or Mean Gene interviewing Styles. Gene was basically gone from the company and in WCW by 1994 and I don't recall him doing much on the early Raws.
The big question thus becomes why do this show a week before the Rumble? This show should have been done 2 weeks ago or something, with this week's Raw being a strong go home for the Rumble.
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ronin705
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Post by ronin705 on Jan 23, 2018 9:32:24 GMT -5
They should've had roster guys like Orton, nakamura, roode and so on during the dark segments before TV. If they didn't, they're just dumb at business
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jan 23, 2018 10:29:21 GMT -5
Did this thread turn into complaining about people not liking the show?
Love when that happens.
How dare all of you not like the show. You should all be ashamed. Now apologize to the people who liked the show because they're who we have to cater to. Start apologizing.
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