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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 27, 2018 21:02:28 GMT -5
I finally got around to seeing the new Star Wars movie and couldn’t help but think of how much war the Star Wars galaxy has seen. Really it seems like every period in it is a period of instability. They may have a few years of peace, but then it’s right back to war. How much governing can really take place in such brief spurts of time? How much can any new ideas helpful to humanity really have time to unfold and flourish?
If the Jedi were really that great you’d think they’d be able to bring true stability to their galaxy for a lengthy period of time. Even 100 years is not that long in the grand scheme of things. Whenever the Sith or whoever is in charge there is clear much suffering going on in the galaxy. Then when something like the First Order comes along there are cases where it looks like suffering were happening all along. I guess you could say that the Jedi’s job isn’t to end suffering but to bring balance to it all. Is this really worth holding in high regard though? Maybe a successful merchant may think so, but I doubt a junk trader would.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 21:07:40 GMT -5
They're keepers of the peace, not soldiers.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 27, 2018 21:08:41 GMT -5
Ancient weapons and a hokey religion are no match for a good blaster at your side.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 21:13:16 GMT -5
Ancient weapons and a hokey religion are no match for a good blaster at your side. Blasters are clumsy and random. Not as elegant as a lightsaber. |
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 27, 2018 21:35:16 GMT -5
They're keepers of the peace, not soldiers. Someone tell them that. Every episode they kill people and are constantly at war. They are meant to keep the peace. But they do a shitty job at it. Even when if you have to fight to keep the peace, the fighting should end for an extended period of time at some point. It’s like a police unit being tasked with cutting down burglaries. Burglaries are happening all the time for months on end. The police unit tries and tries and eventually all the criminals are put away. Then a few days later the burglaries start up again and are arguably even worse than before. Is that really a neighborhood you want to live in? Should the policeman really be cherished for essentially allowing things to be just as chaotic as they’ve always been. I’m sure they have this in the expanded universe, but I’d really like to see a movie based in the Star Wars Galaxy (not the main series) about good things a government the Jedi helped get into power did. Not just standalone scenes like we get in the main series that are dumb downed to things like, “Oh yeah the Empire is evil because Palpatine is a dictator and dictators aren’t good.” However, dictators can get good things accomplished just like democracies are capable of evil. Not saying that the Empire was good (they clearly weren’t), but that doesn’t necessarily make the Jedi backed governments good. Like it would be nice to see a 90 minute movie based in the Star Wars universe about an average Joe’s life and how it is effected by all the changes taking place throughout the course of the series. As it seems by the main series the average Joe in the Star Wars series has something to thank the Jedi for as the governments they help put in power (despite supposedly being peace keepers) are supposed to be good for them. Yet they must be a little wary as they know this peace is fleeting. And they must live in terror knowing that there planet can be blown up as has happened on the Jedi’s Watch. There may be balance in the galaxy but clearly not on individual worlds. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Jan 27, 2018 21:38:33 GMT -5
More than a few civilians might not be happy about having a cult-like, self governing, extrajudicial and paramilitary force of guys with superhuman fighting abilities running around either. They even use child soldiers.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Jan 27, 2018 21:40:35 GMT -5
Let them pass in peace. Let them pass in peace.
The Force is with me. And I am with the Force. And I fear nothing, for all is as the Force wills it.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 27, 2018 21:43:43 GMT -5
Until The Clone Wars, there was a period of 1,000 years of relative peace outside of a regional conflict here and there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 22:07:05 GMT -5
Let them pass in peace. Let them pass in peace. The Force is with me. And I am with the Force. And I fear nothing, for all is as the Force wills it. Peace is an illusion, there is only conflict. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 22:10:32 GMT -5
What's the point of having a laser sword during peace times?
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Jan 27, 2018 22:42:16 GMT -5
What's the point of having a laser sword during peace times? It's a symbol of being a part of a privileged class. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 3:46:24 GMT -5
What's the point of having a laser sword during peace times? To keep people from starting shit. You might not rob that 7-11 if the cops are gonna show up with magic powers and laser swords. |
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Post by Goldenbane on Jan 28, 2018 12:58:09 GMT -5
Let them pass in peace. Let them pass in peace. The Force is with me. And I am with the Force. And I fear nothing, for all is as the Force wills it. Peace is an illusion, there is only conflict. Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion I gain Strength. Through Strength I gain Power. Through Power I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 28, 2018 13:26:34 GMT -5
They suck, and so do the Sith.
The population of the SW galaxy would be sick and tired of Force users, since all they do is cause problems, and are inept or dangerous when given any power or authority.
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Post by hossfan on Jan 28, 2018 13:34:41 GMT -5
I was always under the impression the vast majority of the galaxy thought the idea of the Force was a bunch of hokum, and the Jedi weren't really all that important in the scheme of things.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jan 28, 2018 14:23:59 GMT -5
Part of the entire point of the Prequels and TLJ are that The Jedi are as ineffective as an organisation as the Sith are evil.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 28, 2018 15:21:57 GMT -5
Until The Clone Wars, there was a period of 1,000 years of relative peace outside of a regional conflict here and there. Yeah, that's why Lucas had them so easily duped in the Prequels. The Jedi pretty much became complacent as they never had to really do much since they instilled peace from the earlier wars. It wasn't handled well (which is pretty much what could be said about ANY aspect of the prequels) but that was what Lucas was going for. |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 28, 2018 15:32:50 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Jan 28, 2018 16:07:26 GMT -5
Until The Clone Wars, there was a period of 1,000 years of relative peace outside of a regional conflict here and there. Yeah, that's why Lucas had them so easily duped in the Prequels. The Jedi pretty much became complacent as they never had to really do much since they instilled peace from the earlier wars. It wasn't handled well (which is pretty much what could be said about ANY aspect of the prequels) but that was what Lucas was going for. That and they also became very dogmatic and conservative in their complacency. The Jedi as an organization in the prequels were close-minded to new ideas and different philosophies about the nature of the Force. It's why someone like Qui-Gon Jinn, who was an adherent of the Living Force and focusing on the moment instead of focusing only on the long-term, was considered a radical among the Jedi Council. Also didn't help them that there was an old Sith temple that the Jedi built their temple on top of when the Sith briefly ruled Coruscant during the old Sith Wars that predate the Galactic Republic in the movies (aka, the Old Republic). Palpatine knew about this Sith temple and used the latent Dark Side power there to cloud the Jedis' own powers and judgment. It's why they had such a tough time figuring out Palpatine was Darth Sidious until it was too late. |
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Post by Goldenbane on Jan 28, 2018 17:41:26 GMT -5
Yeah, that's why Lucas had them so easily duped in the Prequels. The Jedi pretty much became complacent as they never had to really do much since they instilled peace from the earlier wars. It wasn't handled well (which is pretty much what could be said about ANY aspect of the prequels) but that was what Lucas was going for. That and they also became very dogmatic and conservative in their complacency. The Jedi as an organization in the prequels were close-minded to new ideas and different philosophies about the nature of the Force. It's why someone like Qui-Gon Jinn, who was an adherent of the Living Force and focusing on the moment instead of focusing only on the long-term, was considered a radical among the Jedi Council. Also didn't help them that there was an old Sith temple that the Jedi built their temple on top of when the Sith briefly ruled Coruscant during the old Sith Wars that predate the Galactic Republic in the movies (aka, the Old Republic). Palpatine knew about this Sith temple and used the latent Dark Side power there to cloud the Jedis' own powers and judgment. It's why they had such a tough time figuring out Palpatine was Darth Sidious until it was too late. This all would have been nice to know, if they'd explained it in the movies. I was under the impression for the longest time that numbers was the factor. Like, the force has only so much power. When you have thousands upon thousands of people drawing from it, each person is lesser and weaker. The dark side, on the other hand, only ever had 2 people drawing from it, and so the power reserves for them were astronomical. What you're saying makes a good deal more sense. |
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