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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2020 20:45:49 GMT -5
It was fine.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Dec 25, 2020 21:58:31 GMT -5
Not as good as the last one but decent. I liked the villain more than the last one. There was more stupidity in this one. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}The car chase/armored car chase scene--while fun to look at, was also Fast and Furious movies levels of dumb--like the taxi eating millions of bullets yet still keeping up with the column.
Also stealing the fighter jet confused me. I thought it was an air museum they were at, since their were old properller planes there. Yet the plane was full of fuel and ready to go. Which means it was a military base .... that still had WW2 planes on the runway. And then, with the pilot being amazed that planes can fly to Egypt without refuelling they steal a fighter jet that would need to stop to refuel.
Finally, when it comes to the villains plan {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}My big issue is nobody wished for anything stupid. Think about it--if some guy appeared on the TV screen granting wishes, 90 percent of people would wish for something as dumb as f*** to see if it would happen or on the spur of a moment. Then there's kids watching who would say "I wish I had a T-Rex" or "I wish my dog was 10-foot tall" or "I want a giant robot to ride on"
The fact we didn't see stupid wishes was disappointed. I wanted someone to be chatting with their dog. Or a T-rex to go running by or other stupidity.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Dec 25, 2020 22:27:39 GMT -5
Gave me a real Iron Man 3 vibe; it wasn't a bad movie, parts of it were good but on the whole it just wasn't very engaging at all.
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Post by Scooterdust on Dec 25, 2020 23:00:14 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}While the premise of the wish granting was hokey, we actually get a redemption arc of a villain within a movie, one that's actually believable, where Max Lord actually learns you don't have to have everything to have everything.
That being said, Kristen Wiig was the standout clearly, and while she is gifted in the dramatic roles she takes, she plays Cheetah with that doubt that a primarily comedic actor has when taking a role in a huge action film. Kudos to Patty Jenkins and crew for not relying on Wiig's comedic chops, allowing us to see Wiig's range in roles like these. I can now see her as a female supervillain.
Chris Pine wasn't necessary here, at all. That was the biggest inconsistency, that how did he end up in that guy? I expected to get a Peggy's Niece situation where the guy turns out to be a relative of Steve's.
I will say it had me confused over when Barbara makes her wish to be like Diana, but what did take from Barbara? Seemed like it took from Diana twice in that instance.
Yeah, the movie is filled with inconsistencies, but as it's just filler essentially until Dawn of Justice, I think I can forgive it given the circumstances of the world and allowing me to forget about the troubles of said world for 2 hours or so.
Was anyone else thinking where Clark Kent's growing-up years in Man of Steel take place in accordance with this, and wondering if somewhere there was a scene wishing for a Superman to help, and on top of that, I think this could've been a great launching off point for SuperGirl. You can see the potential there to keep the DCCU alive, but it just isn't capitalized on, which I guess is fair given the nature of everything, and the fact that The Suicide Squad is the next DCCU movie coming down the pike, because clearly The Batman isn't going to be that *twinkle* in DCCU fans' eyes.
Well, that's my piece. There's many good things here, but there's also many bad things, but then again, that's never stopped me from enjoying a movie. See it and make your own judgments. As a separate stand-alone Wonder Woman film, it succeeds, but comes up way short in terms of being a vital part of the DC Cinematic Universe, except for showing us the invisible jet, which I don't think we ever see in previous on-screen appearances, and showing us how Diana mastered flight (and if she had Asteria's armor, where was it against Doomsday? One of those times it comes up short)
Okay, I'm done, I swear.
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Post by ronin705 on Dec 25, 2020 23:03:18 GMT -5
Ok so im seeing people claim rape since steve isnt actually homeboy. Thoughts??
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Post by Cyno on Dec 25, 2020 23:10:19 GMT -5
{Spoiler}To address the post above:
Diana wished for Steve to come back. He came back to life in that guy. Why that guy? No clue. Probably just happenstance. Diana was losing what made her a demigod in return.
As for Barbara, she gained Diana's powers but lost her sense of morality, inhibitions, and eventually her humanity. Power corrupts and all. Overall, I liked the movie a lot. I thought the first one was better overall, but this was plenty enjoyable. The villains were also a lot better in this one even if the plot was weaker. Kristen Wiig in particular was great. She's got much better non-comedic acting chops than I expected. The stinger was also great.
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Post by DerktheDerk on Dec 25, 2020 23:29:07 GMT -5
I really want to watch this, but that 2.5 hour runtime is a barrier.
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Post by koreycaskets on Dec 25, 2020 23:29:52 GMT -5
Not a huge Wonder Woman fan but a local theater just put up a HUGE poster of this movie on the side of the building. Looks awesome !!
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 26, 2020 0:32:30 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty clear they weren't even really making an attempt to fit it into a shared universe thing. That's pretty well dead and has been. It's why they've learned so heavily into branding stuff as a multiverse. They can try and make it fit into some larger universe if they want to, if not? Eh, multiverse.
Like this one timeline wise wouldn't fit with the Wonder Woman who had apparently not even been seen for nearly a hundred years before fighting Doomsday, but they didn't try to. Hell, even with Gal playing the character in all the movies the Jenkins Wonder Woman and the Snyder WW almost seem like different characters.
This movie itself, I liked it didn't love it. Some cool stuff but for some reason it didn't really connect with me beyond "Yeah this is pretty good." Kinda like I felt about Aquaman.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Dec 26, 2020 0:44:51 GMT -5
Someone on Twitter summed up my thoughts perfectly: it’s a bad movie where everyone acted their asses off. Pedro Pascal f***in killed it. He had an award winning performance. Kristen Wiig was great too and I’ve never really liked any of her stuff (I admittedly haven’t seen much.) Chris Pine and Gal Gadot had great chemistry.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 26, 2020 0:57:13 GMT -5
I really want to watch this, but that 2.5 hour runtime is a barrier. Being able to watch a new theatrical release at home looking more like a boon all the time.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 26, 2020 1:55:51 GMT -5
Wonder Woman vs Wishmaster.
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Post by Glitch on Dec 26, 2020 5:11:13 GMT -5
It was a good movie, but not for those expecting a lot of action. If you took out the superhero elements, I think it would have worked as a super natural adventure film.
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 26, 2020 7:25:21 GMT -5
This was not as good as the first, but I did enjoy it. However... {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Maxwell Lord was completely unnecessary. You could have done the exact same movie, and have it be about an hour shorter, without his subplot.
Just focus on the wishing stone. Diana makes the first wish, bringing Steve back to life, but slowly losing her godhood the longer he lives.
Barbara then holds the wishing stone for the rest of the film. Her first wish to be like Diana. She gives up her soul in return, "I'd sell my soul to be like her". Which better explain why she becomes more cruel as the film goes on.
I'd have Barbara find out Diana is Wonder Woman, and tries to be a hero, too. Putting on a costume of a cheetah and trying to be a hero. Unlike Diana, Barbara wants people to know of her, and embraces the spotlight. But, she goes too far and kills the criminals she faces. But she's reckless, and innocents are also harmed.
Like the actual film, Steve convinced Diana to take back her wish, and Steve dies again. But Diana has her godhood back to settle things with Barbara.
In the climax, Barbara makes another wish to be the apex predator, like in the actual film. Giving up her humanity to become The Cheetah in full.
The battle happens much like it did in the film, with Diana pleading with Barbara to take back her wishes, and Barbara refusing. Leading to Diana electrocuting Barbara.
Since the wishing stone is a symbol of lies, the only thing that can destroy it is a symbol of truth. Diana ties the stone in the lasso of truth just as Barbara regains consciousness to see the stone destroyed. Maybe a typical villian "NO! What have you done?" as Barbara reverts to bring human.
Wrap it up with Diana serving Barbara to the police where she's arrested , not only for the criminals she murdered, but for the innocents harmed due to her recklessness.
This film had a lot of potential. It just didn't live up to it.
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Post by thechase on Dec 26, 2020 7:56:07 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I just finished it, and yes, it is more about the style...but Christ there's so much darn whimsey in this. It's very much in the tone of Whedon Justice League, both in humour and presentation, than the very Snyder dictated grit, natural humour/chemistry of co-leads, and colour grade of the first movie. {Spoiler}Gadot and Pine are fine in the movie, I liked their dynamic and Steve had agency, so it wasn't as badly 'woke' as I thought it was going to be...but the film structurally falls to pieces at the end, much like the first movie did.
The opening flashback to Diana's children needn't have been there, sure it sets up the "a hero's world cannot be built on lies" but...eh, you can learn that just as well if the movie were one hour and thirty minutes. Everything leading up to that run time and even beyond feels like incessant padding, slow scene after slow scene setting up things that visually we could easily deduce would come one after the other.
There's no real motive for Barbara to be a b*tch to anyone despite her rise to power other than maybe "I'll pick on those who picked on me", she just becomes ones...and is there any real insight into what becomes of her after her electrocution? No, she's just sitting there at the end looking dazed and confused.
And just what was the point of Zimmer throwing in some of the score for Batman V Superman for the ending? It's such a lazy add-on to the film's climax, which itself is a bit of a Disney ending
So you lose powers pursuing a doomed relationship, and things reverse backwards after the wishes are renounced...two things borrowed from two Superman movies. Given Geoff Johns co-wrote this, I'm not surprised he borrowed from his former boss Mr. Donner's supreme works yet again.
And that last scene had to have been a reshoot right? For f***'s sake, it's a Hallmark moment made just because they knew the film was coming out at Christmas right?
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 26, 2020 8:20:03 GMT -5
This was not as good as the first, but I did enjoy it. However... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Maxwell Lord was completely unnecessary. You could have done the exact same movie, and have it be about an hour shorter, without his subplot.
Just focus on the wishing stone. Diana makes the first wish, bringing Steve back to life, but slowly losing her godhood the longer he lives.
Barbara then holds the wishing stone for the rest of the film. Her first wish to be like Diana. She gives up her soul in return, "I'd sell my soul to be like her". Which better explain why she becomes more cruel as the film goes on.
I'd have Barbara find out Diana is Wonder Woman, and tries to be a hero, too. Putting on a costume of a cheetah and trying to be a hero. Unlike Diana, Barbara wants people to know of her, and embraces the spotlight. But, she goes too far and kills the criminals she faces. But she's reckless, and innocents are also harmed.
Like the actual film, Steve convinced Diana to take back her wish, and Steve dies again. But Diana has her godhood back to settle things with Barbara.
In the climax, Barbara makes another wish to be the apex predator, like in the actual film. Giving up her humanity to become The Cheetah in full.
The battle happens much like it did in the film, with Diana pleading with Barbara to take back her wishes, and Barbara refusing. Leading to Diana electrocuting Barbara.
Since the wishing stone is a symbol of lies, the only thing that can destroy it is a symbol of truth. Diana ties the stone in the lasso of truth just as Barbara regains consciousness to see the stone destroyed. Maybe a typical villian "NO! What have you done?" as Barbara reverts to bring human.
Wrap it up with Diana serving Barbara to the police where she's arrested , not only for the criminals she murdered, but for the innocents harmed due to her recklessness.
This film had a lot of potential. It just didn't live up to it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Honestly it just seems like a waste to do Maxwell Lord and not give him telepathy. If the wishing stone had to be the plot MacGuffin, make Maxwell's wish to be given his telepathy, you can still do many of the film's plot beats without the hokey monkey's paw aesop it constantly hammered home. There's so much more potential they could have done with Max directly controlling people instead of just all these backfiring wishes, and the film really, really could have done without a lot of the globetrotting stuff. Since I felt Steve basically didn't really serve too much use to the plot, I'd just cut him out entirely, personally speaking. Retool the Cheetah subplot to be a continuing escalation in power for Cheetah. Borrowing your idea that she gives up her soul to be "like" Diana, with the twist on her wish being not only is she getting crueler, but she still isn't strong enough to match Diana. Sure she is faster than the normal human, stronger, more durable, but due to her vague wording in her wish, she isn't exactly on par, not quite yet. That's when she'll decide to make another wish and asks to be like an apex predator, and this exchanges her humanity to go full Cheetah. I do like your idea of Cheetah spending a bit of the film being a kind of anti-hero in practice while trying to be a genuine hero in intention, and using the lasso on the stone, like you suggested, is a genius move too, something they technically did in the film because Max was still the stone itself at the time, but of course under my own spin on this he wouldn't have been a living stone.
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Post by horsemen4ever on Dec 26, 2020 8:46:05 GMT -5
This was not as good as the first, but I did enjoy it. However... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Maxwell Lord was completely unnecessary. You could have done the exact same movie, and have it be about an hour shorter, without his subplot.
Just focus on the wishing stone. Diana makes the first wish, bringing Steve back to life, but slowly losing her godhood the longer he lives.
Barbara then holds the wishing stone for the rest of the film. Her first wish to be like Diana. She gives up her soul in return, "I'd sell my soul to be like her". Which better explain why she becomes more cruel as the film goes on.
I'd have Barbara find out Diana is Wonder Woman, and tries to be a hero, too. Putting on a costume of a cheetah and trying to be a hero. Unlike Diana, Barbara wants people to know of her, and embraces the spotlight. But, she goes too far and kills the criminals she faces. But she's reckless, and innocents are also harmed.
Like the actual film, Steve convinced Diana to take back her wish, and Steve dies again. But Diana has her godhood back to settle things with Barbara.
In the climax, Barbara makes another wish to be the apex predator, like in the actual film. Giving up her humanity to become The Cheetah in full.
The battle happens much like it did in the film, with Diana pleading with Barbara to take back her wishes, and Barbara refusing. Leading to Diana electrocuting Barbara.
Since the wishing stone is a symbol of lies, the only thing that can destroy it is a symbol of truth. Diana ties the stone in the lasso of truth just as Barbara regains consciousness to see the stone destroyed. Maybe a typical villian "NO! What have you done?" as Barbara reverts to bring human.
Wrap it up with Diana serving Barbara to the police where she's arrested , not only for the criminals she murdered, but for the innocents harmed due to her recklessness.
This film had a lot of potential. It just didn't live up to it. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Honestly it just seems like a waste to do Maxwell Lord and not give him telepathy. If the wishing stone had to be the plot MacGuffin, make Maxwell's wish to be given his telepathy, you can still do many of the film's plot beats without the hokey monkey's paw aesop it constantly hammered home. There's so much more potential they could have done with Max directly controlling people instead of just all these backfiring wishes, and the film really, really could have done without a lot of the globetrotting stuff. Since I felt Steve basically didn't really serve too much use to the plot, I'd just cut him out entirely, personally speaking. Retool the Cheetah subplot to be a continuing escalation in power for Cheetah. Borrowing your idea that she gives up her soul to be "like" Diana, with the twist on her wish being not only is she getting crueler, but she still isn't strong enough to match Diana. Sure she is faster than the normal human, stronger, more durable, but due to her vague wording in her wish, she isn't exactly on par, not quite yet. That's when she'll decide to make another wish and asks to be like an apex predator, and this exchanges her humanity to go full Cheetah. I do like your idea of Cheetah spending a bit of the film being a kind of anti-hero in practice while trying to be a genuine hero in intention, and using the lasso on the stone, like you suggested, is a genius move too, something they technically did in the film because Max was still the stone itself at the time, but of course under my own spin on this he wouldn't have been a living stone. {Spoiler} Well I felt for the first half of the movie Barbara is less villain and more comic relief sidekick.
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Post by James Fabiano on Dec 26, 2020 10:12:02 GMT -5
Got to see the first 40 minutes... {Spoiler}Barbara/Cheetah = Selina Kyle/Edward Nygma/Max Dillon.
Is it wrong to call the first 1984 sequence....Superman III-like?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 10:13:36 GMT -5
I the only one who found it incredibly distracting that they opt not to use the Ann part of Cheetah's name? Used to hearing the full thing.
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Post by thechase on Dec 26, 2020 10:22:29 GMT -5
{Spoiler}They should have played the Home Alone theme at the end
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