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Post by jagilki on Mar 9, 2018 9:57:12 GMT -5
I have a friend that works at a call center and they are so desperate for people that they don’t even drug test anymore-I know there’s a big difference between call centers and teaching, but it’s an issue of not paying employees much and being short staffed in both cases THAT explains why when I called about my computer not working the guy on the phone just kept asking me if I tried Meth.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 9, 2018 9:57:36 GMT -5
They apparently have been doing something similar for science teachers in IN already. As someone whose second job is teaching biology at the local community college and is searching for a full time job, that at least got my attention, but the pay isn’t remotely good enough to tolerate teaching high school students.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Mar 9, 2018 10:49:13 GMT -5
They apparently have been doing something similar for science teachers in IN already. As someone whose second job is teaching biology at the local community college and is searching for a full time job, that at least got my attention, but the pay isn’t remotely good enough to tolerate teaching high school students. Ah, teaching experience! Question, then(keeping in mind you said it was a second job) - does a bill like this, especially if it's passed and becomes common practice, make you feel undermined?
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Post by edgestar on Mar 9, 2018 13:22:03 GMT -5
The first time I read the thread title, I thought it meant letting people give driving tests, without their own drivers licenses.. I don't think the world is ready for me giving driving tests, lol. I will never be able to drive, because of my seizures, and me giving those tests would be unintentionally bad.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 13:46:53 GMT -5
I've taken the licensing test. I got a perfect score on it.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WOULD BE ON IT. I didn't bother to study or read the booklet on things that would likely be asked about. I just showed up and took it.
Any f***ing idiot can pass that thing. It's a common sense test.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Mar 9, 2018 14:02:29 GMT -5
The first time I read the thread title, I thought it meant letting people give driving tests, without their own drivers licenses.. I don't think the world is ready for me giving driving tests, lol. I will never be able to drive, because of my seizures, and me giving those tests would be unintentionally bad. Circumstances being what they are, you're not missing anything. My anxiety goes through the roof literally every time I drive, I hate doing it. My wife's not allowed to drive either, so...yeah.
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Post by edgestar on Mar 9, 2018 14:24:58 GMT -5
The first time I read the thread title, I thought it meant letting people give driving tests, without their own drivers licenses.. I don't think the world is ready for me giving driving tests, lol. I will never be able to drive, because of my seizures, and me giving those tests would be unintentionally bad. Circumstances being what they are, you're not missing anything. My anxiety goes through the roof literally every time I drive, I hate doing it. My wife's not allowed to drive either, so...yeah. Before I started having seizures, I went for driving lessons. My teacher gave me a lot of anxiety, and I failed the test, both times I took it.
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Post by Sparkybob on Mar 9, 2018 14:59:41 GMT -5
Why is the American education system so bad? Serious question. Our universities are amazing in terms of what they can do and provide.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Mar 9, 2018 17:09:05 GMT -5
Circumstances being what they are, you're not missing anything. My anxiety goes through the roof literally every time I drive, I hate doing it. My wife's not allowed to drive either, so...yeah. Before I started having seizures, I went for driving lessons. My teacher gave me a lot of anxiety, and I failed the test, both times I took it. Sorry to multi-quote, posting from my phone. Anyway, I think you may be my long-lost sister! I also failed my test twice, although it was my own stupidity as I didn't read the manual and had no idea how to correctly do a turn-about. And yes...it was the same mistake both times.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Mar 9, 2018 23:48:51 GMT -5
They apparently have been doing something similar for science teachers in IN already. As someone whose second job is teaching biology at the local community college and is searching for a full time job, that at least got my attention, but the pay isn’t remotely good enough to tolerate teaching high school students. Ah, teaching experience! Question, then(keeping in mind you said it was a second job) - does a bill like this, especially if it's passed and becomes common practice, make you feel undermined? Not exactly. I would get upset if my college started letting people with BS degrees teach classes. You should be better educated than the people you teach.
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Post by G✇JI☈A on Mar 9, 2018 23:57:20 GMT -5
Remember reading in his autobiography that John Cleese was asked to teach for a short period after finishing school and he was afraid he did not have the experience .. the advise he got was just be one step ahead of the students. As simple as moving your clothes to the lower peg after lunch
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Post by edgestar on Mar 10, 2018 8:51:57 GMT -5
I think I would be a good teacher, so maybe Bill can help a sister out, here
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 10, 2018 9:45:38 GMT -5
Why is the American education system so bad? Serious question. Unlike most nations, our federalized form of government gives a lot of power to our constituent states, and since the establishment of American public education most educational policy making has been done at the local and state level, not the national level. This has led to some positives, but plenty of negatives, as well, as numerous states opt to make cuts to areas like education and public sector union benefits while other states invest more robustly and end up with a much better education system. This has led to many states now having a shortage of educators. I taught in New Jersey public schools for a few years; it's an intensely demanding job, and it's an incredible challenge sometimes to find people who are both well-versed in the subject area they're teaching and in the area of classroom management, which can be an entirely separate skill. New Jersey has long had one of the better educational systems in the country, but even we have major issues over a variety of areas: -Lack of funding for things like retirement and health benefits. Won't get into the political particulars, there, but it's been an ugly past decade or so here on that front. -Low base pay compared with many jobs in the private sector that demand similar educational attainment. When I started out as somebody fresh out of undergraduate in 2007, I got a salary of about $41,000. With benefits that's certainly not bad for starting out, but my pay was only doled out over 10 months of the year and if you live in New Jersey you know that $41,000 is pretty much nothing around here (and I live in northern Jersey, where it's even pricier). I can safely say I didn't know any teachers in their twenties who were single and who didn't at least have a second job to pay all the bills of just trying to live a modest middle class lifestyle; hell, I've now got a Masters degree and am in my fifth year teaching at a private school, and I still work two jobs to pay my mortgage. -Speaking of stuff like the Masters degree, the work inside and outside the school itself is highly demanding, and it takes years before you can adjust to how it impacts everything else in your life. You get "homework" routinely: grading papers and tests, compiling lesson plans, making phone calls outside of school hours, and that's all in a job where you're on your feet just about the entire day with very few breaks (there are legitimate studies involving the adverse effects of teachers not having time to use the bathroom). You might also work after school as a coach/advisor/moderator of a club, a team, an activity, etc. Having a social life during the school year is incredibly tough; I have friends who work in offices in Manhattan who can get home at night, go out until midnight, then be fine the next day for work again, something I'm borderline unable to do at all (going to Mets playoff games in 2015 and operating well at work the next day was a major challenge). Meanwhile, I don't get a solid pay increase without more studying and professional development done outside of work, which is why I'm currently working on my second Masters degree: outside of a brief break between degrees, I will have spent September 2012 through May of 2019 working on them, and my base pay at work still won't hit six figures. Plus, being "on stage" all day for your classes? It's exhausting, man. I spent my first five or so years teaching coming home each day, hitting my couch, and barely being able to move. -The general tone of this era involves a lot of parents no longer asking their kid "what did you do?" when the kid gets into trouble, but rather many of them are quicker now to ask the teacher "what did you do to my kid?" Not all parents are like this, I don't want to come off like I'm saying that, but it's definitely a bigger issue today than it used to be if you talk to anybody who's been a teacher for more than 15 years. This isn't to say it's all terrible, mind you: I get healthcare, I get some time off in the summers, the school helps me with paying for my continued education, and as I teach at a private school I don't have to deal with all the difficulties that often come with public school teaching (though I have to go without union representation and thus get lesser pay and benefits than NJ public teachers). I don't hate my job, that's not at all the message here. But teaching is a job with a ridiculously high turnover rate, and it's because of so many of the things I've mentioned here. Just about half of teachers leave the job after their first three years; some of that is poor teachers being weeded out, but plenty of it involves skilled and smart people who just don't want to be bothered with classroom management issues while they watch their friends in the private sector earn double what they do for less exhausting work. States keep cutting more and more from education, then wonder why teachers don't stick around; they then lean on younger, less experienced, less credentialed people to take those spots, and wonder why they don't get the results they want to see in student achievement.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 10, 2018 12:57:33 GMT -5
I find American education issues both kinda sad and kinda fascinating. I mean I live just north of the border and over here teachers are paid insanely well (to the point of frequently being accused of being overpaid). They have one of the strongest unions in the public sector. If anything the problem we have is that too many people are training to be teachers (hell even I had it as a goal my first year or so of university, as did several of my friends). Not saying Canadian teachers have it 100% rosy (I have a work friend who used to be a teacher and man she could tell you some stories) but the dichotomy with the yanks is really interesting.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 10, 2018 13:15:48 GMT -5
Why is the American education system so bad? Serious question. I blame it on Supernintendo Chalmers
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on Mar 10, 2018 14:50:28 GMT -5
Why is the American education system so bad? Serious question. I blame it on Supernintendo Chalmers Are you sure it's not Armin Tamzarian's fault?
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Post by chrom on Mar 10, 2018 14:53:32 GMT -5
I blame it on Supernintendo Chalmers Are you sure it's not Armin Tamzarian's fault? We all agreed to never speak of him again remember?
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Mar 10, 2018 16:36:37 GMT -5
Yeah this isn't going to end well.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Mar 10, 2018 17:06:32 GMT -5
The state I live in is known for having some of the worst public schools in the nation. Jr High I went to for 9th grade was considered one of the worst jr highs in the US. Most of that was because as long as the football teams did good the school board didn't care.
My 9th grade year my English teacher showed up a total of 20 days that school year. He had been teaching for years and had built up piles of vacation and sick time. The first 2 months of school that year we had a sub.
The same school district has issues keeping good math teachers. Mostly cause the math teachers can go work at any of the chemical plants in the area make double the money and get better benefits.
I thought about becoming a teacher,but realized after being a sub a few times that I don't have the patience for it.
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Post by bob on Mar 10, 2018 23:24:31 GMT -5
So I can move there now, and opt out of yhevollege I’m attending now 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
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