Bill may let some teach without a license

[willywonka666]

www.14news.com/story/37673118/unlicensed-teacher-bill-could-alleviate-teacher-shortage-not-all-schools-on-board

"10% of prospective teachers who graduate are unable to pass the licensing test. This is not because they are bad students but because they aren't good test takers"

That's the argument.


This is what it's coming to because of the teacher shortage. Now the schools don't have to hire these people, but you know some will.

[Alyce: Old Media Enthusiast]

Get ready for a paddlin' Indiana

[WoodStoner1]

Well isn't that nice of this Bill fellow!

[Spider2024]

Mar 8, 2018 9:05:00 GMT -5 WoodStoner1 said:

Well isn't that nice of this Bill fellow!

Was about to say 'is this some sort of King Of The Hill thread?'

[Limity (BLM)]

Shortage or no, there's no way I'd ever work as a teacher. Bad kids and worse parents...more power to those that can. You're needed.

[Ultimo Gallos]

Yea the pay for teachers is so low compared to what they have to put up with. I remember the hell teachers caught 20+ years ago when I was finishing school. Can;t imagine what crap the kids put the teachers through now.

[OGBoardPoster2005]

So...I can do my teaching in Indiana by next Fall instead of getting my Grad School degree?

[willywonka666]

I have a friend that works at a call center and they are so desperate for people that they don’t even drug test anymore-I know there’s a big difference between call centers and teaching, but it’s an issue of not paying employees much and being short staffed in both cases

[Red Impact]

My state is one o the worst in the nation in terms of education. They've been handing out emergency certifications to anyone with a bachelor's degree because the pay is so awful that a 30 year veteran is making less than a new grad one state over (pick a state, doesn't matter).

I'd point out the reason for a lot of this, but board rules are specific. I'll just say that when you don't pay people a living wage, you don't get the best to stay unless they just have a really vested interest in the location

[Natural Born Farmer]

Mar 8, 2018 9:40:51 GMT -5 Ultimo Gallos said:

Yea the pay for teachers is so low compared to what they have to put up with. I remember the hell teachers caught 20+ years ago when I was finishing school. Can;t imagine what crap the kids put the teachers through now.

Ive heard that a lot and always assumed it was true, but reading stories about the WV teachers strike, it looks like they were making about 47-55 against a national average of 57-65. Those aren’t enormous numbers but they’re hardly “donating plasma to pay the bills” amounts. I think anyone willing to deal with kids AND their parents is underpaid, but i’m also not sure why it’s perceived as such a low paying job.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Mar 8, 2018 15:30:28 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

My state is one o the worst in the nation in terms of education. They've been handing out emergency certifications to anyone with a bachelor's degree because the pay is so awful that a 30 year veteran is making less than a new grad one state over (pick a state, doesn't matter).

I'd point out the reason for a lot of this, but board rules are specific. I'll just say that when you don't pay people a living wage, you don't get the best to stay unless they just have a really vested interest in the location

Ohhhhhh-klahoma where the schools are open four days a week

[Natural Born Farmer]

Mar 8, 2018 16:12:29 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

Mar 8, 2018 15:30:28 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

My state is one o the worst in the nation in terms of education. They've been handing out emergency certifications to anyone with a bachelor's degree because the pay is so awful that a 30 year veteran is making less than a new grad one state over (pick a state, doesn't matter).

I'd point out the reason for a lot of this, but board rules are specific. I'll just say that when you don't pay people a living wage, you don't get the best to stay unless they just have a really vested interest in the location

Ohhhhhh-klahoma where the schools are open four days a week

They’ve got more important things to worry about than finding a budget that works or making their school system more than a joke. Like passing bills to ban Sharia law! (Sorry if that breaks any board rules).

[OldDirtyBernie]

Mar 8, 2018 11:31:14 GMT -5 willywonka666 said:

I have a friend that works at a call center and they are so desperate for people that they don’t even drug test anymore-I know there’s a big difference between call centers and teaching, but it’s an issue of not paying employees much and being short staffed in both cases

Call centers are notorious for high turnover anyway, although I'm sure it's dependent on the type of work at each specific center.
The work is tedious, you're sitting all the time, and agents take a LOT of abuse - I'd actually say moreso than retail workers since people feel more comfortable acting that way when they aren't face to face. However, I've been paid fairly well at most of the centers I worked in. The best was at Citi, where they begin collections agents at about $12/hr(this was also 10ish years ago) with yearly raises and benefits from day one, including health, dental, vision, 40 hours of paid "planned" time off, and 24 hours of paid "unplanned" sick time.

[Surfer Sandman]

Pretty sad if you ask me.

This will lead to people that are unfit to teach injecting schools with their conspiracy theories and such.

The rot is worse than thought.

[Heartbreaker]

Why is the American education system so bad?

Serious question.

[Alice Syndrome]

Education board is like:

[willywonka666]

I wonder now, with teachers striking because they're getting messed over financially, if the states will just bring in those that didn't pass the tests, to take their place. Most good teachers would freak out at this prospect.

I also wonder, if the ones that can't pass the tests are getting paid as much-they certainly don't deserve it

[FinalGwen]

And doesn't this just dovetail beautifully/horrifyingly with the prospect of arming teachers in the classroom?

[thirteen3]

Mar 8, 2018 21:54:05 GMT -5 Heartbreaker said:

Why is the American education system so bad?

Serious question.

Simplest answer and least offensive (maybe?) is that Americans don't like paying taxes and always want a cut after an election cycle. Lower taxes leads to shittier social services which includes education.

To the Mods, If this post skirts the politics rule then just delete it.

[edgestar]

When they're taking the test, can't they just look over and copy the other students papers? Lol