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Post by Error on Mar 23, 2018 18:45:32 GMT -5
Well Dr.Maroon is answering to Vince. Those other Doctors are not. They have different thresholds for acceptance. At what point is "no evidence of brain damage" not the definitive threshold? These three doctors just made Maroon look like a quack, and WWE idiots for employing him. In the wake of having hundreds of people suing them over CTE and concussions, I think it was the legal team saying no than anyone else. I don't think it is no coincidence that a few months after getting all but 2 thrown out, Bryan gets a second look and release.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Mar 23, 2018 18:50:21 GMT -5
Yeah, if this is coming from the guy who diagnosed Benoit's brain, I'd say this pretty much closes the book.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 23, 2018 18:52:29 GMT -5
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 23, 2018 18:55:26 GMT -5
Wasn’t the story always the the only doctors that wouldn’t clear Bryan, were ones employed by WWE? If that’s the case, and with what this doctor is saying, the “WWE only sidelined Bryan so he wouldn’t overshadow Roman” theories are only going to become more prevalent. I mean, no sign of brain damage is pretty incredible. And from what I understand, there’s no cure for CTE. Once you have it, you have it. It’s just all rather curious. He just happens to get cleared before the biggest show of the year, in a year when his contract is up. Not says I 100% believe this. But I certainly don’t dismiss it. I get what you're saying, but with the brand split, it doesn't strike me as plausible. They have had plenty of opportunity to keep Bryan and Roman apart, so if that was it, that doesn't really impress me as evidence of this plot. What I am curious about is, if his brain's not beaten up, then what was with the seizure? That's kinda scary if they don't have a diagnosis to explain that, in lieu of brain damage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 19:02:46 GMT -5
At this point, this pretty much ends the "But he has a family, dammit!" objections to his comeback, yes? Like...this is crazy news. Sorry, I'm keeping that up and I'll be damned if I change my mind. I think it's convenient how he has no brain damage whatsoever in the explanation.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Mar 23, 2018 19:05:24 GMT -5
At this point, this pretty much ends the "But he has a family, dammit!" objections to his comeback, yes? Like...this is crazy news. Sorry, I'm keeping that up and I'll be damned if I change my mind. I think it's convenient how he has no brain damage whatsoever in the explanation. What does a world renowned brain doctor have to gain by saying this though? It's not like Dr. Cantu is just making this up.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 23, 2018 19:05:28 GMT -5
At this point, this pretty much ends the "But he has a family, dammit!" objections to his comeback, yes? Like...this is crazy news. Sorry, I'm keeping that up and I'll be damned if I change my mind. I think it's convenient how he has no brain damage whatsoever in the explanation. I would be fascinated to see your medical credentials, then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 19:07:46 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm keeping that up and I'll be damned if I change my mind. I think it's convenient how he has no brain damage whatsoever in the explanation. I would be fascinated to see your medical credentials, then. I'm not a medical doctor. But I still think there's more to it than that. If I'm the only one here that wished Bryan wouldn't go back into the ring, so be it. Sorry for actually worrying.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 23, 2018 19:09:16 GMT -5
I would be fascinated to see your medical credentials, then. I'm not a medical doctor. But I still think there's more to it than that. If I'm the only one here that wished Bryan wouldn't go back into the ring, so be it. Sorry for actually worrying. What do three world-renown medical doctors have to gain by.....lying about the dude's brain? You tell me that, and then, fine, worry. But there's not a single thing they gain, and if it's outed, they lose everything. So....your conspiracy theory makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 19:10:42 GMT -5
I'm not a medical doctor. But I still think there's more to it than that. If I'm the only one here that wished Bryan wouldn't go back into the ring, so be it. Sorry for actually worrying. What do three world-renown medical doctors have to gain by.....lying about the dude's brain? You tell me that, and then, fine, worry. But there's not a single thing they gain, and if it's outed, they lose everything. So....your conspiracy theory makes no sense. Can't I just tell people I'm not comfortable seeing him return to action?
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 23, 2018 19:11:45 GMT -5
What do three world-renown medical doctors have to gain by.....lying about the dude's brain? You tell me that, and then, fine, worry. But there's not a single thing they gain, and if it's outed, they lose everything. So....your conspiracy theory makes no sense. Can't I just tell people I'm not comfortable seeing him return to action? When you couch it in sanctimony about "He has a family" and "Well, there's clearly a conspiracy afoot because the facts disagree with my perception"....no, it's not a good look.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 19:13:18 GMT -5
Can't I just tell people I'm not comfortable seeing him return to action? When you couch it in sanctimony about "He has a family" and "Well, there's clearly a conspiracy afoot because the facts disagree with my perception"....no, it's not a good look. Oh, so I'm wrong and selfish for thinking that way?
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Post by Perd on Mar 23, 2018 19:13:43 GMT -5
Wasn’t the story always the the only doctors that wouldn’t clear Bryan, were ones employed by WWE? If that’s the case, and with what this doctor is saying, the “WWE only sidelined Bryan so he wouldn’t overshadow Roman” theories are only going to become more prevalent. I mean, no sign of brain damage is pretty incredible. And from what I understand, there’s no cure for CTE. Once you have it, you have it. It’s just all rather curious. He just happens to get cleared before the biggest show of the year, in a year when his contract is up. Not says I 100% believe this. But I certainly don’t dismiss it. I get what you're saying, but with the brand split, it doesn't strike me as plausible. They have had plenty of opportunity to keep Bryan and Roman apart, so if that was it, that doesn't really impress me as evidence of this plot. What I am curious about is, if his brain's not beaten up, then what was with the seizure? That's kinda scary if they don't have a diagnosis to explain that, in lieu of brain damage. That’s true. But there’s still the contract year part. If they didn’t clear him, they risked the biggest story in wrestling, happening in some other company. So it could be their hand was forced. And if you’re going to clear him, it might as well be before the biggest ehow of the year. Ultimately, what I believe is, even with the advancements in the studying of brain injuries, is we still don’t know a whole lot. And WWE was just being extra cautious. And that’s a good. I’d rather they be that, than negligent with the well being of their employees.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 23, 2018 19:14:43 GMT -5
When you couch it in sanctimony about "He has a family" and "Well, there's clearly a conspiracy afoot because the facts disagree with my perception"....no, it's not a good look. Oh, so I'm wrong and selfish for thinking that way? Put bluntly, your stance is "Three of the top doctors in their field are wrong, and I'm right, with zero evidence other than a vague feeling of a conspiracy". Selfish, I don't know, but unless you know something no one else does, yes, clearly factually incorrect.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 23, 2018 19:15:52 GMT -5
OK, if a guy who wrestled for 14 years has no evidence of brain damage, we need to seriously start investigating whatever new age shit he did for potential cures for Alzheimer's patients.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 19:17:41 GMT -5
Oh, so I'm wrong and selfish for thinking that way? Put bluntly, your stance is "Three of the top doctors in their field are wrong, and I'm right, with zero evidence other than a vague feeling of a conspiracy". Selfish, I don't know, but unless you know something no one else does, yes, clearly factually incorrect. I never said I was right. I said there has to be more to it than that. I still have some skepticism about it, okay? Get off my back about it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 23, 2018 19:18:34 GMT -5
Brie healed him with her love. In other words BRIE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE!
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Mar 23, 2018 19:21:16 GMT -5
Put bluntly, your stance is "Three of the top doctors in their field are wrong, and I'm right, with zero evidence other than a vague feeling of a conspiracy". Selfish, I don't know, but unless you know something no one else does, yes, clearly factually incorrect. I never said I was right. I said there has to be more to it than that. I still have some skepticism about it, okay? Get off my back about it. Again, your "skepticism" is couched in a moral judgement on him as "selfish" for doing what he loves, when there's no physical barrier to him doing said thing. And again, what "more" do you think there is to the situation? What's the gain for these three hugely regarded doctors to risk their licenses, reputations, and what I'm sure is crazy amounts of money.....for one wrestler?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 23, 2018 19:22:08 GMT -5
I would be fascinated to see your medical credentials, then. I'm not a medical doctor. But I still think there's more to it than that. If I'm the only one here that wished Bryan wouldn't go back into the ring, so be it. Sorry for actually worrying. It's cool to worry but the dude is medically healthy and has been proven to be There are so many current wrestlers out there that have gone through so much worse shit and by all accounts shouldn't be cleared to wrestle again that still do at risk to themselves. Daniel has done everything right to be given this second chance and everyone is saying he's good to go. So him coming back to me of course has that tinge of worry because he has to prove the doctors right and have a good career with no big setbacks, but they're giving him that ok, and that's good enough for me. Almost everyone working with him is also his friend and will work as safely with him as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 19:25:23 GMT -5
I never said I was right. I said there has to be more to it than that. I still have some skepticism about it, okay? Get off my back about it. Again, your "skepticism" is couched in a moral judgement on him as "selfish" for doing what he loves, when there's no physical barrier to him doing said thing. And again, what "more" do you think there is to the situation? What's the gain for these three hugely regarded doctors to risk their licenses, reputations, and what I'm sure is crazy amounts of money.....for one wrestler? I don't know. But that's how I think. Just leave me alone.
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