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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 22, 2018 12:39:53 GMT -5
This is the most fundamentally incorrect statement about the motion picture industry that I can imagine. WB execs would gladly dig up the bones of Siskel & Ebert and light them on fire in front of every single Rotten Tomatoes contributor if it meant they would have made even $50 million of profit on Justice League. The people making the movie care about critical response. The people funding the movie couldn't care less if they made The Apu Trilogy or Son-In-Law, they only care about how much money it makes them. Bingo. Do Paramount give a single solitary f*** that critics have fallen over themselves to take hot, steaming shits over all five Transformers movies? Of course not, because those movies have made literal billions of dollars. Crazy Lady points out that Batman v Superman did $900 million in theatres and sold a ton on home release. Great. But WB's investment demanded at least a billion, probably closer to the $1.4 billion that Avengers made, and the reason why it underperformed was because the word of mouth killed it. The casual audiences who make up the bulk of box office grosses were turned off by it. So when Snyder turned in a first edit of Justice League that doubled down so hard on what casual audiences hated about BVS that one exec called it "unwatchable" WB had no other option but try to protect their investment, and bringing in the guy who wrote and directed the first two Avengers movies was a no-brainer. Whedon's stock has fallen, but he's not a hack either. WB's mistake was not shitcanning Snyder sooner. After BVS's failure they should've pulled a Disney and gotten Whedon or somebody else in before shooting of Justice League started. They've been on damage control since, and the rebranding of the DCEU as Worlds of DC is the clearest indication yet that the penny finally dropped and they're distancing themselves from Snyder's stink.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jul 22, 2018 13:41:06 GMT -5
But was it only because of the reactions to his cut that they got Whedon? Because I thought it was because Snyder's daughter killed herself.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 22, 2018 13:49:36 GMT -5
But was it only because of the reactions to his cut that they got Whedon? Because I thought it was because Snyder's daughter killed herself. Snyder did walk away from the project because of the death of his daughter. That said, his rough cut was about 5 hours long and its doubtful his final cut would have resembled it much had he stayed on
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 22, 2018 13:50:57 GMT -5
But was it only because of the reactions to his cut that they got Whedon? Because I thought it was because Snyder's daughter killed herself. Whedon was brought on board in February to write the reshoots, which Snyder would've directed. Snyder's daughter died in March and he finally left the movie in May.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 13:50:57 GMT -5
Calling Snyder an auteur is giving him far more credit than he deserves.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 22, 2018 14:19:16 GMT -5
But was it only because of the reactions to his cut that they got Whedon? Because I thought it was because Snyder's daughter killed herself. Whedon was brought on board in February to write the reshoots, which Snyder would've directed. Snyder's daughter died in March and he finally left the movie in May. it was announced he left in May. there's been word WB got rid of him in January, and the tragedy of his daughter's suicide was used as a face saving excuse for why he was gone
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Jul 22, 2018 14:25:02 GMT -5
Zack maybe next time don't try to cram three movies into one.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 22, 2018 14:28:48 GMT -5
Whedon was brought on board in February to write the reshoots, which Snyder would've directed. Snyder's daughter died in March and he finally left the movie in May. it was announced he left in May. there's been word WB got rid of him in January, and the tragedy of his daughter's suicide was used as a face saving excuse for why he was gone True. WB weren't happy with Snyder's first edit, and they've done everything they can to move away from his vision. They've rebranded, announced they're concentrating more on solo movies, and Aquaman looks conspicuously lighter in tone than the first four movies. I can definitely believe it possible they dropped his ass before the last act of his edit even finished playing.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 22, 2018 14:35:45 GMT -5
Really how hard is it to look at Wonder Woman's critical and financial success and go "Hey, go with more of that" with the things it did right? It was true to the character, struck a perfect balance in tone between action, drama, and some comic relief sprinkled in, was well-shot and acted, and was generally an all-around good movie.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 22, 2018 14:37:47 GMT -5
Marvel - "Yeah......RELEASE THE SNYDER CUT!......lol"
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jul 22, 2018 14:48:29 GMT -5
Whedon was brought on board in February to write the reshoots, which Snyder would've directed. Snyder's daughter died in March and he finally left the movie in May. it was announced he left in May. there's been word WB got rid of him in January, and the tragedy of his daughter's suicide was used as a face saving excuse for why he was gone Like I said before, it's hard to make me lose sympathy when something like this happens, but when you got people using it to manipulate my feelings about a movie or director...
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jul 22, 2018 14:49:46 GMT -5
Really how hard is it to look at Wonder Woman's critical and financial success and go "Hey, go with more of that" with the things it did right? It was true to the character, struck a perfect balance in tone between action, drama, and some comic relief sprinkled in, was well-shot and acted, and was generally an all-around good movie. Unfortunately, and this is DC in a nutshell, the shadow of Batman looms over everything still. Here, I think what's happening is while it is true that WW was a success, they can't let go of The Dark Knight Mania from 10 years (!) ago. If I knew this would happen, I'd take a saga or so of more Schumacher films instead.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 22, 2018 14:55:44 GMT -5
I will admit I am not an expert on film when it comes to a different director doing post production and reshoots on a film that was essentially done. So can someone explain to me which scenes where Whedon's and Snyders? I noticed different scenes with Affleck in the suit and how tone wise it did look different from Snyder's vision. But was any of Snyder's vision left in the film in general or was it essentially Whedon's in the end? According to reports, everything featuring Superman was reshot, with just one line surviving from Snyder's footage. The Russian family in the third act was a Whedon creation, and the Bruce/Diana sexual tension subplot was added to give Diana more screen time after Wonder Woman's success. About 75% of the humour is Whedon's, too. More detailed info is here: screenrant.com/justice-league-movie-reshoot-changes-explained-snyder-whedon/I actually saw a thing that said that Snyder actually did add the Russian Family. and just from Whedon and Snyder's other movies it's pretty damn obvious who shot what... as well as Superman's funky mouth.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 22, 2018 15:01:16 GMT -5
Had to skim through Crazy Lady's text to read the new posts and just happened to see this quote of hers "They did believe Snyder's JL cut would have been financially successful but they were afraid it will be polarizing in the critics' eyes too." This is the most fundamentally incorrect statement about the motion picture industry that I can imagine. WB execs would gladly dig up the bones of Siskel & Ebert and light them on fire in front of every single Rotten Tomatoes contributor if it meant they would have made even $50 million of profit on Justice League. The people making the movie care about critical response. The people funding the movie couldn't care less if they made The Apu Trilogy or Son-In-Law, they only care about how much money it makes them. It would be one thing if these folk were just like "I like Snyder's films, it would be cool to see what he had in mind, etc." Hell, I'm still waiting for the real cut of The Magnificent Ambersons. But the heights their smug stupidity rises to makes me loathe them something fierce. This too. Suicide Squad got torn apart by critics. But it made them a shitload of money which is why there are like 20 Harley movies in the works.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 22, 2018 15:09:48 GMT -5
it was announced he left in May. there's been word WB got rid of him in January, and the tragedy of his daughter's suicide was used as a face saving excuse for why he was gone True. WB weren't happy with Snyder's first edit, and they've done everything they can to move away from his vision. They've rebranded, announced they're concentrating more on solo movies, and Aquaman looks conspicuously lighter in tone than the first four movies. I can definitely believe it possible they dropped his ass before the last act of his edit even finished playing. Josh Dickey, A reporter that was leaving the entertainment industry wnet into "DGAF" mode and said something along the lines of yeah he was flat out fired because multiple people saw his work cut and called it literally unwatchable. Combined with how much Salt Snyder's been throwing at Whedon kinda make it 100% look like this happened. (2 that come to mind are) Liking a tweet that said Whedon left Batgirl. Making a tweet pretty clearly directed at Whedon and Superman's cg mouth in JL. If Whedon replaced him as willingly as it was stated to be there is no reason to openly take shots at him. Not to mention one of Snyder's biggest supporters was ousted from WB a few months earlier.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 22, 2018 15:13:56 GMT -5
Oh Whedon's gone from the Batgirl project?
Good. I dreaded what he would've turned her into.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 22, 2018 15:17:47 GMT -5
True. WB weren't happy with Snyder's first edit, and they've done everything they can to move away from his vision. They've rebranded, announced they're concentrating more on solo movies, and Aquaman looks conspicuously lighter in tone than the first four movies. I can definitely believe it possible they dropped his ass before the last act of his edit even finished playing. Josh Dickey, A reporter that was leaving the entertainment industry wnet into "DGAF" mode and said something along the lines of yeah he was flat out fired because multiple people saw his work cut and called it literally unwatchable. Combined with how much Salt Snyder's been throwing at Whedon kinda make it 100% look like this happened. (2 that come to mind are) Liking a tweet that said Whedon left Batgirl. Making a tweet pretty clearly directed at Whedon and Superman's cg mouth in JL. If Whedon replaced him as willingly as it was stated to be there is no reason to openly take shots at him. Not to mention one of Snyder's biggest supporters was ousted from WB a few months earlier. All stacks up. The SnyderCutters do have some evidence that Snyder is low-key behind them, screencaps of him liking IG posts supporting their "movement." Safe to say that if he is that far on the outs with WB and is willing to snipe Whedon like that, there's not a chance in hell WB are sinking a cent more into Justice League. If anything, it's likely the same situation as Disney have had with Solo - too much money invested to simply leave it in a vault, but not enough upside to back it 100%, so just patch it up as much as possible, try to make some money off it, and then forget about the whole damn mess.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 22, 2018 15:53:38 GMT -5
*insert FryShocked.gif*
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 22, 2018 15:56:27 GMT -5
I mean... who doesn't think that the Snydercut diehards are a minority?
alos " If there was a full Whedon cut of the movie instead of the full Snyder cut, sure.” I agree with "Kevin" here.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 22, 2018 16:10:37 GMT -5
I mean... who doesn't think that the Snydercut diehards are a minority? Anybody who's ever tweeted #ReleaseTheSnyderCut with sincerity, presumably. Personally, I cannot wait to see Shazam and Aquaman. They both look - brace yourself - fun.
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